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[Vivax]

I want to be feared
You to fear that every time you look back at these games, any of you might die of laughing and crying

[Vivax]

Or maybe from banging your head against the table.
To each their own I guess

[Malakittens]

Imma sheep tm town read

VOTE: pOP

E-1 btw

[Malakittens]

The whole notion from FB that mala always recognizes Ench town is a bit enigmatic, but I‘ll take it.

recognizes town!me not town enchant.
Fact she townreads enchant over nothing indicates to me she knows enchant is town.

Which if im right on mala gives me the strongest reason ive had this game to call enchant town

Uh what.

I have seen scum enchant once and the game feels different hence my
Town read on enchant

So what r u smoking

[Firebringer]

are you reading or just finding random posts to respond to

[Malakittens]

Both

[Firebringer]

sorry my question was rhetorical because u clearly didn't read the post u responded to

[Prince of Paterson]

Tomorrow, I would prefer if you kill Enchant or Lowell. I'm VT.

[Crescent]

I want to sleep more but I should probably catch myself up on this.

This day turned out so weird for me. Half the game gets pressure seemingly at random, and it seems to be ending with my #1 and #2 scumreads entering the day leading trains on each other.

Just looking at the votals first.. A cursory glance at votes shows Mala put Prince -1. This leaves 3 people off the trains, and MT is notable as he's one of the very few to actually publicize a heavy scumread of Enchant.. So before I even get into any actual catch up, I want to ask MT what he thinks about what's going on right now, as it kinda feels like his vote should be down.

The same kinda applies to Gera (who put Enchant at #2), but this is a guy who totally vanished from existence day 3 in 2273 as scum, and I don't see scum Gera's reason for bashing his head against Vivax here. This also started before the day shifted from 6 people with two votes or less to most of the votes being on Enchant and Prince.

..And now let's actually read some new posts.

But UNVOTE: Prince for now. No hammers while I read stuff.

[Crescent]

End of page 73 and all I have to say so far is:

BEARVENGERS

BEARS

https://tenor.com/view/bear-tree-tree-s ... if-5887952

[Crescent]

Ok and Mala's vote looks even worse and out of left field than I expected it to.

To be perfectly frank, I've been worried about Greeting ever since I saw his day 2 POE - Notably the sustained inclusion of Bugspray. All I saw Bugspray as at the time was a player scum still desperately wanted to try to find an excuse to vote off because they're so bad at mafia.

Anyway... Not a lot seems to have actually happened. Greeting getting angry at me is actually... Kind of a good look on him.

But really, if it were just the SR on Enchant or the TR on Prince I woulda been fine with it.. But both popping up out of the blue at roughly the same time raised all sorts of alarm bells for me. Anyways I'm in a rare situation where I've scumread both sides of this vote since before this day even started, so using Prince to leverage you was... Honestly fine by me. I think this vote has a chance of being scum/scum trying to look like one scum/one town, especially given Prince's "I want to vote Enchant for no given reason" followed by voting Fire for no given reason at the start of the day.

[Crescent]

Also Greeting...

2273 was worse than this. I had almost 800 posts and 1/3 of them were screaming at useless players. There were 5 town actually

playing to win

in that entire game. The Detective who got voted off day 1 probably posted more times in Twilight than he did during the day itself. That's 2273 in a nutshell.

Scum left alive a player until day 5 to help hammer me because he relentlessly wanted me dead for voting him on day 1 and refused to ever entertain any argument for me being town based on this one vote I placed. I was confscum to him the entire game from the time I voted him on day 1 until the end of the game.

[Crescent]

And I'll clarify further: We had

100% mechanically confirmed scum that could not possibly be town under any circumstances

at endgame.. And he STILL voted me over her.

[Vivax]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lowell

Got excruciating pains today. Yeah I know that's brutally interesting, it's as if someone turned on a remote everytime it happened.

Could vote Lowell over Prince here.

[Malakittens]

I mean why am I going to vote enchant when I have a town read there??

Idk why it’s so random. One of tm townreads are wagoned and I’m against it

[Vivax]

VOTE: Enchant

Ping-Pong

[Unsure]

Yes!

[Unsure]

gerain do you still scumread enchant
let's end the day

[Unsure]

I guess hammer will come from MT once again. If Enchant flips scum, MT can be a partner for how much he's delaying to vote on that wagon even though he's publicly scumreading enchant here.

[Andante]

I will sheep Vivax here. if vivax wants to go to UNO I'm down. Consider Vivax a double voter. that's how confident I am that vivax is town, like, if I'm confident in a single read this game, it's vivax!town!!!

Vivax gets what Vivax wants here!!

VOTE: Enchant

e-1 I think?

[Andante]

voting with every single SR I have.... not sure this ends well

[Greeting]

Very well, this is goodwill.

As for the general way I make my reads in mafia games, I strongly prioritise intent over tone, but always weigh both.

I have scumread

Prince of Paterson

early in the game. I saw his tone as being overly careful and weighing his words too much (

Andante

being the exact opposite of this attitude). Back then it was still too early to figure out the intent behind the posts, so I based the whole read on the tone.

As the game progressed, I saw a lot of gamesolving intent and, in spite of the worrisome tone, was willing to leave

PoP

in the grey or nullread zone. Unfortunately, I am unable to focus my attention on everything going on at the game, so I pick my battles. I decided that it was not worthy my attention to focus on that slot for the time being, unless he did something that would strongly change my mind as to what his intent is.

Then, he made this post:

I am wondering why, in spite of being townread so widely, my reads, which I feel are very widely substantiated, are not being shared by the vast majority of players. The fact that there are players who supposedly townread me and whom I townread (

Crescent

comes to mind) and who for some reason keep refusing to work with me leads us nowhere. It's giving me a real headache and making me wonder if there is a point in me even speaking about my scumreads anymore.

And yes, some of you people who say are townreading me are lying scum who just know that there is not enough suspicion to scapegoat me and throw me out.

Greeting, it's possible for people to both think that you're town and also disagree with your reads and direction. You might end up being more correct on your reads than I am, I was wrong on Fredrick, but I haven't found your cases convincing so far. I think you look for very different things when making your reads and it makes them hard for me to connect to or agree with.

Which is a rather unbiased observation, and the only intent behind it I can think of is wanting to me to view the in-game situation in a more objective way. This post literally does not make sense for a mafia to make, because it is

not

in the mafia's interest to have me think in an unbiased way, but to divert my attention and emotions towards an innocent target.

Which is why, I think that

Prince of Paterson

should be left be for the time being.

[Greeting]

Nota bene, this is also why I took a step back from scumreading

Unsure

, although I am not at all convinced that this is a townslot. But they have exhibited signs of willingness to both solve the game and work with their townreads, which is evidence pointing against them being scum. And I figured that if I really want to solve the game, then I have fight my own confbias and do experimental U-turns.

[Greeting]

To be perfectly frank, I've been worried about Greeting ever since I saw his day 2 POE - Notably the sustained inclusion of Bugspray. All I saw Bugspray as at the time was a player scum still desperately wanted to try to find an excuse to vote off because they're so bad at mafia.

Anyway... Not a lot seems to have actually happened. Greeting getting angry at me is actually... Kind of a good look on him.

People have differing degrees of attention they pay to what is going on. Some players in here, and that also includes

bugspray

have a way of making posts that I find inherently offputting and I pay very little attention to them. Which is the reason why I missed

bugspray

's claim, but when others have pointed out that he made a claim I corrected that mistake.

Now, I have no idea why some people keep raising the issue of

Lowell

being a scumread when

bugspray

literally towncleared him as all mafia members should yield in a red gunsmith check. But if I can miss stuff, other players can miss it too, especially in a game with so many players that is rather slow-paced.

[Andante]

UNVOTE: