Newbie 2096 | Nathan For You | Endgame

[humaneatingmonkey]

Vote Count 3.03

Not Voting (5):

Somnus, BlueBloodedToffee, Bellaphant, Rad, Corwinoid

With 5 alive, it's 3 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 3 is June 23, 20:10 GMT+8

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[Rad]

Well, whiskey did say this in 1117

"Earlier I said if they flip red then I would turbo elim Bella next and I still stand by that."

So maybe he would still stand by that. I've taken note.

It still makes sense to want more info from Bella here so I'm not sure why you're trying to push me into just having faith in whiskeys read and not trying to figure this out for myself. It's whiskeys read convenient for you?

[Bellaphant]

It's easy for me to say that scum Bella just hammers scum bbt here but actually that's optimal play - all I needed to say was I reread overnight, rad is my top town read, drop that hammer, nk rad and then vote somnus tomorrow.

Like, that's just optimal.

[Corwinoid]

Bella, if scum!BBT, why is town!Bella still alive? This has been troubling me.

[Rad]

So we have 3 wifom defenses right now between me, Bella, and somnus. How about you Corwin. What does scum!Corwin do in d3 when he sees my vote on bbt and how is it different than the supposed town!corwin play that happened?

[Rad]

Bella, if scum!BBT, why is town!Bella still alive? This has been troubling me.

I've thought through this earlier but I'll wait for Bella to answer.

[Corwinoid]

So we have 3 wifom defenses right now between me, Bella, and somnus. How about you Corwin. What does scum!Corwin do in d3 when he sees my vote on bbt and how is it different than the supposed town!corwin play that happened?

Wait to hammer and not provide exclusions? At least, I'd hope... I've never drawn scum *sad trombone noises*

[Bellaphant]

Pocketing?

Nah I'd expect scum!bbt to be bussed here and for me to be left in lylo with someone who 'pushed' bbt, me with all the 'links_ to him and havw town make the wrong choice

[Rad]

So we have 3 wifom defenses right now between me, Bella, and somnus. How about you Corwin. What does scum!Corwin do in d3 when he sees my vote on bbt and how is it different than the supposed town!corwin play that happened?

Wait to hammer and not provide exclusions? At least, I'd hope... I've never drawn scum *sad trombone noises*

Hmm, first time newbie scum!Corwin probably doesn't bus his scum partner that easily. He might not realize he should wait for somnus to double hammer. You having never played scum before actually voids what I said in 1201. Holy shit I've thought you were an SE this whole time, but you replaced mq. derrrrr fuck

[Corwinoid]

Holy shit I've thought you were an SE this whole time

I'll take that as a compliment, not as a mistake.

[Bellaphant]

In fact, whiskey literally said it in the post rad quotes. So. Like, the answer is...two posts above your question

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Bella, I need your help.

I want to elim Corwin Today because I think that gives us the best shot of hitting scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

My vote on BBT is safe because if BBT is town, town loses and we deserved to lose. My vote on anyone else would be unsafe because no one is more scum read than BBT from our confirmed dead town.

This is not town thinking

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Not massively.

I think the scum team has at least one of them it in. I'm not convinced sonnusnl doesn't just vote bbt here anyway.

I thought about this as a possible Rad/Corwin team.

Just banking on Somnus not giving a fuck and voting me regardless. But I think if it's both of them they probably just wait it out?

[Bellaphant]

It's not both of them. I think the easiest explanation of somnus is that they are town?

The more I think about rads vote...like, we don't 'deserve' to lose if bbt is scum, we lost our pr early and it's been a bit of a weird game. Being willing to risk the game feels very opposite to somnus' response.

[Bellaphant]

1126 and then 1128 worry me, more about corwin though. Like...that's not even a good question, Ans it's literally just been answered, and the answer is also obvious?

I don't think corwin has asked me anything that's not about you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So, yeah, this was a gamble move. I'm town, so if you wanna think I deserve to lose for it, fine man. For me, it was a calculated gamble. Every dead town had a scum read on you. Maybe Spartan's dropped a bit by end of d1, but everyone else, strong scum read.

Again, dead town =/= correct reads. Pretty sure they all scum read Cheap top, no? Where does your logic apply there?

Whiskey might even have pushed you d2 if I was less openly reluctant.

I mean, this just isn't true. You literally absolved yourself of all responsibility at D2 end and said you'll do whatever Whiskey wants you to. So, if he had wanted to elim me, he could have.

YOLO my ass if you want BBT, if scum!somnus is paying attention to town!BBT voting for town!Rad, we lose. And for what? Because you didn't like my play? How was it even scummy? Risky sure, but scummy? Dude if I was scum this game and got this far, I would have sat back, relaxed, and just waited for that sweet hammer vote to present itself.

We lose because if you're town you decided to go completely reckless for literally no reason and so you deserve to lose this game for that bullshit. That was insane, and if it is Corwin/Somnus, I'll be letting you know post game. If you're scum, I respect the play.

[Bellaphant]

Actually it might be both of them. Sorry, it's too hot to think

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Just a quick comment and you can take it or leave it: I’m the guy who in eLo as scum subscribes to receive e-mail alerts on the gamethread every time there’s a new post, and will sleep with my phone by my ear with the volume turned all the way up so I don’t miss a chance to quick-hammer. If I’m scum and BBT is town, this game is already over.

This is cute. Might have been needed in the old days when scum didn't have daytalk, but yeah, absolutely not a thing now. Real cute though.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Whiskey would have auto-elimmed Bella if scum!BBT, but here you're suggesting you'd work with her to think through this. Which is it mate, do you trust the reads of dead people or are you latching on to the most convenient living town to distance yourself from having to make input or take responsibility?

I think this is the first time you have used 'mate' this entire game? Am I wrong?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Good to know about the alerts somnus.

Hahahaha. He just buys this at face value? Come on, now.

[Bellaphant]

...I totally believe somnus has alarms set tho

[Rad]

Whiskey might even have pushed you d2 if I was less openly reluctant.

I mean, this just isn't true. You literally absolved yourself of all responsibility at D2 end and said you'll do whatever Whiskey wants you to. So, if he had wanted to elim me, he could have.

see the 2 bolded underlined points

What do you think Rad? If you're gonna make me a double voter I want your input.

I just can't read cheap. He says a lot, gives a lot of reads, but I don't get a whole lot from it. I don't feel he progresses any threads or creates any interesting new ones. I clicked with his emotion from the vasex wagon but other than that, I dunno, null read. I think the way I described that should be a scum read but I'm not confident in that conclusion.

He's like the opposite of bbt. I feel like bbt does all the stuff that cheap is not doing. Stirs things up, constant pressure, not afraid to jump on wagons or create new one.

Scum!bbt has sold me on the illusion of town effort. Scum!cheap is making me wonder if he's town. Town!bbt feels like town that has a more aggressive and angering style, town!cheap would be a great confirmed town iso.

I see scum in somnus. I see scum in Corwin. I'm up for whatever you are whiskey. I think taking bbt out here is problematic for bbt somnus scum team, and losing town!bbt, but if I'm the only one who thinks that's possible, probably not worth worrying about.

I’m pretty much in lockstep with you here. I know exactly what you mean about BBT’s level of involvement and how that is making your read. I tend to agree with you too. I’ve said as much throughout the game irt effort and content and stuff like that. I have been SR Cheapside mildly all game and it hasn’t really gone away. I think the reasons for a BBT SR ~exist which makes reading them harder for me. It also makes them a good/safe vote for scum to make so I’m considering that too.

If you don’t want BBT then Cheapside is good for me.

Their arguments, particularly irt Bella, seem to be coming in bad faith.

[Bellaphant]

Hmm VCa time?

Rad (3) - green, green, ?
Counter, bbt - green, .

Spartan - green, ? ?
Counter bbt - green, green,

Vasex ?, ? ? Green, ?
Counter bbt - green, ?

Somnus - ? ? ?

Cheap green, ? ? ?

Well, that hasn't helped.

[Rad]

Does anyone disagree that BBT was dead town's biggest scum read?