LOST (Game Over)

[Dancing Puppets]

See invictus in which they didn't freeze much and did fine.

Marci was scum in that?

Okay just checked, frozen, was probably the wrong word, fake and performative might be better. She sounds similar in HDP to that game. Here she seems more natural.

[Bell]

I find it unlikely that frogster isn't themselves this game.

But I am deeply unhappy of how many posts I've made and deleted that are some form of "stop shit posting, only I can do that" I do think their granade style is still here and they haven't changed much, I'm glad they're (I hope they're) in a better place emotionally rn.

That's nice! What is grenade style?

You forgot? It's pretty much where every post you make seems to be incendiary. For example, hearing someone give an SR on a player and immediately announcing that you think they're town. Creates the beginning of a conflict.
Mostly, with all the shrapnel going all over the place it's hard to tell what's real. Well, not that it isn't already hard.

See invictus in which they didn't freeze much and did fine.

Marci was scum in that?

Yes.

Stand BACK while I post my ROCK SOLID D1 case on Frogger everybody. It'll have quotes and everything

^ unironically excited for this

Johnny, if you were being sarcastic in 963, I would still appreciate it if you could point to some post numbers that gave you this feeling. It would at least give me a window into your thought process

They were being sarcastic. Making a rock solid case day 1 has been done a handful of times in the last year.

[Dancing Puppets]

Just going to throw this out there, hydras are > than rand more likely to either targeted or NK’d early. So why do you think OtH is likely to be scum? What about their posting do you sr? @Cephir

hydras are more likely to be targeted probably yes. so?

again, just a vibe, i guess i could go in depth on them right now and try to produce what made me feel this way but it's far from my top priority

Yes because two heads and less predictable, so scum is more likely to target them in general. So. just saying I get a little but worried whenever I see a hydra getting sr unless they’re flaming obvscum like D & D was in CoD.

i greatly disagree with this philosophy and will not be abiding by it

You were in Post Apocalypse so I genuinely don’t understand this take?

[Cephrir]

i don't even remember that game but no i am not going to give all hydras bonus points for being hydras and i dont think there's anything wild about that

[Frogsterking]

You forgot? It's pretty much where every post you make seems to be incendiary. For example, hearing someone give an SR on a player and immediately announcing that you think they're town. Creates the beginning of a conflict.
Mostly, with all the shrapnel going all over the place it's hard to tell what's real. Well, not that it isn't already hard.

Ugh that's hard to change but I'll see if I can change it because it sounds annoying.

[Cephrir]

froggy why did you change your posting style midgame here

[Frogsterking]

froggy why did you change your posting style midgame here

Meds wore off

[Cephrir]

i cant tell if that's a joke or not

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm ngl it would be the most lit timeline if we yeet Frogster today and he flips town and then tommorrow I get to pretend like he's a changeling.

Unfortunately he probably does not flip town here.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

After reading Frogster's ISO in his latest scumgame (Large Normal 238), I actually feel decently good about townreading him here. I think he tends to aggressively townblock and PoE from very early on when he's town.

Spoiler: early posts from a town game

Tigger's iso is trash. Slight townread on Ceph.

weak townreads:
StrangeMatter
Cephrir

weak scumreads:
Lukewarm
GuiltyLion

Huh I think the distraction of the theme is actually giving me more shitty early reads than usual. I'll just list them all before I start messing around with python to get my survey ready for the thread tonight.

PEdit:

weak townreads:
Cephrir
StrangeMatter
Greetings

weak scumreads:
Morning Tweet
Lukewarm
GuiltyLion

@Greetings

I like where you're headed keep going if you can! I have more of an artsy temperament than a science temperament so I think I'm most helpful to town establishing an early PoE than min maxing the mechanics, but I will try to help with both.

PEdit: Good point Ceph

PoE Order Matters:

1. Very early townreads:
   
2. Frogsterking
   
   
3. StrangeMatter
   
   
4. Greeting
   
   
   
   Null + posted:
   
5. Cephrir
   
   
6. PookyTheMagicalBear
   
   
7. The Bulge
   
   
8. Titus
   
   
9. Lukewarm
   
   
10. catboi
    
    
11. Morning Tweet
    
    
12. Menalque
    
    
    
    Null + not posted:
    
13. Andante
    
    
14. The Praetorian
    
    
15. Dwlee99
    
    
16. Andresvmb
    
    
17. Cat Scratch Fever
    
    
    Very early scumreads:
    
18. Bell
    
    
19. GuiltyLion
    
    
20. VP Baltar

More info:
Order matters in every tier except Null + not posted. The Null + not posted is completely random, the other three tiers are ordered intentionally from #1 most townie to #19 least townie. I moved my weakest early townread (Ceph) and weakest early scumread (MorningTweet) to their respective positions withinin the Null + posted tier. Barring some exceptional dayplay in a good or bad direction I don't think the players in the townread tier should go anywhere near the bottom of the PoE and I don't think the players in the scumread tier should go anywhere near the top of the PoE. I think the Null + posted is more townie than the Null + not posted by about a hair length, moreso toward the top of the tier than at the bottom.

Spoiler: similar posts this game

I'm tempted to townread pooky because their persona seems different from D1 in the large theme KTANE game

Bad frog.

Lmao it's dif though he's spamming up the thread here, he was a little more careful D1 in that other game than he's being here.

I have a town pile forming:

Pooky
Penguin
Dunnstral
The toad ( my townread from my first post)

Scum pile:

Rad (scumread from my first post)
Off the Hook

PEdit:

I'm rescinding my scumread on Rad based on their post just now explaining their reads.

Pooky
Penguin
Dunnstral
The toad
Luke
Rad
Tbone
CSF
Klick

I think are all Town.

I'm skeptical of Malcolm, Off the Hook and Bellaphant so far.

Enchant, Ceph, Johnny, BlueBlooded, Bella, C&G, Galron, Dwlee, Corwin, Roden, DancingPuppets

are where I'm most expecting to get a successful D1 hit, based on PoE combined from myself and the players I (relatively) trust.

Right now I'm most interested in any takes which can help narrow down that pool of 11, including elaboration from those players themselves.

PEdit:

If Rh9 rolled scum and they love to talk then they can talk in the scum PT.

In contrast, his scumposting is light (both by the number of posts he writes and by the number of reads he gives when he does post). I cannot quote the absence of something, but have a look at Large Normal 238 - zero townblocking and lack of really working with townreads: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13279060

Another semi-recent scumgame that he's been in is Infernal Affairs, and he was really obvscum in that game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

I've seen a couple of people say his PoE is just LHF, which is probably an objectively accurate statement, but it's also kind of how I'm feeling right now about the game, since not many of the actively engaged posters are pinging me.

I think some of us from KTaNE may be remembering only the most outrageous event from that game (the catboi changeling fiasco). But he really did frequently change his reads as town.

The one very early game example I could find was on, funnily enough, the very same Lukewarm -

Spoiler:

VOTE: Lukewarm

Based on my understanding of how the setup works then there is a clear scum motivation in 71.

I don't fully understand this setup that's for sure.

Same. I assumed the bombs were mandatory because like...yeah, why would you do them otherwise????

please go read the setup again.

Fair warning, in games like this, I'll probably ask lots of dumb questions about the setup/mechanics.

scum

Their first post*

scum

My bad, Luke. UNVOTE: Luke There's probably at least one lurker scum who hasn't even said anything yet so there's no way Luke goes in the bottom of the PoE. There's also no way Luke goes in the top of the PoE because fake game solving is a part of Luke's scum range.

VP is way too self conscious compared to their town meta. This might be normal play for Bell but my intuition is that they seem way too self conscious and belong in the bottom of the PoE.

There are several other examples throughout Day 1; one particular one that gave me a good chuckle when rereading was the "Cephrir is scum" --> "Cephrir is just town who's high"

[Dancing Puppets]

i don't even remember that game but no i am not going to give all hydras bonus points for being hydras and i dont think there's anything wild about that

That’s not at all what I was saying.

[Frogsterking]

I'm ngl it would be the most lit timeline if we yeet Frogster today and he flips town and then tommorrow I get to pretend like he's a changeling.

Unfortunately he probably does not flip town here.

Okay so normally I would say

Spoiler:

that sounds really boring

but in an effort to be less incendiary:

Sure Pooky, as long as you mislim me here D1 and you don't make the same mistake again next time.

i cant tell if that's a joke or not

Nope, you asked and I answered. Posting style changes = meds wore off = probably an increase of "grenade style" posting like Bell was describing, among other things.

[Cephrir]

Nope, you asked and I answered. Posting style changes = meds wore off = probably an increase of "grenade style" posting like Bell was describing, among other things.

pooky are you still sure this is scum because im not

[Cat Scratch Fever]

um, please take your meds. Mainly for your own sake, but also I'm rather enjoying your on-meds posting this game thus far - it's been rather pleasant

[Malakittens]

Csf town

Game solved

I win

Gg

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Mala!!! hi

[Malakittens]

Hellllooo

Fellow cat like creature

How are you doing this fine morning

[Cephrir]

malakittens is town

[Malakittens]

NoU

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm great! It's late at night where I am, and I just poured myself a drink and I'm ready to just relax for the rest of the night

[Malakittens]

Oof. I wish I could drink, but I’ll be doing that in two days for the next 7 days.

I’m just stuck at work, but it’s okay bc

VACAY

[JohnnyFarrar]

um, please take your meds. Mainly for your own sake, but also I'm rather enjoying your on-meds posting this game thus far - it's been rather pleasant

Yes this

[MalcolmTucker]

I feel like Dancing Puppets could potentially be scum on the basis of a lot of their recent posts. Feel like there's a lot of stuff about them not necessarily having particularly distinct reads/being willing to sheep despite the fact that they have been quite active anyway. For how much they've posted it feels like there's a real lack of content there.

[Frogsterking]

984 that's some great research CSF, I'm glad you came to the correct conclusion about my alignment in this game. What you said sounds about right as far as I know, I mostly make it up as I go along.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Nope, you asked and I answered. Posting style changes = meds wore off = probably an increase of "grenade style" posting like Bell was describing, among other things.

pooky are you still sure this is scum because im not

I wouldn't like bet a kidney on it.

I don't see anything he's posted that makes me think oh yea this is town Frogster.