LOST (Game Over)

[Bell]

I am going to try to go to bed again and

hope people actually talk reads

Rather than repeat the same silliness of d1 and expect different results

Doing the same thing and expecting different results has a definition…let’s call it unintelligence

I am talking reads. I'm scum reading you, I made a case.
Good night.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Hello I haven't played for 2 years so I'm a bit rusty and old doge.
So I hope you guys won't mislim me that would be horrible.

I havent read anything yet.
Is there anything I need to know before I start

Hey there, also @CSF this was the player in the game when you were wolf, this was the town that TR'ed me but I SR'ed them and you won.

[MathBlade]

Hello I haven't played for 2 years so I'm a bit rusty and old doge.
So I hope you guys won't mislim me that would be horrible.

I havent read anything yet.
Is there anything I need to know before I start

I would say start from flips and play as you go

Game is too fast to try to read before posting

Mason Roden/Dwlee
Dunn claimed something comfirmable
Frog claimed two shot role cop
Lots of hoods someone has list

C&G and I are in one

[ProfessorDrapion]

I am analyzing things.

I just don’t start assuming the question.

Information ans analysis are equal.

My point is you can’t assume one way or another

I know I am town

I know because people think I suck I don’t get wagoned unless I am a threat

I didn’t have firm reads so what was I doing

I was unifying town to talk

Therefore I was wagoned for that reason

That's why you KNOW your town, I know I'm town because that was the alignment I received.

[MathBlade]

I am going to try to go to bed again and

hope people actually talk reads

Rather than repeat the same silliness of d1 and expect different results

Doing the same thing and expecting different results has a definition…let’s call it unintelligence

I am talking reads. I'm scum reading you, I made a case.
Good night.

Imho you didn’t

You not understanding me is not a case

It’s you don’t understand me

Which hooray almost impossible

[Bell]

Neighborhoods:

Luke+Malcolm.
Bell+Taly
T-bone+Johnny.
Mathblade + T+G
Roden+Dwlee.

dunno who else, but that's close to half the game.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Hello I haven't played for 2 years so I'm a bit rusty and old doge.
So I hope you guys won't mislim me that would be horrible.

I havent read anything yet.
Is there anything I need to know before I start

Poor guy

Hey there, also @CSF this was the player in the game when you were wolf, this was the town that TR'ed me but I SR'ed them and you won.

I already said I believe you about that game, since I believe I found it

but tbh I do not recognize this player

[Mislim Bait]

Hello I haven't played for 2 years so I'm a bit rusty and old doge.
So I hope you guys won't mislim me that would be horrible.

I havent read anything yet.
Is there anything I need to know before I start

Hey there, also @CSF this was the player in the game when you were wolf, this was the town that TR'ed me but I SR'ed them and you won.

I only got few games and a 100% town win rate so maybe you got the wrong person?

[Bell]

I am going to try to go to bed again and

hope people actually talk reads

Rather than repeat the same silliness of d1 and expect different results

Doing the same thing and expecting different results has a definition…let’s call it unintelligence

I am talking reads. I'm scum reading you, I made a case.
Good night.

Imho you didn’t

You not understanding me is not a case

It’s you don’t understand me

Which hooray almost impossible

You're redefining what a case is. you're arguing that unless the party is guilty than it's not a case. As not understanding someone in this context, is not "you are misinterpreting a specific word I said" but that "you are misinterpreting you as a whole"
Your opinion is wrong on a fundamental level. Because your definition of a case is wrong.
A case is an argument for why someone is town or scum. It does not imply accuracy.

[Lukewarm]

I was wagoned because I tried to make people talk.

This is an incredulously bad summary of how your wagon happened.

I don’t think so

I tried to get people to work together

People voted me
I countered the naked repetition of same reasons
Then wagon dispersed

Now today it’s the same thing

I try to start discussion about BBT
Naked votes on me
Already debunked reasons
Leading to repetition

This

feels

revisionist

I did not feel like you were making an effort to be The Person Calling For More Team Work and Less Heroes, until after your wagon came into existence (and possibly even after it dispersed, but I need to look back at your iso to see)

Okay. Looked into this.


I identified this as the 2700's as where his wagon started, with:
My scum case 2731
Pooky votes 2776
Rad votes 2788
CSF votes 2791


So started there in his iso, and worked backwards.

The only post that I can kinda see that fits math's description here is 2669.

After finishing the VCs I can go for a Frog wagon I think

We need to start kinda discussing big game picture.

My inner voice kinda still pings me that Bell is scum but I think it might be better to delay it and get a rough idea how D1 is going in general.

If Frog is scum then prob lock town Cephrir

If Frog is town then either my initial assessment of Cephrir is wrong or there’s scum in the hyperposters

VOTE: Frog

Math said that "we need to start kinda discussing big game picture" and then started pushing Frog. Then his wagon started.

Math is now trying to frame that wagon as happening because he was trying to get the town to work together, and that he was a "threat to scum" -- while he was actively voting town.

It is revisionist.

[Bell]

better analogy: This is like saying the prosecution doesn't have a case, because they don't understand the defense. smh.

[Lukewarm]

It also feels like this is just posturing, when he is trying to frame his wagon as

I was wagoned because I tried to make people talk.

I was wagoned Corwin wasn’t.

Reason I was a threat to scum

But also, don't commit to calling me scum

Math how are you reading me this game?

I waffle on you.

When, he seemed to think that I was the main driving force behind his wagon starting as it started

I’m Sun. You can figure it out from there. If you can’t I’ll consult with my inner voice to me more explicit.

My opinion on the Hydra posting restriction, is that if it is real he is likely in a neighborhood with Sun.

That would give the slot an outlet to talk as much as they waty, and a way to keep communicating after they have run out of words (Jin getting Sun to "translate" for him). We also know that there is at least 2 claimed neighborhoods at this point. Could be with Toog, or could be a 3rd hood.

Can you like back off please if you’re town?

It’s hard enough trying to read everything and relay the hood properly and catch up.

If you think I am scum push me tomorrow or the next day

It’s really destructive and unfun to push me right now.

I was really hoping you’d see what I was saying if you’re town and why I scumread you.

I should not have had to claim here.

I'm off for bed.

I not sure why you responded to that post in particular, because that had nothing to do with your alignment and everything to do with me bragging about predicting your role existing like 1,500 posts ago.

Also not sure why the claim came now anyways. I've managed to rally what, 3 total votes against you? Lol

But regardless, I'm off for the night

Because you’re the main focus

I can’t hyperpost like I used to and have work in the AM.

There is a high likelihood you just spam the thread then I die and Jin can’t talk.

So I brought it up with DNA and asked.

[Mislim Bait]

Hello I haven't played for 2 years so I'm a bit rusty and old doge.
So I hope you guys won't mislim me that would be horrible.

I havent read anything yet.
Is there anything I need to know before I start

I would say start from flips and play as you go

Game is too fast to try to read before posting

Mason Roden/Dwlee
Dunn claimed something comfirmable
Frog claimed two shot role cop
Lots of hoods someone has list

C&G and I are in one

is the mason thing confirmed?
I'll probably just start reading with isos
from the looks of it I'm pretty sure one of the neighborhoods got wolves so maybe look at their partner when one of them flips town

[Lukewarm]

Neighborhoods:

Luke+Malcolm.
Bell+Taly
T-bone+Johnny.
Mathblade + T+G
Roden+Dwlee.

dunno who else, but that's close to half the game.

Klick replacement and Dancing Puppets

[MathBlade]

I could see it possible scum can’t coordinate based on the lack of wagoning.

I have no reason to think that this is the case?

Scum team is already smaller then it probably should be for a game this size. I would feel pretty bad for them if they also don't even have day talk x.x

I can. I have been scum without daytalk or night talk on MS before. We had to send PMs to the mod. It was a thing.

I could see something similar here.

It’s just really odd in 100+ posts we haven’t had a good wagon besides start of day.

There’s gotta be a reason.

Damn Luke didn’t look hard

Took me 5 seconds

Wow

Read my iso from there

Asking questions about why no wagons working to bring people together

[MathBlade]

Hello I haven't played for 2 years so I'm a bit rusty and old doge.
So I hope you guys won't mislim me that would be horrible.

I havent read anything yet.
Is there anything I need to know before I start

I would say start from flips and play as you go

Game is too fast to try to read before posting

Mason Roden/Dwlee
Dunn claimed something comfirmable
Frog claimed two shot role cop
Lots of hoods someone has list

C&G and I are in one

is the mason thing confirmed?
I'll probably just start reading with isos
from the looks of it I'm pretty sure one of the neighborhoods got wolves so maybe look at their partner when one of them flips town

Mechanically confirmed no, but I find them lying about masons unlikely

[Bell]

The only wagon at day start that I can remember is Cephrir's. Which we know wasn't a good wagon because they flipped town.

[Lukewarm]

The entire argument is Corwin wasn’t active

And “I don’t understand Math”

It’s just the same repeated Corwin wasn’t active

But it’s more Corwin wasn’t active which was already established.

“Math is scum”

“Why?”

Because Corwin

“Why?”

Because they were inactive

They had RL

Like that’s it

______________________________


Also:

Reasons I think that Corwin was scum:

Johnny, you had an earlier town read on Luke, do you still feel that way and why?

Yeah, they haven't done anything to disturb that halo on their head. You think I missed something?

Not necessarily. My notes are "Dislike Frog and Luke, feels like ~350ish is s/s [\n] JF TR Luke?" so I've just been meaning to ask about it. Something wasn't rubbing right around then, but I suspect a lot of you have a better feel for him as a player than I do.

The copy paste off of the notes.

The notes look non-useful

---

Only person listed in his lowest tier for scum in 1442 was Mala. But then also seemed annoyed that he was being scum read for lurking.

Both of those are...

fine

on their own, but taken together rub me the wrong way. Like, how can you not be understanding of those scum reads, if you think that the scummiest person in the game is someone that the only words you put towards why you scum read them was

mala who's been both low activity and low content when she is posting.

---

A thought that started unrelated to Corwin was thinking about the way that the scum team is apparently treating me. When pooky posted the reads list, and I apparently had 19 town reads and 0 scum reads, I realized that that meant that at some point the entire scum team decided that it was not worth it to fight the growing consensus that I am town.

Obviously, the scum team would not have thought that out the gate. Early on there were a couple of people saying that they are hesitant to town read me in general (pooky, Bella) and some people outright scum reading me (Galron, Rad, Frog).

So the scum team should have thought that there would be possible support against me at some point (unless the scum team is exactly Pooky, Bella, Galron, Rad, Frog lmao), but then at some point this game decided to abandon hope of keeping me from becoming truly consensus.

And when I read through Corwin's iso last night, I felt like I saw that when I looked at his progression on me.

I started to gather up town reads, and he started trying to poke into them with 1107/1114. Floating me as one of his only two voiced scum reads, floating me as a partner to a fairly widely scum read player, and trying to talk Johnny out of town reading me.

But then he was met with strong backlash about his comment about his notes.

And that discussion was completely and totally dropped.

The next time I show up in his iso, almost all of the other reads lists have come out showing how consensus town read I am, and then I am not a scum read in his Reads list of 1442. No comment on anything I did making him think that I was town, no interaction with me, nothing.

And when it was brought up that I was not on there, here was his response.

Aren't you the one who had me and frogster as S+S in your notes? What changed?

That was me. I'm feeling Frog even less; you've just kinda dropped off my radar right now.

He scum reads frog even harder then before, but he just stopped thinking about me.

Which did not jive for me with the fact that his earlier working theory was that we specifically looked partnered. Because if he thinks two players look partnered, and then thinks that one of them is getting even more scummy, I just don't feel like you forget about that other player. If anything, he should have been looking at me even more??

[Mislim Bait]

Flavor

you may only vote for Taly or Cephrir

Vote Count 1.31

13 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly, Off the Hook, Malakittens, Lukewarm, T-Bone, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets, Mathblade, RCEnigma, Bell)
7 Taly (Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, Roden, Cat Scratch Fever)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, Best Bird)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Replacing Klick
Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
Best Bird V/LA
Taly V/LA
Lukewarm V/LA
Mathblade V/LA
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

So three of taly's voters flip town
1 is mason and 1 is klick which is the person I subbed for and know that is town.
any reason why we shouldn't speed lunch taly here?
I'll try to read malcolm and cat

[Lukewarm]

I could see it possible scum can’t coordinate based on the lack of wagoning.

I have no reason to think that this is the case?

Scum team is already smaller then it probably should be for a game this size. I would feel pretty bad for them if they also don't even have day talk x.x

I can. I have been scum without daytalk or night talk on MS before. We had to send PMs to the mod. It was a thing.

I could see something similar here.

It’s just really odd in 100+ posts we haven’t had a good wagon besides start of day.

There’s gotta be a reason.

Damn Luke didn’t look hard

Took me 5 seconds

Wow

Read my iso from there

Asking questions about why no wagons working to bring people together

Its almost as if that post (2882) comes after you started getting votes, and felt so pressured that you felt the need to claim your flavor and your role (2850), and therefore cannot be the reason why the wagon started.

I too am shocked that I missed this post when looking to see if your claim was revisionist.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: Mathblade

[Enchant]

VOTE: Taly

Lunch

[MathBlade]

I could see it possible scum can’t coordinate based on the lack of wagoning.

I have no reason to think that this is the case?

Scum team is already smaller then it probably should be for a game this size. I would feel pretty bad for them if they also don't even have day talk x.x

I can. I have been scum without daytalk or night talk on MS before. We had to send PMs to the mod. It was a thing.

I could see something similar here.

It’s just really odd in 100+ posts we haven’t had a good wagon besides start of day.

There’s gotta be a reason.

Damn Luke didn’t look hard

Took me 5 seconds

Wow

Read my iso from there

Asking questions about why no wagons working to bring people together

Its almost as if that post (2882) comes after you started getting votes, and felt so pressured that you felt the need to claim your flavor and your role (2850), and therefore cannot be the reason why the wagon started.

I too am shocked that I missed this post when looking to see if your claim was revisionist.

I got the events out of order

Give me a second

[Lukewarm]

Anyways. I'm voting Math.

Goodnight

[Save The Dragons]

Replacing Dwlee99