Newbie 2096 | Nathan For You | Endgame

[Somnus]

Actually, I guess that 2nd one would lose to a Rad/Corwin if Corwin weren't MIA.

[Rad]

Let's consider a town!corwin vs rad/somnus team where corwin legit believes in somnus. Somnus could have bussed me here so easily. Then we NK Bella. Now it's somnus corwin bbt, and corwin votes bbt. Why wouldn't we just go down that super obvious path instead of overcomplicating everything pretending to want a clear so somnus could fail hammer again? The amount of bad a rad/somnus team would have to be...

[Somnus]

If you and I are the scum team, we're not winning a scummy award anytime soon.

[Bellaphant]

I could do that now?

[Somnus]

Another fun one: Somnus and Bella both putting their votes on BlueBlood (after Rad has unvoted) and Rad checking in, literally solves the game and puts it into auto. Again, only risk is if the exact team is Somnus/Rad and I didn't bother to end this 3 days ago.

I did initially overlook that town would lose to a Rad/Corwin team with this one, Bella.

[Somnus]

We could hammer test and risk losing to a scum!Rad but put the game into auto-win if Rad is town, or we could do the less risky thing and vote off BlueBlood today and presumably go to a Day 4 of Bella, Rad, Corwin.

I don't think Rad is scum with everything that has transpired during Day 3, and the only reason he's still in the most non-cleared teams is because his vote cleared other teams (especially you and I) and not himself.

[Bellaphant]

I mean us both putting our vote on bbt is functionally the same thing? Either it's rad/corwin or bbt/corwin?

[Somnus]

Rad/BlueBlood isn't technically clear either. I'm pretty certain of his solve though. Pretty much everything Rad has said here in Day 3 has been verifiably/objectively true. If he took the dumbest path to victory as mafia and completely cleared you and nearly completely cleared me (I would be if I had been around at start of Day 3), then GG I guess?

[Somnus]

I don't know. What are your thoughts?

[Bellaphant]

Does it still make more sense to vote corwin?

I feel it's a lot of pressure on me, and as you reliably informed me, im shit

[Somnus]

My bad

There was only so many little non-game-advancing shots taken at me from several people throughout Days 1 and 2 where I figured I might as well get my one dig-post in at the people who did so back on Day 2 when I thought I was going to be free from this disaster.

I was only specifically referring to Newbie 2094. You all obviously had a good game in Newbie 2091. I haven't read any other games of yours start to finish. For whatever it's worth, if Rad is scum here, I come away from this game with an absolutely terrible performance.

[Somnus]

Does it still make more sense to vote corwin?

I mean, if the solve is literally BlueBlood/Corwin like Town!Rad would know with 100% certainty and I'm pretty sure it's the solve as well, it doesn't

really

matter unless you're going to side with BlueBlood on Day 4.

[Somnus]

Like, assuming we flip scum!BlueBlood today, one of us is dying tonight, and it's probably me because I'm a lot more certain of the solve than you are. You'd be in a 3P eLo with Rad and Corwin. But whichever of you or I is alive on Day 4 is literally confirmed town.

[Somnus]

To everyone else, flip one of me, BlueBlood, or Rad today. Obviously, my preference isn't myself, but it would at least break this game the fuck open and make the solve easier.

Imagine how I'm going to feel if I lose to this team

[Bellaphant]

Let's vote corwin? From my pov it's statistically more likely

[Somnus]

What's the plan then on Day 4 for you assuming that does in fact flip red like it should? I obviously am not being brought to Day 4 in that scenario (or pretty much any realistic scenario).

[Somnus]

And I'd still want to talk this over with Rad at some point later today as well, so I'm not gonna vote right here and right now. Going to bed soon anyway.

[Bellaphant]

For me, corwin red, u nk, means the choice is obvious tomorrow. Today I have like, two too many choices, so it feels like there is more room for errors? Does that make sense?

[Somnus]

From your POV, yes it does make sense. Here are the teams clear to everyone:

Bella - Somnus

Bella - Rad

Bella - Corwin

Bella - BlueBlood

Somnus - BlueBlood

Somnus - Corwin

Rad - Somnus
Rad - Corwin
Rad - BlueBlood
Corwin - BlueBlood

Like I said, because of Rad's gamble, I'd be confirmed town right now as well if I had checked on at the start of Day 3, but it is what it is. Rad/Somnus wouldn't be possible from your POV anymore, but that's on me.

Doing this from memory, but from your POV, the possible teams are:

Rad/Somnus
BlueBlood/Corwin
BlueBlood/Rad
Corwin/Rad.

And again, for whatever it's worth, the reason Rad appears in the last amount of cleared teams is because he's the one who dangled his vote out there and completely cleared you as town, and had it not been for my late start to Day 3, Rad/Somnus would be clear and I'd be confirmed town as well, making it so that Rad, Corwin, and BlueBlood all appear in 2 out of 3 possible teams, not only from your POV, but from everyone's POV.

So yes, from your POV, what you're saying does make sense. We'll have to both talk it over with Rad sometime today though. It's nearly 3 AM here.

[Somnus]

Just realized that the list of teams not clear to you are the same as the teams not clear to everyone. Kinda makes sense since you're confirmed town. But I digress.

[Somnus]

And again, for whatever it's worth, the reason Rad appears in the

least

amount

Clearly need to sleep

[Bellaphant]

Night!

[Rad]

VOTE: corwin

You want corwin first Bella? Doesn't matter to me the order.

[Rad]

Somnus you can clear rad corwin if we both switch to bbt for a bit before we flip corwin. That clears the game without Bella having to choose between me and bbt d4, so essentially puts the responsibility on you instead of her. Your read seems more convinced than hers so your call. If we want to go to d4 with me uncleared and I have to put together a case on bbt, I'm fine with it, but if I haven't convinced bella yet then I'm not sure I'll be able to because the evidence against bbt already feels super compelling to me.

[Bellaphant]

You have to say that though