LOST (Game Over)

[Off The Hook]

thanks ms, now I feel like a dick

~GE

[T-Bone]

No then we're playing right into Ceph!scum's hands or something

[Dancing Puppets]

I was already voting for Taly, but in case this resets the vote count:

VOTE: Taly

How about Taly today then?

Why does this make Taly scum?

[Off The Hook]

Rephrasing Bells position, as i understand it:

"Nancy is willing to bet the game on Taly being town. Fine. But she only gets one read that I am going to just sheep her on"

If anything, I am surprised that Bell is just accepting that Veto, so i am confused why this is phrased like he should be allowing Nancy more then one, and you are questioning why he is only giving her the one

do u want an answer?

~GE

[T-Bone]

Sorry sarcasm isn't helpful I just can't help myself sometimes I'll try to be better

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because Dunn died for reasons?

Or for the same reasons you decided to try and scum read me?

[Lukewarm]

Rephrasing Bells position, as i understand it:

"Nancy is willing to bet the game on Taly being town. Fine. But she only gets one read that I am going to just sheep her on"

If anything, I am surprised that Bell is just accepting that Veto, so i am confused why this is phrased like he should be allowing Nancy more then one, and you are questioning why he is only giving her the one

do u want an answer?

~GE

Yes.

What about him saying he won't accept multiple vetos from Nancy makes you think scum over town?

[Dancing Puppets]

STD has confirmed the IC thing is bogus, so maybe revote there?

Btw, extremely solid on Taly!town here. I hard veto any votes on them.

This is the only veto I'm going to accept this game from your slot.
You can stop campaigning for it.

I have other ones like OtH, so I will veto anyone I hard tr.

If you want to play alone this game, okay.

???

OtH is like my strongest tr, so why wouldn’t I veto them?

I have thoughts on this but I wanna hash out opinions w marci first before vocalizing

~GE

btw my thought on this was: think there might be a reason Bell doesn't want to allow you more than one veto?
ik you think Bell is town but I feel like his play very well serves a possible scum agenda.

~GE

Rephrasing Bells position, as i understand it:

"Nancy is willing to bet the game on Taly being town. Fine. But she only gets one read that I am going to just sheep her on"

If anything, I am surprised that Bell is just accepting that Veto, so i am confused why this is phrased like he should be allowing Nancy more then one, and you are questioning why he is only giving her the one

Gamma knows I have an extremely good reliability rate wrt my townreads and I will veto any wagons I strongly disagree with no matter who doesn’t like it.

[T-Bone]

There's 23 of us the idea anyone gets vetos is laughable. (But also I get wanting to not trigger the thread to become unbearable with repeated posts)

[Off The Hook]

No then we're playing right into Ceph!scum's hands or something

~GE

[Dancing Puppets]

BBT is still scum.

I highlight a FoS.
He misrepresents that I'm stating he must be scum.
He claims my initial review is shit and he loves VCA.
He won't do any scumhunting or VCA.

BBT is just playing the victim here.

~Titus

[Off The Hook]

Rephrasing Bells position, as i understand it:

"Nancy is willing to bet the game on Taly being town. Fine. But she only gets one read that I am going to just sheep her on"

If anything, I am surprised that Bell is just accepting that Veto, so i am confused why this is phrased like he should be allowing Nancy more then one, and you are questioning why he is only giving her the one

do u want an answer?

~GE

Yes.

What about him saying he won't accept multiple vetos from Nancy makes you think scum over town?

my belief is scum wanted Taly out before he becomes unassailable by being obvtown
I think Bell acted in such a manner via his baselessly strong push for Taly's death D1, and I think he would view it as furthering wincon if he could trade a Taly veto for locking DP out of any further vetoes.

~GE

[T-Bone]

That you're leaning into the "veto" is crazy.

[Lukewarm]

Gamma knows I have an extremely good reliability rate wrt my townreads and I will veto any wagons I strongly disagree with no matter who doesn’t like it.

Sure. Fine.

But you and Bell were using Veto to mean different things.

You meant: I town read this list of players so hard, that I will go to bat to defend them if they are under pressure. Obviously, it makes sense for you to do that for as many slots as you town read.

Bell meant: Nancy is asking me to ignore my own scum read because she town read Taly. I am only willing to ignore a max of 1 scum read for the benefit of Nancy. Obviously, it makes sense for Bell to not be willing to completely limit his pushes based on your town reads.

If anything, him agreeing to ignore his own scum read on Taly, for your benefit, is above and beyond what he would be expected or required to do. And I don't get why Gamma is acting like it is suspicious that Bell would not want to do that for more then 1 person.

[Taly]

btw Bell might be a slot we're actually synced on

~GE

I don’t understand your Bell read at all and yes, I did click your link to Among Us and I don’t see any similarity with this game.

Among Us was only relevant to the no-lim discussion
I would potentially compare him to Shakespeare UPick instead. You weren't in it, but Titus was.

~GE

Link?

I was already voting for Taly, but in case this resets the vote count:

VOTE: Taly

How about Taly today then?

Why

[Off The Hook]

BBT is still scum.

I highlight a FoS.
He misrepresents that I'm stating he must be scum.
He claims my initial review is shit and he loves VCA.
He won't do any scumhunting or VCA.

BBT is just playing the victim here.

~Titus

T-bone is also doing this sort of crap with the "but muh ceph!scum push!" BS

~GE

[Off The Hook]

Gamma knows I have an extremely good reliability rate wrt my townreads and I will veto any wagons I strongly disagree with no matter who doesn’t like it.

Sure. Fine.

But you and Bell were using Veto to mean different things.

You meant: I town read this list of players so hard, that I will go to bat to defend them if they are under pressure. Obviously, it makes sense for you to do that for as many slots as you town read.

Bell meant: Nancy is asking me to ignore my own scum read because she town read Taly. I am only willing to ignore a max of 1 scum read for the benefit of Nancy. Obviously, it makes sense for Bell to not be willing to completely limit his pushes based on your town reads.

If anything, him agreeing to ignore his own scum read on Taly, for your benefit, is above and beyond what he would be expected or required to do. And I don't get why Gamma is acting like it is suspicious that Bell would not want to do that for more then 1 person.

I view a veto as a permanent affair, non-negotiable after the person demanding the veto has exited the game
what reason would I have to view it differently?

~GE

[Taly]

My ability to think clearly is compromised I'll be back tomorrow if I don't meme

[T-Bone]

I don't know that there are many players hanging off of every word or read from DP, either Nancy or Titus, that would even necessitate a veto system. The fact that you're pushing that a) Bell should be or b) anyone should is strange

[T-Bone]

BBT is still scum.

I highlight a FoS.
He misrepresents that I'm stating he must be scum.
He claims my initial review is shit and he loves VCA.
He won't do any scumhunting or VCA.

BBT is just playing the victim here.

~Titus

T-bone is also doing this sort of crap with the "but muh ceph!scum push!" BS

~GE

What?

[Taly]

Feeling mad icky like mud

[T-Bone]

Weren't you the one claiming (or agreeing with the person claiming) that scum would magically try and lim Taly on Day 2 because they knew Ceph would flip town? I'm sorry if I'm misattributing that take to you...but that's the take I was mocking.

[Off The Hook]

My point specifically is that 1 veto only seems particularly scum-driven in order to mitigate DP's ability to interfere with Bell's pushes. I don't really feel that Bell should be specifically granting DP a veto and the fact that you're pushing that I am is strange.

[T-Bone]

You're certainly making it sound like you are! And that I wasn't the only person to think that...maybe it isn't me being strange but you not communicating clearly?

[Off The Hook]

Weren't you the one claiming (or agreeing with the person claiming) that scum would magically try and lim Taly on Day 2 because they knew Ceph would flip town? I'm sorry if I'm misattributing that take to you...but that's the take I was mocking.

I believe I said if Ceph was town then scum pushed him into the Taly gladiate for the motive I have outlined. I don't see what 8526 accomplishes other than a) being a shithead and b) trying to deconstruct my argument against you pre-emptively because while you weren't a leading suspect for me att, you were definitely a part of why Taly got gladiated over anyone else.

~GE