LOST (Game Over)

[T-Bone]

Pagetop for old times sake.

[Mislim Bait]

Yeah, your bad post made me ISO your predecessor and then I'll look into what you have done so far as well.

You worried?

You're obviously nitpicking with a red lens because you voted me first before isoing klick

I understand MLB’s feelings here a bit but BBT’s progression also feels logical.

~GE

You did go overboard because you literally said 'Is there any reason we shouldn't use this VCA to speed elim Taly?'

If a speed elim is not going overboard, what is?

thats a question to get more context

Could have phrased it better then

~GE

Does GE actually think that BBT's pushes are good? no fckin way

[Rad]

But also, he would be a safe person for scum to push. Because no one is ever blamed for his miselim in any game he is miseliminated in.

Luke I think we're having similar thoughts about Enchant.

Here's my "easy targets" list from beginning of d2:

Math
BBT
Enchant
Johnny
PP/BB
Mala
PD

I've been specifically aware of any pushes on those people. Not that any of them are necessarily town that scum wants to push, but that if scum wants to push someone easily, it's likely a town in this list.

Have you been thinking something similar? I only ask because you pointed this out with Enchant so was wondering if you had a list like this.

I just wanna say, I am literally having to work with Nancy here to get even one vote on Enchant so this is anything but easy.

My perception of easy and the reality may not match up (though I stand by my perception here).

Do you think there are some easier players for scum to target or is that a ridiculous thought?

I'll give my "hard" list to compare. Do you think if we gladiate Enchant with any of the following players, people would vote anyone over enchant?

Rad
Luke
DP
C&G (note - was made at beginning of d2, I think after the potential lie reveal this is no longer "hard")
Roden
Dwlee

[Mislim Bait]

We're kind of behind.
Can any of you help catch us up?
-Guanine

8816

[Lukewarm]

I just wanna say, I am literally having to work with Nancy here to get even one vote on Enchant so this is anything but easy.

I keep going back and forth between voting there, and sticking to my math read tbh

[Rad]

Looking at your own list it kind of feels like you are conflating being widely scum read with being an easy push, and also an easy push with a safe push.

A town that's widely scum read is an easy push for scum to make. So I'm more cautious of those in the "easy" list and will focus more on the reasons given for a vote on them than anyone else.

Are there probably scum in this list? Yeah for sure unless town is absolutely lost (hurrr) this game. A push on any one of them doesn't mean it's a push on town, but if there are town in that list, they're likely going to get pushed by scum.

That's my theory here.

[Lukewarm]

I'll give my "hard" list to compare. Do you think if we gladiate Enchant with any of the following players, people would vote anyone over enchant?

Rad
Luke
DP
----
Roden
Dwlee

This is what I mean on safe vs easy pushes.

Do I think that any of these people currently have a chance to go over? No.

Do I think that, if scum found even a mildly compelling reason to call you or me scum, that it would be a very safe push for them to make? Yes.

To be fair, a town!Enchant would probably be both a relatively safe and a relatively easy push

[Lukewarm]

So I'm more cautious of those in the "easy" list and

will focus more on the reasons given for a vote on them than anyone

else

If this is what you were saying, then I totally agree with you

[T-Bone]

But also, he would be a safe person for scum to push. Because no one is ever blamed for his miselim in any game he is miseliminated in.

Luke I think we're having similar thoughts about Enchant.

Here's my "easy targets" list from beginning of d2:

Math
BBT
Enchant
Johnny
PP/BB
Mala
PD

I've been specifically aware of any pushes on those people. Not that any of them are necessarily town that scum wants to push, but that if scum wants to push someone easily, it's likely a town in this list.

Have you been thinking something similar? I only ask because you pointed this out with Enchant so was wondering if you had a list like this.

I just wanna say, I am literally having to work with Nancy here to get even one vote on Enchant so this is anything but easy.

My perception of easy and the reality may not match up (though I stand by my perception here).

Do you think there are some easier players for scum to target or is that a ridiculous thought?

I'll give my "hard" list to compare. Do you think if we gladiate Enchant with any of the following players, people would vote anyone over enchant?

Rad
Luke
DP
C&G (note - was made at beginning of d2, I think after the potential lie reveal this is no longer "hard")
Roden
Dwlee

I don't know if you've noticed but nothing is easy. We're all too stubborn.

[Malakittens]

Sorry folks. I am going crazy with this new class. I’ll try my super barest to be here in
The next few days!

[T-Bone]

I do get what you're trying for it just doesn't match up with the reality of our game state. There usually are easy style votes but I am struggling to see them here.

[Mislim Bait]

Looking at your own list it kind of feels like you are conflating being widely scum read with being an easy push, and also an easy push with a safe push.

A town that's widely scum read is an easy push for scum to make. So I'm more cautious of those in the "easy" list and will focus more on the reasons given for a vote on them than anyone else.

Are there probably scum in this list? Yeah for sure unless town is absolutely lost (hurrr) this game. A push on any one of them doesn't mean it's a push on town, but if there are town in that list, they're likely going to get pushed by scum.

That's my theory here.

scum pushing lhf is just basic hunting theory.
who's reasons are bad is what matters

[Rad]

So I'm more cautious of those in the "easy" list and

will focus more on the reasons given for a vote on them than anyone

else

If this is what you were saying, then I totally agree with you

Yes that is my main point.

I believe that scum will go for "hard" targets IF the opportunity provides itself, but most likely it won't, so the easy targets are more likely and I'll pay more attention to those pushes.

[T-Bone]

I just wanna say, I am literally having to work with Nancy here to get even one vote on Enchant so this is anything but easy.

I keep going back and forth between voting there, and sticking to my math read tbh

Can I offer flipping a slot with a very hard to believe post restriction instead??

[Rad]

Looking at your own list it kind of feels like you are conflating being widely scum read with being an easy push, and also an easy push with a safe push.

A town that's widely scum read is an easy push for scum to make. So I'm more cautious of those in the "easy" list and will focus more on the reasons given for a vote on them than anyone else.

Are there probably scum in this list? Yeah for sure unless town is absolutely lost (hurrr) this game. A push on any one of them doesn't mean it's a push on town, but if there are town in that list, they're likely going to get pushed by scum.

That's my theory here.

scum pushing lhf is just basic hunting theory.
who's reasons are bad is what matters

Yeah, it's LHF theory, isn't it. Sorry for being basic

I think I got caught up in Luke's point about Enchant and wanted to explore and confirm it.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

We're kind of behind.
Can any of you help catch us up?
-Guanine

8816

Oh. Yeah.
I already found both Bell and Klick to be playing how I expected both to play as Town.
Then, I decided that it was likely NAI so moved them to null.
However, I decided that Klick wasn't posting a lot which I found scum!indicative while Bell's explanation for his behaviour made sense.
Then, after a while, especially since I read Dunn's claim, I decided to move both him and Klick to null so that I could re-evaluate my reads later.
-Guanine

[Mislim Bait]

Looking at your own list it kind of feels like you are conflating being widely scum read with being an easy push, and also an easy push with a safe push.

A town that's widely scum read is an easy push for scum to make. So I'm more cautious of those in the "easy" list and will focus more on the reasons given for a vote on them than anyone else.

Are there probably scum in this list? Yeah for sure unless town is absolutely lost (hurrr) this game. A push on any one of them doesn't mean it's a push on town, but if there are town in that list, they're likely going to get pushed by scum.

That's my theory here.

scum pushing lhf is just basic hunting theory.
who's reasons are bad is what matters

Yeah, it's LHF theory, isn't it. Sorry for being basic

I think I got caught up in Luke's point about Enchant and wanted to explore and confirm it.

So which pushes are actually bad?

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Rad, what lie was revealed?
I'm starting to worry that you're getting confbiased.
-Guanine

[Bell]

It's a disagreement I have with Luke and a few others this game.
I iso'd you once and then reiso'd you basically realized I can't really say much but that your vibes are wrong. I'm pretty much waiting for you to either slip up or change my mind.
Shouldn't be hard given how you appear to be trying to get town read in your way.

I don't feel much need to engage with luke on this read right now. Since my focus is pretty much Mathblade while kind of just sie swiping at people I'm suspicious of.
I do think T-bone's read of me is more natural, trajectory wise, than yours is.
But I don't think either of you have provided a rationale for the read.

Speaking of. I have no idea what C&G are doing this game. They're not playing anything like I'd expect unless Ircher is entirely running the show and choosing to appear moderately scummy for some reason.

[Mislim Bait]

We're kind of behind.
Can any of you help catch us up?
-Guanine

8816

Oh. Yeah.
I already found both Bell and Klick to be playing how I expected both to play as Town.
Then, I decided that it was likely NAI so moved them to null.
However, I decided that Klick wasn't posting a lot which I found scum!indicative while Bell's explanation for his behaviour made sense.
Then, after a while, especially since I read Dunn's claim, I decided to move both him and Klick to null so that I could re-evaluate my reads later.
-Guanine

Your first read on both klick and bell wasn't a town read but a scum read though.

[Bell]

Without the dreaded meta, I'd probably have spite voted them. Since their chat restriction has barely if at all improved their posting.
Which makes less than zero sense give Guanine's personality being one I would expect to have more substantial, concrete opinions and actions than they have deliberately declined to have this game.
Frankly, it sux.

[Rad]

Looking at your own list it kind of feels like you are conflating being widely scum read with being an easy push, and also an easy push with a safe push.

A town that's widely scum read is an easy push for scum to make. So I'm more cautious of those in the "easy" list and will focus more on the reasons given for a vote on them than anyone else.

Are there probably scum in this list? Yeah for sure unless town is absolutely lost (hurrr) this game. A push on any one of them doesn't mean it's a push on town, but if there are town in that list, they're likely going to get pushed by scum.

That's my theory here.

scum pushing lhf is just basic hunting theory.
who's reasons are bad is what matters

Yeah, it's LHF theory, isn't it. Sorry for being basic

I think I got caught up in Luke's point about Enchant and wanted to explore and confirm it.

So which pushes are actually bad?

TBH I dunno. Anything you're spotting in particular?

[Mislim Bait]

Without the dreaded meta, I'd probably have spite voted them. Since their chat restriction has barely if at all improved their posting.
Which makes less than zero sense give Guanine's personality being one I would expect to have more substantial, concrete opinions and actions than they have deliberately declined to have this game.
Frankly, it sux.

the constant change in reads not just on us but also others last day made me think that they have much more to share like they're constantly contemplating something.

[Mislim Bait]

Looking at your own list it kind of feels like you are conflating being widely scum read with being an easy push, and also an easy push with a safe push.

A town that's widely scum read is an easy push for scum to make. So I'm more cautious of those in the "easy" list and will focus more on the reasons given for a vote on them than anyone else.

Are there probably scum in this list? Yeah for sure unless town is absolutely lost (hurrr) this game. A push on any one of them doesn't mean it's a push on town, but if there are town in that list, they're likely going to get pushed by scum.

That's my theory here.

scum pushing lhf is just basic hunting theory.
who's reasons are bad is what matters

Yeah, it's LHF theory, isn't it. Sorry for being basic

I think I got caught up in Luke's point about Enchant and wanted to explore and confirm it.

So which pushes are actually bad?

TBH I dunno. Anything you're spotting in particular?

I wasn't paying attention thats why I wanted to know

[Rad]

Rad, what lie was revealed?
I'm starting to worry that you're getting confbiased.
-Guanine

I cannot see how you're not lying about the post restriction. I'm absolutely biased by it because if you are lying, I can't see a town angle for it, and the additional confusion of me not understanding why no further votes have happened on you.

town!CaG - why doesn't scum jump on you here? It means you're not actually lying and since there's no momentum, no reason for scum to jump on?
scum!CaG - scum doesn't want to bus you if it's not necessary, and I'm the only one to vote so fuck it?

Either way is hard to understand.