Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation Game Over!

[Gamma Emerald]

If you’re town you need to re-assess your assumptions of how I form reads
I am a lot more fast-and-loose with them than you seem to think
Also, you’ve kept me low in your reads from the very beginning so I think only now changing things up is not how scum!me would play this

[Enchant]

Says mr enchant tmi-er

jealousy

[Enchant]

Koba why you need alts if it's always obvious who you are?

Like

WHAT POINT

[Enchant]

Eh.

You want me to suggest teams for you? No?

Okay i do what you didn't ask anyway.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Team Selection

Deadline

(expired on 2022-06-22 15:00:00)

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[Gamma Emerald]

I’m hereeee T-T
Heck I’m tired
I’be skimmed through the thread

I love the fact that Loki still hasn’t answered my suggestion.
And I love that I asked (multiple players) for elaborations on rat, fidget and Loki… and see none
Before I say anything- this is a really tough day for me. Please do ignore it if I’m more of an ass today than previously
I’m just really not in the mood to solve

I’ll try to take a 30min nap and get back to reading through ISOs
If anyone wants to help me- aGAiN- I’m looking for players who have played with Loki before. I want those who disagree on my read on rat to comment on it
Frankly speaking it’s not my obligation to convince myself out of a read if it’s wrong
It’s not like I didn’t ask
Talk to me please because there isn’t a lot of time

(P.edit. Ok hectic did talk about RR rn. What do you think about my read tho?)
(Thank you btw)

Loki I think is just generally town but also his TR on me makes a lot of sense
The problem is backing this up in a tangible fashion would out his main

Fidget I feel like seems solvy, she(?) isn’t that strong a TR, in fact before I determined the walls were par for the course I felt wary of that aspect of her play

[Radical Rat]

I'm a dirty liar and I fell asleep when I got home.

I'll catch up and case CSF properly

[Radical Rat]

I still think RR slipped their reads arent genuine in their post where i accused them of townreading me before and not having progression while simultaneously not myself realizing i was quoting a post where they scumread me but when replying they did not even realize said inconsistency as one who had a genuine read there would.

Because by your own admission there was no inconsistency? Like, I asked what you were talking about and you never answered, and now you're saying you thought I said I townread you, but that wasn't actually expressed at the time so how would I have caught that? Even if I were scum, why would I have just... Let you get away with that if I did know what you were talking about?

[Radical Rat]

So, these are the mech posts that pinged me, though in my mind there were a lot more of these, I guess I got stuff mixed around in my head.

Spoiler:

Last blurb on spec I promise

but the role pm says we have our voice and vote, but glaringly missing from it is that there's nothing about voting out players from the game, which makes me think the leaders probably have control over the lims. So yeah, I strongly suspect read accuracy will matter.

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HEAL: Andante

This sounds like town!Andante to me.

are they always so dramatic?

Dramatic? They sound genuine and that’s why I’m so confident she’s town here.

what I meant was- they misunderstood my posts in pretty silly ways
I got the feeling that they read my posts, got slighty triggered and then overwhelmed with anger when they started writing and describing how scummy and rude I am. As if just writing that kept fueling their anger, causing them to notice new and new arguments for how I'm being bad (which actually were based on pretty simple misunderstandings- I don't think it should be considered scummy by a person who's emotionally sober)

I was asking if it's normal for town!Andante to get so lost in their feelings and lose track of reality
or like... if it's just normal for them to tunnel

sorry if I'm being rude again, I don't know how to describe it otherwhise

I don't think they lose track of reality, but yes Andante does play a very emotionally transparent game. This is completely within her townrange

Feeling town on Ejjinami, I like their analysis here and on 96

but the role pm says we have our voice and vote, but glaringly missing from it is that there's nothing about voting out players from the game, which makes me think the leaders probably have control over the lims. So yeah, I strongly suspect read accuracy will matter.

That is never going to happen and if it does i hope they get 186 as well

Never say never but yeah that would be kind of unfun

Another theory I have is they get special PR-like abilities based on what I'm reading about John Connor in the Terminator Wiki lol

However, they just seem weird and out of place, like I said earlier, like they're meant to draw attention away from relevant discussion.

Beyond that, the energy here is wonky. I know she said she was sick, and that's probably part of it, but... It feels very coasty, kinda going with the flow.

And then after being elected, the suggestion that she'd just pick her healers is demonstrative of a lack of care or investment. Like, if she's scum here, she's already won, it really doesn't matter who her team is, so picking something as superficial as that makes sense. And then she backed down when called on it, of course.

[ejjinami]

if you townread rr i think its wrong

it's kinda amusing that you don't remember
but whatever lmao

Loki I think is just generally town but also his TR on me makes a lot of sense
The problem is backing this up in a tangible fashion would out his main

tbh I kinda like this post

HEAL: andante
HEAL: NotAHecticAlternateAccount

those are reads I will not reconsider today
not healing rat yet just in order to double check what hectic said about them, tho frankly speaking at first glance the reasoning is not something I'd use
focusing on loki first

[ejjinami]

So, these are the mech posts that pinged me, though in my mind there were a lot more of these, I guess I got stuff mixed around in my head.

Spoiler:

Last blurb on spec I promise

but the role pm says we have our voice and vote, but glaringly missing from it is that there's nothing about voting out players from the game, which makes me think the leaders probably have control over the lims. So yeah, I strongly suspect read accuracy will matter.

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HEAL: Andante

This sounds like town!Andante to me.

are they always so dramatic?

Dramatic? They sound genuine and that’s why I’m so confident she’s town here.

what I meant was- they misunderstood my posts in pretty silly ways
I got the feeling that they read my posts, got slighty triggered and then overwhelmed with anger when they started writing and describing how scummy and rude I am. As if just writing that kept fueling their anger, causing them to notice new and new arguments for how I'm being bad (which actually were based on pretty simple misunderstandings- I don't think it should be considered scummy by a person who's emotionally sober)

I was asking if it's normal for town!Andante to get so lost in their feelings and lose track of reality
or like... if it's just normal for them to tunnel

sorry if I'm being rude again, I don't know how to describe it otherwhise

I don't think they lose track of reality, but yes Andante does play a very emotionally transparent game. This is completely within her townrange

Feeling town on Ejjinami, I like their analysis here and on 96

but the role pm says we have our voice and vote, but glaringly missing from it is that there's nothing about voting out players from the game, which makes me think the leaders probably have control over the lims. So yeah, I strongly suspect read accuracy will matter.

That is never going to happen and if it does i hope they get 186 as well

Never say never but yeah that would be kind of unfun

Another theory I have is they get special PR-like abilities based on what I'm reading about John Connor in the Terminator Wiki lol

However, they just seem weird and out of place, like I said earlier, like they're meant to draw attention away from relevant discussion.

Beyond that, the energy here is wonky. I know she said she was sick, and that's probably part of it, but... It feels very coasty, kinda going with the flow.

And then after being elected, the suggestion that she'd just pick her healers is demonstrative of a lack of care or investment. Like, if she's scum here, she's already won, it really doesn't matter who her team is, so picking something as superficial as that makes sense. And then she backed down when called on it, of course.

...ngl, this is the first read of yours I truly don't buy
this seems more one-sided than I'd expect from those sort of arguments tbh

[ejjinami]

wait, loki has no scum games on this account??? ffs

[ejjinami]

duuuuuuuuuude Loki's vibe in https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
(town game) is so different than here

The reads are straight to the point and there's much less AtE, especially when responding to scum-reads
even tho he does get annoyed by scum-reads as town, he complains about it in 1- sentences max and goes back to solving right away
not like here where it's literally several dramatic walls one after another
reading further but lol YEAH I don't trust this at all
It feels as if he's trying to portray his reactions clearly here and make sure that people do see it - TLDR - the lamist mindset may truly be scummy

getting more and more convinced that the town-read on gamma might just be whiteknighting

[Andante]

umm good luck on picking your teeams... I'm not jealous of that position...

[Andante]

I think I could see rat as maf.. especially with like how no one wanted to heal rat, so ehhh idk!!! good luck!! ejj I probably vote for your team regardless

[Radical Rat]

If you don't buy it, that's fine, my point stands regardless.

If Cat and NotHectic are both scum, keeping them on one team loses nothing, but putting NotHectic on your team means both are bad.

If Cat and NotHectic are both Town, which team NotHectic is on is entirely inconsequential.

If Cat is Town and NotHectic is scum, whichever team gets NotHectic is bad, but the other is potentially good, so recruiting them on either team is the same result.

If Cat is scum and NotHectic is Town, then it actually is ideal to put NotHectic on your team, but there are enough other Town in the game that it shouldn't be too hard to pick another one.

So, ideally we just wouldn't recruit NotHectic at all. But, if it must be done, I'd prefer they be quarantined together. If that team then wins the vote because everyone else townreads them, so be it.

[ejjinami]

umm good luck on picking your teeams... I'm not jealous of that position...

I'm neither, I feel like this will hurt

reading loki's ISO further ehh, ignore my previous post
I'm not as confident anymore
sorry
not done yet tho

[Radical Rat]

I think I could see rat as maf.. especially with like how no one wanted to heal rat, so ehhh idk!!! good luck!! ejj I probably vote for your team regardless

Why wouldn't scum have supported you in healing me then, given the opportunity?

[ejjinami]

If you don't buy it, that's fine, my point stands regardless.

If Cat and NotHectic are both scum, keeping them on one team loses nothing, but putting NotHectic on your team means both are bad.

If Cat and NotHectic are both Town, which team NotHectic is on is entirely inconsequential.

If Cat is Town and NotHectic is scum, whichever team gets NotHectic is bad, but the other is potentially good, so recruiting them on either team is the same result.

If Cat is scum and NotHectic is Town, then it actually is ideal to put NotHectic on your team, but there are enough other Town in the game that it shouldn't be too hard to pick another one.

So, ideally we just wouldn't recruit NotHectic at all. But, if it must be done, I'd prefer they be quarantined together. If that team then wins the vote because everyone else townreads them, so be it.

let's talk about hectic once this phase ends
sorry
shortly- I just think what you scum-read them for is caused by personality (they're getting reads based on spontaneous thoughts + emotions... + absolutely no double-checking :/). If you take that into account I think their intentions have been purely townie so far
but like, if I'm wrong, I'm already wrong, there's no time for everyone
let's just talk later

[ejjinami]

yeah ok, I'm back to not liking the difference in loki's posting style in the town game I'm reading and his ISO here

the difference in standard post length is kinda amusing
he has so many one-line posts in the town game
Explaining oneself more is often caused by an innate worry that they'll be suspected
There he seems just..... relaxed

[ejjinami]

yeah, that's it for me, loki is not getting on my team
if I'm wrong, just sorry

HURT: Loki Dokie

[ejjinami]

I'll probably end up healing gamma. I do believe that Loki believes in their town-read on gamma
and if they're scum- I do think it should make gamma town
(especially since it's a very spicy town-read they could easily get flamed for if gamma ever flipped)

I'm down to talk about that read- but yeah basically, I think his confidence sounds more like white-knighting than hard-buddying

[Gamma Emerald]

duuuuuuuuuude Loki's vibe in https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
(town game) is so different than here

The reads are straight to the point and there's much less AtE, especially when responding to scum-reads
even tho he does get annoyed by scum-reads as town, he complains about it in 1- sentences max and goes back to solving right away
not like here where it's literally several dramatic walls one after another
reading further but lol YEAH I don't trust this at all
It feels as if he's trying to portray his reactions clearly here and make sure that people do see it - TLDR - the lamist mindset may truly be scummy

getting more and more convinced that the town-read on gamma might just be whiteknighting

if Loki is WKing me I'm not seeing it
once again tho, can't exactly establish what I think it's based on without revealing things I shouldn't

[Toogeloo]

Has Cat asked for advice from any of their town reads on who to put on their team?

[Gamma Emerald]

Has Cat asked for advice from any of their town reads on who to put on their team?

idk about asking but I have given a lot of probably-unsolicited advice