Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Harley Quinn]

The problem is Math's meta doesn't firmly match

either

alignment here. Regardless of his role pm, I believe he is tilted off the face of the Earth.

Overall, I still think he's scum by meta for things I can elaborate later or this evening depending on dental appointment timings.

That’s true I don’t think I’ve ever seen quite this level of misrepping by him before but I’ve only played two games with him where we were different alignments. One - an irregular game - where he was scum and me town and WF where he was town and me scum.

Yes, his reaction to Implosion’s mistake or whatever was way over the top.

[Titus]

The problem is Math's meta doesn't firmly match

either

alignment here. Regardless of his role pm, I believe he is tilted off the face of the Earth.

Overall, I still think he's scum by meta for things I can elaborate later or this evening depending on dental appointment timings.

That’s true I don’t think I’ve ever seen quite this level of misrepping by him before but I’ve only played two games with him where we were different alignments. One - an irregular game - where he was scum and me town and WF where he was town and me scum.

Yes, his reaction to Implosion’s mistake or whatever was way over the top.

It's not the mistepping. It's the thought patterns entirely. They're

aimless

for him.

[Harley Quinn]

@hq i get that you think town mb is too stubborn to capitulate but like ive gotten him to give up before:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600

That's a first I've heard of it. Which read and when?

@Ari can you link/quote those posts?

Actually Math has actually never read on actual gameplay. He only has read me off what he thinks is my meta.

[Enchant]

Can we cut debate and hammer?

[Aristeia]

@hq i get that you think town mb is too stubborn to capitulate but like ive gotten him to give up before:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600

That's a first I've heard of it. Which read and when?

he tried to kill me at mylo and i ate'd him until he broke.

[Harley Quinn]

The problem is Math's meta doesn't firmly match

either

alignment here. Regardless of his role pm, I believe he is tilted off the face of the Earth.

Overall, I still think he's scum by meta for things I can elaborate later or this evening depending on dental appointment timings.

That’s true I don’t think I’ve ever seen quite this level of misrepping by him before but I’ve only played two games with him where we were different alignments. One - an irregular game - where he was scum and me town and WF where he was town and me scum.

Yes, his reaction to Implosion’s mistake or whatever was way over the top.

It's not the mistepping. It's the thought patterns entirely. They're

aimless

for him.

Yeah, so you think the excessive being tilted is a distraction to make us forget about all that?

[Harley Quinn]

Can we cut debate and hammer?

We still have 3 days, why the rush?

[Aristeia]

@hq i get that you think town mb is too stubborn to capitulate but like ive gotten him to give up before:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600

That's a first I've heard of it. Which read and when?

@Ari can you link/quote those posts?

Actually Math has actually never read on actual gameplay. He only has read me off what he thinks is my meta.

its like 200+ posts of fighting

[Ausuka]

I'm suspicious about Dwlee's progression on HEM. They say in post 480 they're voting HEM to sheep Ari. It definitely comes across as a weak read, saying they were basically just voting HEM because Ari said so until they were able to put more effort into sorting. This is mostly fair but some of their later posts rub me the wrong way with this in mind - particularly this post,

MathBlade and HEM probably are SvS

Math just ignored my response to his terrible read on me

The preflip associative here doesn't feel natural imo. Their read on HEM doesn't seem to have advanced - at least, they haven't shown any visible effort to sort HEM in thread, and considering HEM has been the largest wagon for most of the game I'd expect them to talk about their read more if it had. So tying Mathblade and HEM together as a 'probable' scumteam feels too confident from Dwlee here, if that makes sense.

Math is scum 100%

Similarly with this, I understand how the Dwlee math read could come from town but like, the 100% thing seems way too far, much worse than the whole 'I really feel Dwlee is scum' thing Math did.

You are so tunneled

Eh, I don't think I am, I think there's a decent chance you're town since I have low confidence in my reads here, I just consistently scumread your posts

[Titus]

Yeah, so you think the excessive being tilted is a distraction to make us forget about all that?

No. Math is genuinely tilted. Doing the whole "it's pointless" gets him nowhere and he's fully capable of faking reads.

As town or scum, he usually has a visible agenda. When he's town with ignored reads, he doubles down and starts FoSing the townblock and looking for who he feels is agency captured ala Steven's Universe. He doesn't take prisoners.

So initial impression is case closed, he's scum.

However, he's clearly not pushing a scum agenda as that gives me pause a bit. He's not seeking the townblock to turn on each other (which ironically I also expect of town!Math). There's no hint of his long term play.

Overall, I'm strongly leaning scum and his reads are wifom. There's just something missing as a whole.

[Enchant]

Can we cut debate and hammer?

We still have 3 days, why the rush?

That's not rush in any case, but i think mafia are more likely to be early voted, due DISTANCING, and after 7-10 days of bunnyhopping someone else dies instead.

It's annoying.

[Titus]

The big tie breaker is his "compromise" on HEM.

[Harley Quinn]

@hq i get that you think town mb is too stubborn to capitulate but like ive gotten him to give up before:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600

That's a first I've heard of it. Which read and when?

@Ari can you link/quote those posts?

Actually Math has actually never read on actual gameplay. He only has read me off what he thinks is my meta.

its like 200+ posts of fighting

Town!Math has butchered my meta so him butchering it is nai in itself. He wrongly sr me solely based off of meta in Pokemon and also wrongly tr me - again, also based off of meta in WF, so it’s extremely difficult for me to see him give a confident metaread on me after getting it wrong - every single time. I also referenced that tm game where he wrongly pressured Titus that I was scum - you guessed it - based on meta. Fact is, only time Math has ever read me correctly was when he had no idea who my main was, probably because he couldn’t use meta to sort me.

[Ausuka]

I think Ausuka is town and wrong.

I mean I could be wrong here but like unless someone refutes my reasoning convincingly or Dwlee does something to change my mind I'm going to keep believing in it

[MathBlade]

I think Ausuka is town and wrong.

I mean I could be wrong here but like unless someone refutes my reasoning convincingly or Dwlee does something to change my mind I'm going to keep believing in it

Agreed

Dwlee has yet to ask a question to form a read which is what the timer was for

[Harley Quinn]

Yeah, so you think the excessive being tilted is a distraction to make us forget about all that?

No. Math is genuinely tilted. Doing the whole "it's pointless" gets him nowhere and he's fully capable of faking reads.

As town or scum, he usually has a visible agenda. When he's town with ignored reads, he doubles down and starts FoSing the townblock and looking for who he feels is agency captured ala Steven's Universe. He doesn't take prisoners.

So initial impression is case closed, he's scum.

However, he's clearly not pushing a scum agenda as that gives me pause a bit. He's not seeking the townblock to turn on each other (which ironically I also expect of town!Math). There's no hint of his long term play.

Overall, I'm strongly leaning scum and his reads are wifom. There's just something missing as a whole.

I know you’ve explained this many many times but can you please explain agency capture for me again?

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we cut debate and hammer?

We still have 3 days, why the rush?

That's not rush in any case, but i think mafia are more likely to be early voted, due DISTANCING, and after 7-10 days of bunnyhopping someone else dies instead.

It's annoying.

Can you do me a favor and read the VCs?

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=26193

Dwlee town

Count the questions

[Enchant]

Can we cut debate and hammer?

We still have 3 days, why the rush?

That's not rush in any case, but i think mafia are more likely to be early voted, due DISTANCING, and after 7-10 days of bunnyhopping someone else dies instead.

It's annoying.

Can you do me a favor and read the VCs?

I did.

Aris (not seriously probably)>HAM and then counterwagons Dwlee99+Math.

Therefore, Aris is maf, but you all have affection to anime, so let's kill HAM instwad.

[Titus]

Yeah, so you think the excessive being tilted is a distraction to make us forget about all that?

No. Math is genuinely tilted. Doing the whole "it's pointless" gets him nowhere and he's fully capable of faking reads.

As town or scum, he usually has a visible agenda. When he's town with ignored reads, he doubles down and starts FoSing the townblock and looking for who he feels is agency captured ala Steven's Universe. He doesn't take prisoners.

So initial impression is case closed, he's scum.

However, he's clearly not pushing a scum agenda as that gives me pause a bit. He's not seeking the townblock to turn on each other (which ironically I also expect of town!Math). There's no hint of his long term play.

Overall, I'm strongly leaning scum and his reads are wifom. There's just something missing as a whole.

I know you’ve explained this many many times but can you please explain agency capture for me again?

Town tricked into working for scum.

[Harley Quinn]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=26193

Dwlee town

Count the questions

UNVOTE:

for now. Ftr I still strongly sr you but I did a metadive and asking lots of questions is definitely a towntell for Dwlee.

[Harley Quinn]

Can we cut debate and hammer?

We still have 3 days, why the rush?

That's not rush in any case, but i think mafia are more likely to be early voted, due DISTANCING, and after 7-10 days of bunnyhopping someone else dies instead.

It's annoying.

Can you do me a favor and read the VCs?

I did.

Aris (not seriously probably)>HAM and then counterwagons Dwlee99+Math.

Therefore, Aris is maf, but you all have affection to anime, so let's kill HAM instwad.

This made me lol like people wouldn’t lim a slot because anime.

[Ausuka]

Examples: His push on Dwlee has no substance behind it. He sr Gamma for “not having found town!him yet”, eventhough Gamma played identically in Koba’s mini normal where they were both town. He sr Ausuka for being “nice about maths” or something. When is being nice ever a valid scumtell and especially for Ausuka who - when is she not nice? His progression on STD went from STD lockscum to STD locktown in pretty much the blink of an eye. He posted that if ANY not ALL of Dwlee, Titus, Gamma flip scum, he would then put me or Implosive in hid PoE. However, I am now extremely confident all 3 are town.

And yes, his entire progression on HEM is not what I’ve experienced with town!Math ever. He initially called HEM his top townread but voted HEM under pressure from Aristelia. Town!Math would never allow his arm to be twisted like that to vote a genuine top tr like that. Town!Math is bullheaded and obstinate to a fault. He is also one of the most anti-survivalistic players as town and I don’t recall Math ever being willing to policy anyone. Sometimes town!Math actually gets it right like in Koba’s mini normal and other times very wrong as in White Flag but there is always substance to his reads no matter how outlandish it looks to others. ISO both games to contast them with this one. Town!Math overflows with conviction and is also consistent with his reads. Here, he seems to change his reads on a dime without rhyme or reason. Town!Math doesn’t change his reads easily and definitely never under pressure.

Also he switched his srs on both Ausuka and Ari when they either voted the way he wanted or tr him. He gave me shit for initially not voting but had no issue with bella not voting, eventhough I had the exact same reason for having not voted as she had.

He had STD and Roden as top trs but is now takinv that at least partially back with STD. He did something similar with Gamma. He referred to them both as T/T but now he’s suddenly scum because he couldn’t find town!him early enough.

There are just so many reasons why Math is scum here.

This post helped me see things a bit clearer and it makes me feel better about HQ, having never played with Mathblade before a lot of meta stuff went over my head so I appreciate this clears that up a little bit.

I do like some of the points here. Obviously there's the point about niceness which I already brought up - I don't think the line of questioning I had there is going to go anywhere so I'm left with my original feeling of 'it doesn't seem like a real thought.' it's fair to say people can often be aggro during games but I think being nice to someone who wished you good luck in your exam is fairly obviously NAI?

I will make a mental note to check Math's hem progression when I finish catching up, I feel like I've read both that it's a policy lynch of sorts and that he was pushed into it?

Pedit: Don't underestimate anime

[Enchant]

You are enchanted by Aris, and can't see devil.

[Dwlee99]

Math's example of town me spamming questions is almost a year old

Look at KTANE, my playstyle has changed especially wrt mobile vs computer and how much time I spend playing. I'm pretty much exclusively mobile posting the past couple of weeks and have also spent less time than in the past lately