Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

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(Oh and also because this unvote should piss off enchant and that brings me some small amount of joy)

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It makes it really unappealing when you’re taking things literal versus their implied meaning

If Dwlee had asked “is the sky blue” that clearly has no hunting value so it’s no questions

C’mon dude

It’s you’re being legalistic to avoid the point

I could continue down this argument but there is literally no point in doing so.

[MathBlade]

It makes it really unappealing when you’re taking things literal versus their implied meaning

If Dwlee had asked “is the sky blue” that clearly has no hunting value so it’s no questions

C’mon dude

It’s you’re being legalistic to avoid the point

I could continue down this argument but there is literally no point in doing so.

Oh no there is

You’re just trying to make me look bad here.

Gamma said they got my point

You’re being insufferable for the purpose of being so

[Aristeia]

look at hems iso and maths iso

they both mutually townread each other

math is incredibly adamant about defending hem and i twisted his arm to vote hem because regardless of how much he wants to defend hem he knows elimming hem is better than elimming himself

hem has not at all defended math and is already angling to maybe vote for him.

if this is T/S i think hem is much likelier to be S than mathblade is.

[Aristeia]

uhhh.. im not disinterested in my own death. maybe before my surgery because i didn't know how long I'll be knocked out for and i didn't have the focus to fight my death (+ i didn't really want to hold the game, so IMO if d1 will flip town, there's no one better). but now im confident i can feel better and actually play this game soon. i'm more pointing out that scum would have switched after my claim because it's more advantageous for them to run up another slot and get another claim. it's basic d1 scum strat. so im kinda reconsidering if i'm still right that there's scum in my wagon. i could see that there's at least one so that the option doesn't fade away.

this is just lamist that says nothing

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Right now, here's my overall feelings in the game.

There is good scum equity in HEM and Enchant. On HEM, I have some trepidation, but less than I do in a usual d1 scumread by a wide margin. On Enchant I have literally no trepidation and I'd happily yeet them at a moment's notice tbh, "proper" play be damned.

I am over time convincingly seeing scum equity in MathBlade, mostly as a result of HQ's points but also some of Titus's.

I think Aristeia, HQ, Gamma, STD, Titus are all simply town right now. I think Wallflower and Roden feel pretty town, less than the first group. Ausuka maybe is somewhere between those two groups. I am tending to lean more town on Dwlee at this exact moment because their belligerence feels unmotivated, I think the combination of their just sort of refusing to play the way people want them to and the early "selfish" reads (i.e. the "fmpov this is town" thing and one other) paint a picture of town who just genuinely doesn't have all that much investment in how they're perceived.

That leaves I think just Bellaphant who is probably the only player I have at null right now.

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I'm going to simply try not engaging with anything Math says for a while because I think I can be more productive in this game that way.

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look at hems iso and maths iso

they both mutually townread each other

math is incredibly adamant about defending hem and i twisted his arm to vote hem because regardless of how much he wants to defend hem he knows elimming hem is better than elimming himself

hem has not at all defended math and is already angling to maybe vote for him.

if this is T/S i think hem is much likelier to be S than mathblade is.

The way that MathBlade wound up voting HEM was really weird. Twisting his arm is kind of accurate but it also felt very... concessional. HEM never defended math per se but did

hard

townread him early. I'm just not sure I understand Math-town's motivation for that vote, similar to what Titus has said, why should Math town concede it at all? If he's this very belligerent, uncompromising player, shouldn't he not be willing to vote a townread like 3 or 4 days before deadline?

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I kind of hate how much this game has become so harshly centralized on "here's deep analysis on what happens if HEM is scum or Math is scum or they're both scum". I do scumread both of those slots right now but it still feels like, sort of a lot of rhetorical eggs in one or two baskets.

But alas.

Yeah, you did have to twist Math's arm to vote HEM... but he did vote HEM. Actions speak louder, etc.

To be clear at this moment I'm really undecided on which of the two is the better lim/which one is likelier to be the scum if exactly one of them is scum, just trying to reason it out.

[Aristeia]

if hem is town and math is scum. there is no reason for him to WK hem as loudly as he did.

it antagonizes the rest of the player pool and makes himself a target. Mathblade!scum likely just takes the mislim opp. If anyone has like an example of mathblade!scum doing this kind of white knighting, I would like to see it.


yes he did vote hem, but so what? he never changed his read on HEM. he did it because I made him do it.

HEM is actively angling in thread to lay the groundwork for a readflip into voting mathblade, thats thought driven and agenda based decision thats strategic.

Mathblade was just fed up with everyone telling him hes wrong, thats an emotionally driven decision based on wanting to show us that we r wrong and he is right.

[Aristeia]

mathblade tried pretty hard to derail the hem wagon he screamed, he was rude, he flung weird moonlogic everywhere - thats a sign of geniune belief imo and makes very little sense for scum!blade to do for town!hem

has hem done anything to derail the mathblade wagon?

[Wallflower]

I kind of hate how much this game has become so harshly centralized on "here's deep analysis on what happens if HEM is scum or Math is scum or they're both scum". I do scumread both of those slots right now but it still feels like, sort of a lot of rhetorical eggs in one or two baskets.

But alas.

Yeah, you did have to twist Math's arm to vote HEM... but he did vote HEM. Actions speak louder, etc.

To be clear at this moment I'm really undecided on which of the two is the better lim/which one is likelier to be the scum if exactly one of them is scum, just trying to reason it out.

Yeah I’m hoping to get some time to read over the slots and work this out. I agree with Ari that HEM’s check in was not at all inspiring but I disagree with assuming that Mathblade as scum wouldn’t try something new (such as WKing).

[Wallflower]

mathblade tried pretty hard to derail the hem wagon he screamed, he was rude, he flung weird moonlogic everywhere - thats a sign of geniune belief imo and makes very little sense for scum!blade to do for town!hem

has hem done anything to derail the mathblade wagon?

Tbf I think Mathblade is aware that people often don’t listen to him

[Aristeia]

yes thats why him claiming that i have 100% read rate on him and saying that if i think hes scum i must be scum is much more likely from town him.

cuz it doesnt help him flip me - he is hoping that people see him flip town and use that to flip me. i find it plausible as a desperation play from town!him.

[Titus]

Same thing in 2272 looks like, I literally just don't ask as many questions as I used to

As many I would buy

You’re at 0 unless I missed one

Math, would you join me on Wallflower?

If you determined an anti-lim pool of five or six players without regard to time, popularity, or mechanics, who would it be?

[MathBlade]

Wallflower I would need to see a case about tbh.

I really think Dwlee or HQ or Implosion are more likely to hit scum

But I don’t have a hard tr on Wallflower

[MathBlade]

And I have a work emergency so I would rather not say that off the top of my head entirely but Ari would kinda be it

I know there’s others in the game but my brain is failing

[Gamma Emerald]

look at hems iso and maths iso

they both mutually townread each other

math is incredibly adamant about defending hem and i twisted his arm to vote hem because regardless of how much he wants to defend hem he knows elimming hem is better than elimming himself

hem has not at all defended math and is already angling to maybe vote for him.

if this is T/S i think hem is much likelier to be S than mathblade is.

This tracks tbh, scum!Math wouldn’t need much twisting to vote town!HEM

[Gamma Emerald]

mathblade tried pretty hard to derail the hem wagon he screamed, he was rude, he flung weird moonlogic everywhere - thats a sign of geniune belief imo and makes very little sense for scum!blade to do for town!hem

has hem done anything to derail the mathblade wagon?

HEM has been out of commission

[Gamma Emerald]

Same thing in 2272 looks like, I literally just don't ask as many questions as I used to

As many I would buy

You’re at 0 unless I missed one

Math, would you join me on Wallflower?

If you determined an anti-lim pool of five or six players without regard to time, popularity, or mechanics, who would it be?

Why is Wallflower scum? I feel like they’ve been pretty decent.

[Aristeia]

mathblade tried pretty hard to derail the hem wagon he screamed, he was rude, he flung weird moonlogic everywhere - thats a sign of geniune belief imo and makes very little sense for scum!blade to do for town!hem

has hem done anything to derail the mathblade wagon?

HEM has been out of commission

yes but read his iso

he doesnt really defend mathblade even when he is here

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee, you’re both arguing that you are asking lots of questions here, and that this is not your towngame anymore. Why both of these?

I think I used to ask more questions than I do now

Math saying I asked no questions this game is just blatantly false though

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw Titus, what does Housefly mean when you used it?

[Titus]

Btw Titus, what does Housefly mean when you used it?

Housefly? I don't recall this. Context?

[Titus]

Same thing in 2272 looks like, I literally just don't ask as many questions as I used to

As many I would buy

You’re at 0 unless I missed one

Math, would you join me on Wallflower?

If you determined an anti-lim pool of five or six players without regard to time, popularity, or mechanics, who would it be?

Why is Wallflower scum? I feel like they’ve been pretty decent.

I don't get the feel they're solving anything. They feel more IIoA to me. Ymmv