Mini Normal 2276: Around the World - Game Over!

[Gamma Emerald]

@alex, I felt it was oddly defensive, she said 'peiple are saying I've votes X but actually, gotcha, I haven't voted anyone!' it felt toned very oddly.

Crescent and you give me the same vibes really, relaxed, sharing ideas, also a little bit flexible which I think is fine for day one town. I could point to some actual posts if vibes isn't good enough

Ah okay fair enough. I didn't quite read that post like that but maybe just reading it differently.

Looking at Alex ISO and haven’t gotten to his Bella vote quite yet but I do see Bella had a similar vibe to what I got on Alex here

@Bella

what is your take on Alex rn?

[Crescent]

Hm. On a side note, I just remembered Alex constantly trying to get Shoshin to notice Corwin.

I don't know if Alex would do that if they were scum together.

[Crescent]

Yeah if Corwin flips scum it's kinda hard to imagine scum Alex calling the kind of attention to him that he did so soon after he replaced in. A Corwin red flip means Alex is probably good.

[Gamma Emerald]

Is it weird? I don't like answering questions for other people, but in this case she already answered the question and three separate people have asked about it. That's what I find weird.

I have read that post. I was directly responding to that post twice. What I don't see is any strong reason to be jumping on Bella's train.

What I do see is a

lot

of prebuilt excuses to excuse being "wrong" if that vote is placed on town.

Crossing my fingers that I'm not wrong then

Why do you seem so concerned she's going to get launched?

This feels like Alex overextending in response to a legitimate point. If you combine this with Ausuka, it seems like he's looking to use other people to justify his vote because it's come under fire.

Why are you dodging my question and speaking about me in the third person rather than engaging directly with me? This feels like you're not trying to sort me but trying to convince other people that I'm shifty.

Okay I think I see some of the arguments about how Alex reacted to pressure better

[Freedom]

Hm. On a side note, I just remembered Alex constantly trying to get Shoshin to notice Corwin.

I don't know if Alex would do that if they were scum together.

I think that scum could do so.
It isn't exactly clearing.
Especially, if people like to replicate their towngame as scum.
But then, in all, it's probably NAI.

[Freedom]

I don't like 1018 and the bottom of 1027.
It feels needlessly defensive from Corwin to scamper's 1016 and as STD said in 1029, "pratically TMIing" them as Town.
Regarding, 1016, I think that it actually fairly good analysis from scamper and I concur with it.
VOTE: Corwin

[Crescent]

Hm. On a side note, I just remembered Alex constantly trying to get Shoshin to notice Corwin.

I don't know if Alex would do that if they were scum together.

I think that scum could do so.
It isn't exactly clearing.
Especially, if people like to replicate their towngame as scum.
But then, in all, it's probably NAI.

I feel like it's possibly but less likely given he was barely even situated in the game yet after replacing a 0 poster.

Also Corwin is already at -2. Be careful with votes.

[scamper]

i do have other stuff i want to catch up still on so plz be careful not to have any accidental hammers

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm around if anyone wants to chat.

Was kinda hoping Gamma was doing a deep dive on Alex but they just trailed off.

Not really a fan of the Corwin push. I feel like the the inactivity and fluff isn't super indicative, and while I do find his sudden short temper weird I'm still more confident in Alex.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm around if anyone wants to chat.

Was kinda hoping Gamma was doing a deep dive on Alex but they just trailed off.

Not really a fan of the Corwin push. I feel like the the inactivity and fluff isn't super indicative, and while I do find his sudden short temper weird I'm still more confident in Alex.

a true deep-dive was never the plan, I was just seeing if I could reconcile my thoughts with the opinions of others

[Save The Dragons]

Your defense of corwinoid is noted

[Freedom]

Your defense of corwinoid is noted

This is towards JF and not Gamma, right?

[JohnnyFarrar]

That seems self evident

[Save The Dragons]

yes

[Crescent]

Oh town finished throwing 2273 (the game was

100% solved

, but the remaining town were too shitposty to care and threw the game over the course of two days) so now I can say it.

Post #1015 and his general behavior towards out of game material is

completely the opposite

of his towngame 2273. I just couldn't say anything about it.

2273 Corwin aggressively attacked anyone to ever bring up out of game information to the game. This Corwin not only ignored Ausuka, he asked me a direct question pertaining to a different community out of "curiosity".

This Corwin is monumentally different than the Corwin in 2273 was. The town Corwin of 2273 lambasts me for a post like that in 3 separate personal attacks. He also attacks Ausuka for his "unnecessary" reference to several different games and takes.

Corwin in that game aggressively called anyone to call him scum scum in return, but it was nothing like this. There was an ounce of rationality in the way he reacted and it wasn't just instant "YOU MUST DIE". I would be absolutely shocked if the Corwin I've seen on the last 3 pages was town given the town Corwin I just played with.

[Crescent]

To go further, Corwin basically never pursued someone as scum who didn't vote him first. Owen was on him, and he went after Owen directly in return. Then it was Vivax, and he directly countervoted him too. Then it was me. His end of day 1 scumteam? Owen, Vivax, and myself. He never stopped calling me scum for the entire rest of the game. All scum had to do was leave us both alive and it was inevitable he would vote me eventually. Corwin was not really passive at any point in that game either like he is in this one.

There was still a method to his madness. He never had an explosion anything resembling his reaction to Scamper. The fact that he was voted by someone he had already called scum (without actually countervoting first) triggering such a violent reaction blew me away and instantly had me almost positive he was scum, I just couldn't say it at the time.

[Crescent]

Oh and his immediate attempt to townclear me for whatever the hell reasons scumpinged me pretty hard. It felt like a pretty blatant attempt to pocket me given how he more or less refused to even be civil with me in 2273. I shot down so many bad arguments from him (On day 3 I basically obliterated every argument he had in one swoop and his response was basically "well you're still scum I don't care if I have no arguments for it"). I stopped bothering to respond because it just wasn't worth it anymore.

I don't think town Corwin immediately buddies up to me like that here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Your defense of corwinoid is noted

This is towards JF and not Gamma, right?

I voted corwin lol

[Roden]

I'm down to vote Corwin, but I want to give them time to respond before putting them at E-1.

[Crescent]

Oh and Alex probably is just town. I don't trust his votes, and I reaction tested him on a few things before I felt Corwin outright claimed scum, but player meta.

It's more than just immediately drawing attention to the guy who replaced a 0 poster, which is a dangerous game for scum to be playing. I also think if they're scum together, Alex has Corwin screaming in his ear to stop talking about him, and I think as a result he does not bring up Corwin so many times.

[Roden]

Why avoid talking about each other if they're both scum? Both have had suspicion thrown at them today, so distancing is possible if they think one of them could be going down.

[Crescent]

Oh and my weariness of shitposting is because there were two town members that actively weren't playing to win and kept shitposting and prod dodging, and the host wouldn't do a damned thing about them. Along with the almost entirely unaddressed general inactives, they completely sabotaged the game. Town had like... Maybe 5 people who were actually playing to win, out of 10.

It feels nice to get this all out~

[Crescent]

Why avoid talking about each other if they're both scum? Both have had suspicion thrown at them today, so distancing is possible if they think one of them could be going down.

Alex wasn't under any pressure at all when he first started drawing attention to Corwin. It was the bad vote on Bella that drew pressure to him.

It feels like it

could

be scum/scum but it doesn't feel like it is. Alex would've had to jump a newly replaced scum really early on. I don't actually know how scum Alex plays, though.

Though my reasons for distrusting Alex are completely independent of Corwin, and he did vote Johnny over him when frankly Corwin had done even less than Johnny.

[Crescent]

Corwin's first post is #310. Shoshin fakespews him as scum in #341.

Alex brings up Corwin to Shoshin in #347, #364, #417, and #439. I didn't even notice #439 until now.

I mean, it could be some form of preemptive damage control, but Shoshin's "reads" changed so often that I don't see why scum would be all that concerned about them. She didn't answer questions anyway.

I'll admit it is... A bit weird that it's 4 times in 92 posts.

[Crescent]

Wait.

Wait wait wait.

That means Alex

was

under pressure when he started talking about Corwin.

My memory was saying this started in the late 200s, but post #347 is shortly after he voted Bella and was quickly voted three times for it. He was talking about Corwin to Shoshin before he ever even bothered to justify the vote he was on. He's still on Bella the entire time he's poking Shoshin about Corwin.

Yeah ok I take it back this isn't a townclear. He only starts talking about Corwin after he's already at 3 votes.