Newbie 2096 | Nathan For You | Endgame

[Somnus]

I know it's my vote, but I should probably make sure Bella is ok with me doing so as well.

[Bellaphant]

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Somnus - Rad
Rad - Corwin
Rad - BlueBlood
Corwin - BlueBlood

[Bellaphant]

Oh yeah, I am so paranoid of rad laughing at me in the scum thread.

[Bellaphant]

A lot of logic and reason points to bbt being today's vote. Four things stop me:

Rads earlier shifting read on me
Rads reluctance to vote corwin earlier when it should have been fine from their pov
The fact that rad actually outweighs bbt in My choices!
The fact that bbt had similar thoughts to me earlier.

But none of these are conclusive. Also, if somnus is scum, then...well done I guess!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Somnus is a decent scum player.

Check his previous games.

[Somnus]

Then this "decent scum player" didn't give enough of a shit to bother to coordinate and show up with Rad to hammer you and end what was an absolutely miserable game on Days 1 and 2.

[Bellaphant]

I have, I read...three of them? I was right 2/3.

You are also a pretty decent scum player, love.

[Bellaphant]

I want rad to explain why they didn't want to vote corwin a bit ago, when I clearly did?

[Somnus]

There's at least 3 people I know of who if they're reading this game, are probably screaming how ridiculously obvious it is that I'm town in this game. Maybe a couple of them will chime in post-game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I have, I read...three of them? I was right 2/3.

You are also a pretty decent scum player, love.

Hi.

You know how when I'm town I get scum read and when I'm scum I get town read?

Which of these games do you think that is?

[Rad]

If you clear rad corwin and we vote bbt out, town just wins. You risk rad corwin team with this clear and rad somnus with bbt vote. It's actually a game finishing town win if we vote bbt after clear. If we don't clear me and go into d4 with bbt flip, you have to choose between me and corwin. So you would be making that choice here with this clear instead of d4.

Understandable to hesitate here.

[Rad]

I want rad to explain why they didn't want to vote corwin a bit ago, when I clearly did?

Sure give me a few min to get to my comp.

[Somnus]

I have two reasons why BlueBlood should always be the vote here today over Corwin:

1. The BlueBlood slot or my slot probably should have been sorted Day 1. There is no excuse that neither was sorted Day 2. None.
2. No offense to Bella whatsoever, but I'm skeptical that she'd be willing to vote for BlueBlood in a 3P eLo. Maybe not so much now, but up until basically today, yes.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I could have sorted your slot, but I unvoted.

That seems silly upon reflection and I shall never unvote an L-1 wagon again.

[Rad]

I want rad to explain why they didn't want to vote corwin a bit ago, when I clearly did?

I'm not voting corwin over bbt. You can try to get somnus to play along. I think bbt Bella is totally a realistic threat here. I also personally know that somnus corwin is the only potential non-bbt team, and have already concluded that that pairing would have to have failed a win move over and over.

Bella this was my explanation. Is it not sufficient? BBT Bella was still a possibility (and a more realistic possibility for me than somnus corwin with dead whiskey's BBT/Bella thoughts in the back of my mind, and somnus hammer blunder). I'm basing my moves on dead town's reads and any logic info that presents itself. BBT is dead town's scum read and that was my play. I considered you potential scum right up until the very moment you were soft cleared for me in 1324. I actually don't know why or how you read as town this game, if I'm honest. I think it's because our styles are polar opposites that I just got a scum read from you all game.

[Rad]

Sorry not 1324, that was me confirming bbt scum.

I considered bella/BBT up until 1408

[Rad]

And right before that, see, I still considered you a threat:

Bella please pop in and say hello so we can town confirm you. Or pop in and hammer me with bbt so we can end this lol

I was only interested in voting for BBT before enough clears happened that I started feeling confident in the BBT/Corwin read. Also once I noticed somnus was 100% dead town's town read, I started having confidence in him not being scum. I think I noticed that right after I researched his 4 minute hammer but I can't remember exactly.

[Somnus]

@Bella

My play gained town winning knowledge for me but not you. That's a losing move that I didn't realize when I was making it. I was just seeing town clears happening which should be objectively good for town right? Well it cleared into a scenario where rad is the most unknown to 1 of the remaining towns and gives both scum a way to show why they believe in scum!rad. Bbt didn't capitalize on that so that should be a huge red flag but corwin did have a reply to somnus that suggested he realized it. Not sure if he realized before or after somnus question but it's easy for him to suggest he did. I think the play here even if you flip bbt red today is nk somnus and let corwin push you to lim me d4. I'll put together a corwin scum case if we reach that point but tell me now Bella, are you convinced in me scum over corwin or are you still on the fence? If convinced, ok no worries, I don't blame you, but please put us out of our misery after you and somnus have had a chance to talk.

I disagree. It only looks like that because you were the one whose vote has been out there, so yes it would mostly clear non-Rad teams. If it had been Bella or I dangling our votes out there, it would have cleared most, if not all of the Rad-Teams.

[Bellaphant]

I'm not picking up what you want from that?

[Somnus]

A lot of logic and reason points to bbt being today's vote. Four things stop me:

Rads earlier shifting read on me
Rads reluctance to vote corwin earlier when it should have been fine from their pov

The fact that rad actually outweighs bbt in My choices

!
The fact that bbt had similar thoughts to me earlier.

But none of these are conclusive. Also, if somnus is scum, then...well done I guess!

In response to the bolded. If you or I had been doing the clearing instead of Rad, it would be you or I that appear in the most possible teams still.

[Somnus]

I feel confident enough in this solve that I'm willing to vote right now, but without Corwin around to clear Rad/Corwin, I don't know that it matters.

[Rad]

What team are you most worried about bella?

[Rad]

Anyone know why corwin's now been away for 24 hours? Man, it wouldn't have anything to do with my 1513 post would it? Surely he's up for coming in and confirming somnus town so Bella can make her decision with more information. I mean, he did claim that scum!somnus was off the table afterall so this shouldn't be a big deal, right? No way he's just avoiding the thread because scum's position with my proposition is impossible to talk his way out of and giving away more clear data is certain to lead to his loss.

It's ok corwin, what you need to say is "oh man I've been reading the thread and thinking about it and I'm really leaning towards rad/somnus now." That's all you gotta say to get out of this one buddy. Come join us in the thread again. Or you know, you could also just come confirm rad/somnus not a team to make Bella's choice here easier since that would be the townie thing to do, doubling down on your 1496 post. Afterall, town!corwin was absolutely sure that taking out Rad d3 guarantees town victory in d4.

[Somnus]

Town!Corwin could literally have the game solved right now, and all it would take is the same “risk” that he was willing to do right off the bat to start Day 3. The only way he loses is if Somnus gave zero fucks about coordinating with a scum!Rad and didn’t bother to end a game I clearly wanted out of most of Day 1 and Day 2. A Corwin vote on BBT (which would just be bussing anyway) gives him the exact solve of BlueBlood/Rad. Too risky though, apparently.

[Somnus]

Another fun one: Somnus and Bella both putting their votes on BlueBlood (after Rad has unvoted) and Rad checking in, literally solves the game and puts it into auto. Again, only risk is if the exact team is Somnus/Rad and I didn't bother to end this 3 days ago.