LOST (Game Over)

[Enchant]

That ending comes off more aggressive than I intend. I just think a lot of people are dumb telling and it’s grinding on me a bit.

Who? Name and shame!

What i miss

Why is Taly scum?

Where i said Taly is mafia?

You're voting Taly?????

Yeah.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I think I played a game with hectic where they used enchants current avi, is throwing me off

P-omg

[Cat Scratch Fever]

If it helps, I feel pretty strongly that OTH and Bell are both town.

@Enchant - why are you voting for Taly over the other wagons then?

[Off The Hook]

What a post for ms to glitch on

~GE

[Enchant]

Wanted to see who will be pissed off and start white knighing hard.

I think regardless of Taly alignment, mafia white knighting her. It's like 99%.
Will soon vote one of these, need to think which one though.

[Off The Hook]

Also wtf was with the 10 post gap between the wall and the content?

~GE

[Bell]

Are you taking your stress out on me OTH?
Please don't.

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler:

And to be clear Gamma.

I accept exactly Zero (0) vetoes from Nancy.

So, it really confuses me to see you say that Bell, if town, should be willing to accept More Then One (>1) Veto for nancy, or conversely, you see scum motivation behind being unwilling to accept multiple from her.

I don't think town!Bell should have accepted a veto
I'm saying scum!Bell only accepting the 1 veto serves a long-term purpose of limiting DP's ability to interfere. No more, no less. I'm getting really fucking tired of you assclowns misrepresenting my arguments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude....

btw my thought on this was:

think there might be a reason

Bell doesn't want to

allow you more than one veto?

ik you think Bell is town but I feel like his play very well serves a possible scum agenda.

~GE

This wording implies, that not wanting "more than one veto" was the thing that you were questioning.

If that is not what you meant, then feel free to reword.

But all I can go off of is what you said.

And what you said was that not allowing "more than one veto" serves a scum agenda.

Let’s break this down a little better.
Here’s my concept of a town!Bell thought process seeing Nancy ask for a veto:
“I respect Nancy’s reads enough that her going to this extent in Taly’s defense sways me”
OR
“I don’t think Nancy has the strong read rate on certain slots as she says, so I want to stick to my guns”

Here’s my concept of a scum!Bell thought process:
“I want to get Taly miselimmed, but I think giving up one miselim to push several more with less resistance would be of long-term value”

does it make more sense now?

~GE

And to be clear Gamma.

I accept exactly Zero (0) vetoes from Nancy.

So, it really confuses me to see you say that Bell, if town, should be willing to accept More Then One (>1) Veto for nancy, or conversely, you see scum motivation behind being unwilling to accept multiple from her.

I don't think town!Bell should have accepted a veto
I'm saying scum!Bell only accepting the 1 veto serves a long-term purpose of limiting DP's ability to interfere. No more, no less. I'm getting really fucking tired of you assclowns misrepresenting my arguments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude....

btw my thought on this was:

think there might be a reason

Bell doesn't want to

allow you more than one veto?

ik you think Bell is town but I feel like his play very well serves a possible scum agenda.

~GE

This wording implies, that not wanting "more than one veto" was the thing that you were questioning.

If that is not what you meant, then feel free to reword.

But all I can go off of is what you said.

And what you said was that not allowing "more than one veto" serves a scum agenda.

Let’s break this down a little better.
Here’s my concept of a town!Bell thought process seeing Nancy ask for a veto:
“I respect Nancy’s reads enough that her going to this extent in Taly’s defense sways me”
OR
“I don’t think Nancy has the strong read rate on certain slots as she says, so I want to stick to my guns”

Here’s my concept of a scum!Bell thought process:
“I want to get Taly miselimmed, but I think giving up one miselim to push several more with less resistance would be of long-term value”

does it make more sense now?

~GE

@Gamma, why would scum!Bell be that dead set on getting Taly miselimed? They’re only a neigbour. If you won’t listen to me on this, how about Pooky? He caught scum!Bell red handed in HappyFace and he’s totally mindmelding with me on town!Bell read.

[Off The Hook]

1. Don't remove yourself from the list.
2. Don't do this.
3. Elaborate on how Mathblade has made the pool smaller. Elaborate on the reasoning why MB might want to go attack BBT when they know in the day coming in they're going to be wagoned.
4. Why are you removing C&G by extension?
5.
a. Sure. Possibly wrong but sure.
b. Scum team can alter Rad's decision making. so don't really get it. It depends on how assertive Rad is, though I also think it was a relatively plain kill. Dunn was participating more than either Dwlee or Roden and likely was going to confirm himself. It wasn't a very paranoid or controversial kill in my opinion. Though I think they would have been better off killing the masons. But they don't have to deal with the mason's in thread. While they would have with Dunn.
c. A mystery novel take.
6. This is really assuming that the scum team wanted to gamble on Dunn not being able to confirm himself. It might point to them not having a role blocker role tho. I wouldn't know for sure.

What is this about?

[T-Bone]

I dislike T-Bone's vote on Off the Hook. Aside from 8455, which was probably a joke, I feel like you're avoiding giving a read on BBT and commenting on that wagon.

I mean I don't particularly care about this wagon, what exactly did you want me to comment on?

[T-Bone]

It also wasn't a joke. I'm just always suspicious of wagons I don't start.

[T-Bone]

It also wasn't a joke. I'm just always suspicious of wagons I don't start.

[Dancing Puppets]

If it helps, I feel pretty strongly that OTH and Bell are both town.

@Enchant - why are you voting for Taly over the other wagons then?

+1

CSF=the voice of reason

[T-Bone]

Wow MS is having a night

[JohnnyFarrar]

What is this about?

Me

[Off The Hook]

Are you taking your stress out on me OTH?
Please don't.

Honestly yeah a little, but it’s pent-up rage because the reading comprehension of this website’s player base is so notoriously shitty that I have to obsessively tag my posts so if my hydra partner isn’t feel it, I can still have it HOPEFULLY be transparent who posted what! That’s why my outburst at BBT was tagged, so while I don’t

think

anyone took his accusation based on that seriously, it’s a nonsense one because I basically have eternal paranoia whenever I’m hydraing.

~GE

[Rad]

Since there's 5 scum, I think it's unlikely that Rad would be the one dictating the NKs in any scumteam in this list, given their relative inexperience.

I don't disagree, but we live in a thread where it's entirely possible that Rad is the most active scum

That's actually fair

Nah CSF's initial thought is correct here. Even if I'm scum I'm not the scum strategy leader. If you'd like to see my previous game's scum pt to see for yourself, I do not have the knowledge or confidence to run a large game scum team's strat. RCE can also confirm.

If you wanna believe I'm scum it's going to have to be something that actually makes sense cause this theory is DoA regardless of my alignment in this game.

[Bell]

Makes sense to me.

[Dancing Puppets]

Wow MS is having a night

Yep, it’s been glitching all day, with all of the continual influx of new posts, it’s super annoying. My browser just keeps freezing on me sometimes when I press “submit”.

[Bell]

That was at OTH not Rad.

[Off The Hook]

I think most of us read Dunn as claiming friendly neighbor, but that wasn't his role, we would have heard from someone by now.

Dunn could have been crumbing FV instead.
Dunn could have hit scum with either that aren’t claiming
Dunn could have sent to a JK’d target
Dunn could have been PGO (which also loosely fits with his crumb but I find it unlikely with math bringing up vig day 1 and then we end up with 2 town deaths by chance.

You have the wrong idea of how JK works

~GE

[Enchant]

Mafia hiding something is not in their interest, because there's confirmed interaction between ded and live.

[Off The Hook]

Anyone who seriously thinks Gamma and Marci’s arguing isn’t real, you’re nuts. This is almost identical to me and Titus in PA.

FYI it was a Nancy+Mathblade hydra that taught me that hydra dissonance can be town-indicative, so this stance makes sense. I also made that note to Titus and Malakittens in a recent game, as an attempt to get them to try and play into it since we were scum buddies. It didn’t happen though so as I see things my tell didn’t take any damage that game.

~GE

[Off The Hook]

Spoiler:

And to be clear Gamma.

I accept exactly Zero (0) vetoes from Nancy.

So, it really confuses me to see you say that Bell, if town, should be willing to accept More Then One (>1) Veto for nancy, or conversely, you see scum motivation behind being unwilling to accept multiple from her.

I don't think town!Bell should have accepted a veto
I'm saying scum!Bell only accepting the 1 veto serves a long-term purpose of limiting DP's ability to interfere. No more, no less. I'm getting really fucking tired of you assclowns misrepresenting my arguments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude....

btw my thought on this was:

think there might be a reason

Bell doesn't want to

allow you more than one veto?

ik you think Bell is town but I feel like his play very well serves a possible scum agenda.

~GE

This wording implies, that not wanting "more than one veto" was the thing that you were questioning.

If that is not what you meant, then feel free to reword.

But all I can go off of is what you said.

And what you said was that not allowing "more than one veto" serves a scum agenda.

Let’s break this down a little better.
Here’s my concept of a town!Bell thought process seeing Nancy ask for a veto:
“I respect Nancy’s reads enough that her going to this extent in Taly’s defense sways me”
OR
“I don’t think Nancy has the strong read rate on certain slots as she says, so I want to stick to my guns”

Here’s my concept of a scum!Bell thought process:
“I want to get Taly miselimmed, but I think giving up one miselim to push several more with less resistance would be of long-term value”

does it make more sense now?

~GE

And to be clear Gamma.

I accept exactly Zero (0) vetoes from Nancy.

So, it really confuses me to see you say that Bell, if town, should be willing to accept More Then One (>1) Veto for nancy, or conversely, you see scum motivation behind being unwilling to accept multiple from her.

I don't think town!Bell should have accepted a veto
I'm saying scum!Bell only accepting the 1 veto serves a long-term purpose of limiting DP's ability to interfere. No more, no less. I'm getting really fucking tired of you assclowns misrepresenting my arguments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude....

btw my thought on this was:

think there might be a reason

Bell doesn't want to

allow you more than one veto?

ik you think Bell is town but I feel like his play very well serves a possible scum agenda.

~GE

This wording implies, that not wanting "more than one veto" was the thing that you were questioning.

If that is not what you meant, then feel free to reword.

But all I can go off of is what you said.

And what you said was that not allowing "more than one veto" serves a scum agenda.

Let’s break this down a little better.
Here’s my concept of a town!Bell thought process seeing Nancy ask for a veto:
“I respect Nancy’s reads enough that her going to this extent in Taly’s defense sways me”
OR
“I don’t think Nancy has the strong read rate on certain slots as she says, so I want to stick to my guns”

Here’s my concept of a scum!Bell thought process:
“I want to get Taly miselimmed, but I think giving up one miselim to push several more with less resistance would be of long-term value”

does it make more sense now?

~GE

@Gamma, why would scum!Bell be that dead set on getting Taly miselimed? They’re only a neigbour. If you won’t listen to me on this, how about Pooky? He caught scum!Bell red handed in HappyFace and he’s totally mindmelding with me on town!Bell read.

Taly was pretty clear that his alignment becomes clearer late-game. If Taly is town, who gets harmed by that becoming obvious? Scum! Bell also had similar behavior toward Cephrir back when that wagon first happened. So I feel like there’s a not-good pattern of behavior from Bell.

~GE

[T-Bone]

Doing some quick work to organize my reads as they are floating around in my head. I'll explain these, but I also want to make time and explain my reads on the flipped players per the Professor's request earlier. Yesterday I just did willing to vote for/not willing to vote for, but I had a little more thought today about where I would put players.

Spoiler: Read Matrix

Lock Town
Rad
Lukewarm

Lean Town
Mathblade
Bell
JohnnyFarrar
Roden
Dwlee99

Null to Town
PookyTheMagicalBear
Dancing Puppets
BlueBloodedToffee

Null
Bellaphant
Mislim Bait
PenguinPower
Taly
MalcolmTucker
RCEnigma

Null to Scum
Cat Scratch Fever
ProfessorDrapion
Malakittens

Lean Scum
Enchant
Off the Hook
Cytosine and Guanine