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[UNOwen]

Best to eliminate me.

1000%
None of these posts convince me that this claim is anything other than an attempt to get to day 4.

[Andante]

hmm Vig that won't shoot... I've seen that before.

[Andante]

"I'm scared of shooting a PR" ok?? you should be aiming for scummy.. and if you can explain the shot the next day, you're literally fine, it's not like we have a useful PR here.. I'm just torn between giving Malcolm 1 more night or just killing now

UNVOTE:

idk what the VC is

[Andante]

Maf literally always claims "vig that never shoots" is the thing, like... hmmm give 1 more night, and if Malcolm doesn't shoot anyone/attempt to shoot, just kill malcolm tomorrow?

actually... if we lim town here, we're in the position we have to lim maf tomorrow right? idk how numbers work

[Crescent]

The game is a matter of how many scummy players you have vs. How many days you have to deal with them. Even if that claim doesn't confirm scum, it knocks off one day-phase but removes two potential MLs. That claim basically IS "cop" if it's real, and doctor is a claim that can never be trusted given the setup, as was stated... Really early by someone on day 1, as apparently last time this kind of setup happened, a mafia doctor actually claimed doctor and coasted.

I play conservatively, and even I can see it as a power who's risk/reward makes it worth firing every night. MS games have way more vanillas than I'm used to seeing in games I've played before. (A game of 17 would have 5 scum and 4-6 town vanillas. A game of 13 would have 4 scum and 3-5 town vanillas). The game I hosted a little while back was 3 scum/5 town power/4 vanilla, and the better players found the setup overall slightly favored a scum win. In that kind of community, I could see holding onto a shot like that.

But there's probably like 8 or 9 vanillas in this game because of how this place works. Even if you just shoot two scummy vanillas at night and never confirm a scum, you've already had a significant positive impact on the game by saving it an entire day, as vanillas getting shot at night can be a godsend for games in general. The chance of hitting power and your chance of hitting scum are probably close to even.

The role you're claiming should always be shooting in a community like MS that trends towards low-power games, but it has no business ever claiming without a scum result, or shooting once it's claimed.

[Andante]

cause I think enchant always flips red here.. I really do

[Andante]

we're essentially playing mountainous cause our PRs aren't actually using their role. like who cares if you shoot a town?? YOU SHOOT SCUMREADS.

[Andante]

so malcolm better shoot tonight... @Malcolm. if we don't lim you, you're shooting yes?

[Andante]

once malcolm confirms he's gonna try shooting, we can lim elsewhere,

[Andante]

numbers=wise we might have an issue tomorrow, but that's a tomorrow problem

[Crescent]

Maf literally always claims "vig that never shoots" is the thing, like... hmmm give 1 more night, and if Malcolm doesn't shoot anyone/attempt to shoot, just kill malcolm tomorrow?

actually... if we lim town here, we're in the position we have to lim maf tomorrow right? idk how numbers work

There are 3 scum left and we have 13 players. If no "extra" kills ever happen, we will not reach lylo without voting off 3 town members, in addition to Fred. That's fairly standard practice for a game of this size. It should take 4-5 MLs for a town to lose.

This feels like a situation where scum could be scrambling to try to figure out where to actually get those MLs, and I think Prince is probably someone they just attempted to get one on.

[Andante]

vote count 3.09

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-08-02 23:30:00).

yeet

MalcolmTucker [6]:

Andante, Vivax, Enchant, Unsure, UNOwen, geraintm

Enchant [3]:

Prince of Paterson, Greeting, MalcolmTucker

Prince of Paterson [2]:

Lowell, Malakittens

Malakittens [1]:

Firebringer

not voting [1]:

Crescent

mod notes

~ Lowell is v/la till wednesday
~ this is a mod note.

We have someone on V/LA till wednesday.... hasn't posted in 3 entire days... and won't post for the rest of the day... lovely.
I hate that ISO.. know what..
VOTE: Lowell

"I will try to check in" umm I'm not sure what this v/la is for... but it seems sus... and this vote on Prince isn't even cause Lowell wanted it. whatever. I'm voting here, there's no content in the iso whatsoever, and there's no effort to play the game, so I'm good with this

[Andante]

Maf literally always claims "vig that never shoots" is the thing, like... hmmm give 1 more night, and if Malcolm doesn't shoot anyone/attempt to shoot, just kill malcolm tomorrow?

actually... if we lim town here, we're in the position we have to lim maf tomorrow right? idk how numbers work

There are 3 scum left and we have 13 players. If no "extra" kills ever happen, we will not reach lylo without voting off 3 town members, in addition to Fred. That's fairly standard practice for a game of this size. It should take 4-5 MLs for a town to lose.

This feels like a situation where scum could be scrambling to try to figure out where to actually get those MLs, and I think Prince is probably someone they just attempted to get one on.

ok, so I'm good with giving malcolm 1 more chance to shoot here, and he better shoot someone scummy. simple as that. scum roleblocker is dead, so.. scum will have to deal with him if he's real, or if he's fake he gets caught, simple as that

[Andante]

Someone wanna tell me how this is town?

Are we back to Fred again? Honestly people.

VOTE: fred

Is it still Fred or what? This wagon keeps getting to the end and dying. Let’s do it

VOTE: unsure

Let’s kick some asses woooo!

This game is dead. Scum wins.

Oof, Unowen is flailing here. Still not my top target but what

VOTE: prince

Unsure is still fine, but I'd really prefer this slot first.

[Andante]

@Malcolm CONFIRM YOU WILL SHOOT TONIGHT, AND THAT YOU UNDERSTAND NOT SHOOTING = YOU DIE TOMORROW

[Crescent]

See that's also the thing... I'm not convinced scum doesn't have a second 1-shot RB anyway. If no one dies tonight (which I expect regardless of his alignment), I'm parking my vote on him first post and arguing for a day that's ended within 48 hours. Nothing good could come from stalling the day out.

On the note of that Lowell vote.. I do believe there is still scum clinging onto the embers of that Prince here, and I would be rather shocked to see Mala/Lowell both be town. Why not just go back to Enchant, though?

[Andante]

See that's also the thing... I'm not convinced scum doesn't have a second 1-shot RB anyway. If no one dies tonight (which I expect regardless of his alignment), I'm parking my vote on him first post and arguing for a day that's ended within 48 hours. Nothing good could come from stalling the day out.

On the note of that Lowell vote.. I do believe there is still scum clinging onto the embers of that Prince here, and I would be rather shocked to see Mala/Lowell both be town. Why not just go back to Enchant, though?

I mean hey, if Malcolm is town, and scum HAS a roleblocking ability, they have to use it there (if they fear malcolm's reads) and I'd rather just let scum deal with the vig. but if malcolm is all "I refuse to shoot tonight" I'm moving my vote back there. I want malcolm's confirmation he is shooting tonight

[Andante]

On the note of that Lowell vote.. I do believe there is still scum clinging onto the embers of that Prince here, and I would be rather shocked to see Mala/Lowell both be town. Why not just go back to Enchant, though?

Why not look at the Lowell ISO, and notice how lowell just hops from 1 vote to another, and hasn't done anything, the day phase "ends" on tuesday, and this "vla" magically ends wednesday?? I do not buy it one bit. this feels like an excuse to get out of posting. cause "I'll try to post" implies there will be the option to at some point, and we've had some major things brought up, no comments from lowell. and looking at that ISO, yeah no. I'm voting him out, cause there's literally nothing in this world that would make me TR him, plus confirmed no gun, so hey, "worst case" he's just a vt... but I'm thinking maf doc more likely

[Andante]

but tldr: find a lim other than malcolm, I'll deal with him tonight. he better shoot someone, and that can be dealt with tomorrow

[UNOwen]

Lowell is scum but Malcolm is too and I'm not unvoting. If we let him live then I'm 90% sure day 4 will be wasted discussing why he wasn't able to successfully kill anyone.

[Crescent]

Well I mean that's fair, it would at least force that ability out. I'm worried letting him live one night turns into letting him live two nights and letting the WIFOM continue.

Speaking of him shooting, it

really

bothers me that he tried to have his claim directed at someone specific tonight though. It's a 100% chance of meaningful result, and it kinda just completely ignored the whole "scum could save his target" issue. You think someone who's had the role he's claiming for over a month would actually understand it on such a basic level. He doesn't seem to really get how the role he's claiming functions.

[Crescent]

100% chance of no meaningful result what did my phone do to the no I definitely wrote it

[Andante]

Lowell is scum but Malcolm is too and I'm not unvoting. If we let him live then I'm 90% sure day 4 will be wasted discussing why he wasn't able to successfully kill anyone.

If scum roleblocks me, they can't roleblock malcolm, and I can definitively prove tonight whether malcolm is real or not

[Andante]

I do not see the benefit of yeeting Malcolm here. my role was essentially made for his, I believe it. he better shoot tonight, that solves that problem. we lim elsewhere now

[Andante]

1 night. that's all I need, and we literally have Malcolm's role CONFIRMED, not sure why it's suddenly "must lim!!" like, what?? he's a scum vig who just hasn't shot?? I can confirm his role here