LOST (Game Over)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I look forward to the amv

[Dancing Puppets]

That wasn’t a compliment. I recently played a game where we lost because NM deathtunnelled me for a nai opening post.

um...re-read my post?

I did. Your reads on us, OtH, CSF, Dunn, Taly are bad.

Oh - so there are just certain reads that you disagree with and the rest you are okay with.

Possibly next time say that, and what you disagree with, instead of trying to call them all trash but "your greens are good."

Now that we have a starting point, talk to me about

why

they are bad. I've given my (limited, and at most - hey it's D1) on Dunn, CSF, OtH, Taly, and....you.

Well first off you have us and probably my strongest tr as orange and then you have other strong trs of mine as yellows.

I would seriously like to understand your thought process in that. The greens I like because I obviously vibe with those, so you’re right, your list isn’t all bad. I just don’t understand how you can have those green reads and the other ones I mentioned as being so off.

Can you expand on this? The depth seems lacking. I think you can do better.

C&G, I implore you to ask this question about your post restriction: Do pictures/emojis/GIFS count?

They do.
-Guanine

How much would one count for?
~GE

If I was DNA hydra I would be annoyed by posts like this. If I was the mod I would say a picture is worth a thousand words or some BS like that. What are your reads in the game?

Post 2597 — Dunn being gone for a while or lurking is NAI. Can you expand more on this? It seems unwarranted.

Yes this seems random things pinged my inner voice as I was ISOing.

I’ve already explained and re-explained it, I don’t know how I can make it clearer?

I explained Dunn in my last post.

Re: DNA hydra, I have no clue what would or wouldn’t annoy them because they really haven’t clearly explained their post restriction or if they did, then it went over my head,

~N

[Best Bird]

mmmm

[Frogsterking]

It does appear Puppets is having an easier time explaining Town reads than scum reads.

[Dancing Puppets]

tho I guess I could do it if I was a true tryhard

Pooky is it possible for bird to have this godawful a read on me and still be town here?

so it

is

literally just me saying that your slot is scum...and everything else was just chaff. cool.

No, I really don’t appreciate you continuing to mischaracterizing my posts. Just because I made this statement - in THIS post - doesn’t even remotely negate what I previously posted about your other reads. Are you even honestly trying to solve me or just continue to twist my words?

~N

[MathBlade]

That wasn’t a compliment. I recently played a game where we lost because NM deathtunnelled me for a nai opening post.

um...re-read my post?

I did. Your reads on us, OtH, CSF, Dunn, Taly are bad.

Oh - so there are just certain reads that you disagree with and the rest you are okay with.

Possibly next time say that, and what you disagree with, instead of trying to call them all trash but "your greens are good."

Now that we have a starting point, talk to me about

why

they are bad. I've given my (limited, and at most - hey it's D1) on Dunn, CSF, OtH, Taly, and....you.

Well first off you have us and probably my strongest tr as orange and then you have other strong trs of mine as yellows.

I would seriously like to understand your thought process in that. The greens I like because I obviously vibe with those, so you’re right, your list isn’t all bad. I just don’t understand how you can have those green reads and the other ones I mentioned as being so off.

Can you expand on this? The depth seems lacking. I think you can do better.

C&G, I implore you to ask this question about your post restriction: Do pictures/emojis/GIFS count?

They do.
-Guanine

How much would one count for?
~GE

If I was DNA hydra I would be annoyed by posts like this. If I was the mod I would say a picture is worth a thousand words or some BS like that. What are your reads in the game?

Post 2597 — Dunn being gone for a while or lurking is NAI. Can you expand more on this? It seems unwarranted.

Yes this seems random things pinged my inner voice as I was ISOing.

I’ve already explained and re-explained it, I don’t know how I can make it clearer?

I explained Dunn in my last post.

Re: DNA hydra, I have no clue what would or wouldn’t annoy them because they really haven’t clearly explained their post restriction or if they did, then it went over my head,

~N

Only the first post was directed to you.

I will ruminate on this as I eat. Maybe my inner voice will speak up more later.

I believe DNA hydra has a post restriction from what I have read. 100 words I think?

[Lukewarm]

Reasons I think that Corwin was scum:

Johnny, you had an earlier town read on Luke, do you still feel that way and why?

Yeah, they haven't done anything to disturb that halo on their head. You think I missed something?

Not necessarily. My notes are "Dislike Frog and Luke, feels like ~350ish is s/s [\n] JF TR Luke?" so I've just been meaning to ask about it. Something wasn't rubbing right around then, but I suspect a lot of you have a better feel for him as a player than I do.

The copy paste off of the notes.

The notes look non-useful. But also, they literally never responded to the comments about their notes. They said nothing, but also never mention anything off of their notes again.

I actually think that if they had defended their notes usage I would have felt better about this. But the non-response just felt like them hoping it would go away.

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Only person listed in his lowest tier for scum in 1442 was Mala. But then also seemed annoyed that he was being scum read for lurking.

Both of those are...

fine

on their own, but taken together rub me the wrong way. Like, how can you not be understanding of those scum reads, if you think that the scummiest person in the game is someone that the only words you put towards why you scum read them was

mala who's been both low activity and low content when she is posting.

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A thought that started unrelated to Corwin was thinking about the way that the scum team is apparently treating me. When pooky posted the reads list, and I apparently had 19 town reads and 0 scum reads, I realized that that meant that at some point the entire scum team decided that it was not worth it to fight the growing consensus that I am town.

Obviously, the scum team would not have thought that out the gate. Early on there were a couple of people saying that they are hesitant to town read me in general (pooky, Bella) and some people outright scum reading me (Galron, Rad, Frog).

So the scum team should have thought that there would be possible support against me at some point (unless the scum team is exactly Pooky, Bella, Galron, Rad, Frog lmao), but then at some point this game decided to abandon hope of keeping me from becoming truly consensus.

And when I read through Corwin's iso last night, I felt like I saw that when I looked at his progression on me.

I started to gather up town reads, and he started trying to poke into them with 1107/1114. Floating me as one of his only two voiced scum reads, floating me as a partner to a fairly widely scum read player, and trying to talk Johnny out of town reading me.

But then he was met with strong backlash about his comment about his notes.

And that discussion was completely and totally dropped.

The next time I show up in his iso, almost all of the other reads lists have come out showing how consensus town read I am, and then I am not a scum read in his Reads list of 1442. No comment on anything I did making him think that I was town, no interaction with me, nothing.

And when it was brought up that I was not on there, here was his response.

Aren't you the one who had me and frogster as S+S in your notes? What changed?

That was me. I'm feeling Frog even less; you've just kinda dropped off my radar right now.

He scum reads frog even harder then before, but he just stopped thinking about me.

Which did not jive for me with the fact that his earlier working theory was that we specifically looked partnered. Because if he thinks two players look partnered, and then thinks that one of them is getting even more scummy, I just don't feel like you forget about that other player. If anything, he should have been looking at me even more??

[Dancing Puppets]

but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

Your hydra partner failed to even provide some simple reasons for reads not too long ago so honestly there's not much reason to town read you. If you were asking Penguin for reasons for his reads and he refused you'd scumread him.

How do you figure that?

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: dancing puppets

don't really care where the vc is at this point

VOTE: best bird

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm always down for yeeting Corwin

dude was scummy af when he was here

[Best Bird]

tho I guess I could do it if I was a true tryhard

Pooky is it possible for bird to have this godawful a read on me and still be town here?

so it

is

literally just me saying that your slot is scum...and everything else was just chaff. cool.

No, I really don’t appreciate you continuing to mischaracterizing my posts. Just because I made this statement - in THIS post - doesn’t even remotely negate what I previously posted about your other reads. Are you even honestly trying to solve me or just continue to twist my words?

~N

You're in a hydra and I will respond to what your slot does as a hydra. Work it out in your hydra PT. I won't be acknowleding hydra dissonance here.

[Dancing Puppets]

tho I guess I could do it if I was a true tryhard

Pooky is it possible for bird to have this godawful a read on me and still be town here?

it is in fact possible for town players to think you are not town

He is clearly ignoring my posts and twisting everything I’m saying. If he was town here, he wouldn’t be blatantly ignoring them.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tho I guess I could do it if I was a true tryhard

Pooky is it possible for bird to have this godawful a read on me and still be town here?

it is in fact possible for town players to think you are not town

He is clearly ignoring my posts and twisting everything I’m saying. If he was town here, he wouldn’t be blatantly ignoring them.

if he was scum he wouldn't attack you cuz attacking you is like trying to invade Okinawa with bayonets during WW2.

[Dancing Puppets]

Thank you for doing what your hydra partner couldn't!

She’s been dealing with a lot of rl issues.

[T-Bone]

I think you're interpreting 1763 wrong Luke. He was making the comparison that not all low activity slots were being treated equally and was annoyed since it was his slot getting that unequal attention.

[Lukewarm]

Thank you for doing what your hydra partner couldn't!

I am pretty sure that both the earlier posts refusing to elaborate, and that post elaborating were both coming from Nancy lol

[Dancing Puppets]

but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

Your slot literally called my reads bad, but then said my town reads were good, and when pressed said 4 reads were bad, and then when i asked why the scum reads were bad i was met with responses other then actually helping me understand.

Sorry - help me out here.

I really don’t know how but what’s already in my ISO. Do you seriously think I’m playing anything like I did when I replaced Lilith in that game here?

Like I pushed an flaming obvtown slot - Mena. Like Idk how you cannnot see the difference here? I didn’t try to do any actual solving in that game.

I did like your trs, yes but in addition to knowing your read on us is wrong, I pretty much lock tr OtH. Marci has a distinct alignment-based posting style and Mala gets huge town points for mindmelding with me on that. Also Gamma has a really good meta read on both of our heads.

As for the rest, this is obviously town!Dunn. He’s been really solving and he’s not trying to control the gamestate or push any kind of agenda. Taly is like they were in insect game/Anything uPick/Slaughter Hour. CSF is really bring super solvey as well and that’s extremely town indicative for her.

Did I leave anyone out? can’t remember?

~N

Did he read this post? Obviously not, he’s ignoring very clear evidence that I’m town here.

[Best Bird]

Thank you for doing what your hydra partner couldn't!

I am pretty sure that both the earlier posts refusing to elaborate, and that post elaborating were both coming from Nancy lol

hard to tell when some are signed and some aren't then....

[Cat Scratch Fever]

okay, i feel better about dancing puppets now

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Narrowing down my willing to vote list. Yes there are still 12 names here, no it doesn't mean I'm actively looking to lim you yet. I have just removed the other half of the player list from my consideration one way or another, and haven't had those aha moments for any of these players yet. I'm on the verge of removing a few more names.

Spoiler: WtV List

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Frogsterking
The toad
Enchant
Bellaphant
Klick
Cat Scratch Fever
PenguinPower

This list looks very different from mine. With the exception of The toad, who I'm still rather uncertain about, everyone else here I think is town.

Everyone I'm willing to vote (basically null and scumreads):

Spoiler:

MathBlade
T-Bone
Roden
Taly
Dwlee
C&G
Toad
BBT
Cephrir
Johnny

[Lukewarm]

I think you're interpreting 1763 wrong Luke. He was making the comparison that not all low activity slots were being treated equally and was annoyed since it was his slot getting that unequal attention.

I am aware that the main basis for 1763 was annoyance at how he was being treated.

However, Mala was here in his reads list:

Town:
Corwinoid
Rad
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
--
JohnnyFarrar
T-Bone
--

Null

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Taly Toogeloo
PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Galron
Cephrir
Roden
Dwlee99
Klick
Dunnstral
Lukewarm
PenguinPower
Bellaphant

--
BlueBloodedToffee
The toad

Frogsterking
Enchant
Bell
--
Scum

Malakittens

And, when I searched his iso as to why, that was the closest thing that I could find to a reason

[Best Bird]

but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

Your slot literally called my reads bad, but then said my town reads were good, and when pressed said 4 reads were bad, and then when i asked why the scum reads were bad i was met with responses other then actually helping me understand.

Sorry - help me out here.

I really don’t know how but what’s already in my ISO. Do you seriously think I’m playing anything like I did when I replaced Lilith in that game here?

Like I pushed an flaming obvtown slot - Mena. Like Idk how you cannnot see the difference here? I didn’t try to do any actual solving in that game.

I did like your trs, yes but in addition to knowing your read on us is wrong, I pretty much lock tr OtH. Marci has a distinct alignment-based posting style and Mala gets huge town points for mindmelding with me on that. Also Gamma has a really good meta read on both of our heads.

As for the rest, this is obviously town!Dunn. He’s been really solving and he’s not trying to control the gamestate or push any kind of agenda. Taly is like they were in insect game/Anything uPick/Slaughter Hour. CSF is really bring super solvey as well and that’s extremely town indicative for her.

Did I leave anyone out? can’t remember?

~N

Did he read this post? Obviously not, he’s ignoring very clear evidence that I’m town here.

but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

Your slot literally called my reads bad, but then said my town reads were good, and when pressed said 4 reads were bad, and then when i asked why the scum reads were bad i was met with responses other then actually helping me understand.

Sorry - help me out here.

I really don’t know how but what’s already in my ISO. Do you seriously think I’m playing anything like I did when I replaced Lilith in that game here?

Like I pushed an flaming obvtown slot - Mena. Like Idk how you cannnot see the difference here? I didn’t try to do any actual solving in that game.

I did like your trs, yes but in addition to knowing your read on us is wrong, I pretty much lock tr OtH. Marci has a distinct alignment-based posting style and Mala gets huge town points for mindmelding with me on that. Also Gamma has a really good meta read on both of our heads.

As for the rest, this is obviously town!Dunn. He’s been really solving and he’s not trying to control the gamestate or push any kind of agenda. Taly is like they were in insect game/Anything uPick/Slaughter Hour. CSF is really bring super solvey as well and that’s extremely town indicative for her.

Did I leave anyone out? can’t remember?

~N

idk what game you are talking about wrt me and you playing.

appreciate the input on dunn, csf, and taly, but i don't agree atm. maybe i can push dunn up a slot.

Maybe

you

should read.

[Frogsterking]

2741 lamist

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Did he read this post? Obviously not, he’s ignoring very clear evidence that I’m town here.

ok I don't know if you know this but.

Players cannot provide "clear evidence" that they are town because if they

could

they would simply

do it when they are mafia too

[Dancing Puppets]

but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

Your slot literally called my reads bad, but then said my town reads were good, and when pressed said 4 reads were bad, and then when i asked why the scum reads were bad i was met with responses other then actually helping me understand.

Sorry - help me out here.

I really don’t know how but what’s already in my ISO. Do you seriously think I’m playing anything like I did when I replaced Lilith in that game here?

Like I pushed an flaming obvtown slot - Mena. Like Idk how you cannnot see the difference here? I didn’t try to do any actual solving in that game.

I did like your trs, yes but in addition to knowing your read on us is wrong, I pretty much lock tr OtH. Marci has a distinct alignment-based posting style and Mala gets huge town points for mindmelding with me on that. Also Gamma has a really good meta read on both of our heads.

As for the rest, this is obviously town!Dunn. He’s been really solving and he’s not trying to control the gamestate or push any kind of agenda. Taly is like they were in insect game/Anything uPick/Slaughter Hour. CSF is really bring super solvey as well and that’s extremely town indicative for her.

Did I leave anyone out? can’t remember?

~N

idk what game you are talking about wrt me and you playing.

appreciate the input on dunn, csf, and taly, but i don't agree atm. maybe i can push dunn up a slot.

PYP where I was in a scum hydra with Pooky and replaced Lillith and you played on this account.

[T-Bone]

Thank you for doing what your hydra partner couldn't!

She’s been dealing with a lot of rl issues.

That's fine. I was just very frustrated that your slot was just saying "ISO me" instead of explaining the reads. Like, I get that meta reasoning is already flimsy and I won't hold it against you, I have flimsy reasons for reads at this stage of the game too. But if you're town cooperation is always preferred. There are 2800 posts in this game it's not anyone's job to memorize anyone's posts.