LOST (Game Over)

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Just like the whole "I was being pocketed, no no that doesn't matter I'm pretty sure I was being pocketed" thing

i'm obviously biased, but I still don't understand how an early null read means Bella wasn't trying to pocket me for the other 80% of the game, especially given the interactions we both had with Klick

[Best Bird]

VOTE: rad

Yo BB what's your read on Malcolm?

town enough for now....why?

Because I want the guy who's supposedly talking to Ceph in a PT to give his opinion on my scum read? "town enough for now" as the reasoning is so disappointing.

What's Ceph's read on me and Malcolm?

Why does me being in a PT with Ceph impact your view of my opinion of your scum read?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Rad better not be scum tho, I can only be so wrong

I also think lamenting about how wrong your reads have been here and in 10213 are weird reactions to have, since you weren't townreading Bella from a quick skim of your ISO.

You had her in your "willing to lim" pool back in day 1. So you were wrong on Math but you weren't really wrong on Bella per se

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Why does me being in a PT with Ceph impact your view of my opinion of your scum read?

I'm curious if Ceph has an updated read on Johnny since the latest flips (or at least the Bella flip)

[JohnnyFarrar]

Right, but two hard defenses of scum is a bad hit rate

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'd vote me for that

[Rad]

VOTE: rad

Yo BB what's your read on Malcolm?

town enough for now....why?

Because I want the guy who's supposedly talking to Ceph in a PT to give his opinion on my scum read? "town enough for now" as the reasoning is so disappointing.

What's Ceph's read on me and Malcolm?

Why does me being in a PT with Ceph impact your view of my opinion of your scum read?

Because town!bb with ceph's opinion matters. I'm not 100% convinced of my Malcolm read and want to know what you and ceph think about him.

[Best Bird]

i'll ask

[Off The Hook]

Did you think you were playing scummy here too?

I just won a game as scum and I'm not acting much different here. If I'm breaking a rule talking about it I can stop now

is this a scumclaim lol

[butterflies]

I'm also now wary of johnny and he knows why. I think he could be scum here : DD

This is coincidentally why I thought pooky scumread me

I Keep going back and forth on it, cuz I trust Nancy's meta reads, but I also think csf could be scum here

Meta reads I’m mindmelding with Pooky on and Bell was another.

[butterflies]

I’m going to say it’s unlikely they no killed.

Why in the world do you think that

Because there's 4000 people in this game

Oh woop

I read exactly the opposite lol

Tho in my defense you were being a lil captain obvious there

Hey Johhny, I’ve been wondering about this. If you misread my post then how was I also being Captain Obvious?

[butterflies]

I don't remember if that makes them town or scum but I remember a wooden conversation

Link/quote?

[Best Bird]

Why does me being in a PT with Ceph impact your view of my opinion of your scum read?

I'm curious if Ceph has an updated read on Johnny since the latest flips (or at least the Bella flip)

He hasn't been following along seriously enough to have a firm opinion, but still thinks Johnny's scum based on his general posting.

[MalcolmTucker]

Out of interest, who else do you reckon is scum other than Johnny? I liked the case on Johnny early game but struggling to see it following

Math's

elimination.

How does Math's elimination rule out Johnny?

Sorry I'm getting confused on who suspected who re scum. Math wasn't really pro-eliminating Johnny - Bella/Johnny was a different story. 10685 outlined why. Maybe it's possible I could be underestimating the amount of SvS stuff we've been seeing though? Some of Johnny's more recent posts don't fill me with confidence but I'm also aware I'm struggle to tonally townread them when they post which could be influencing where I'm at.

[MalcolmTucker]

Johnny could very easily be scum . I don't see them making much a thread impact and the only thing that sticks out to me is that they seem to be around to get a few page tops but not massively enagge with anything else. Tbf I basically think the same about mala and I get the vibe that a fair few people are town reading her! Johnny is worse than mala for me because I can tell by his post count that he has content but my mind just slides off the slot.

I just spoke to cat about Dunn. I think Dunn is a player i will always have trouble reading. It worries me that some of my scum reads are based on 'tone', but I don't think it's a big an issue as I think : for example, I'm starting to town read t bone!

With you I read your posts and go 'yes, no, what? Yes...' in the same post. This happened a lot around your corwin stuff. It's odd to me because I find most players, especially the vocal ones in this game, are very straight to the point so it's easier to just follow and then say 'yes/no/that's scummy'.

@frog, I hard town read them in the very early game for meta, the thing I found towny has disappeared so would be down, yeah.

(more than happy to vote Johnny)

Okay lads, we can stop trotting out Ceph, Dunn, Johnny, and Math votes, they are all town sorry to say. Please be original.

Accurate!

When did you change your mind back on ceph?

Dunn is probably town, Dunn maybe , Johnny prob scum ceph scum.

I can see vig on frog, but considering how the black smoke worked I don't think we can 100% rule out third party.

The kills don't do loads to change my reads - although it does amuse me that professor drapions whole reason for me being scum yesterday was that frog was my scum partner and I'm still getting voted by them!

Feel better about Roden and worse about Johnny from their day phase opening.

@CSF - just a selection of posts where Bella was scumreading Johnny. I'm not particularly getting the impression this is a teammate? I get Bella didn't necessarily vote there in the end but by the same token I'd argue a lot of their play was probably quite hedgy and noncommittal looking back.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I’m going to say it’s unlikely they no killed.

Why in the world do you think that

Because there's 4000 people in this game

Oh woop

I read exactly the opposite lol

Tho in my defense you were being a lil captain obvious there

Hey Johhny, I’ve been wondering about this. If you misread my post then how was I also being Captain Obvious?

Like in my head what you actually said didn't need to be said, so when I read it I assumed you were saying the opposite, which would have been wild

[JohnnyFarrar]

Also Nancy can you either reevaluate or double down on your csf townread for my peace of mind?

[Cytosine and Guanine]

TBH I wouldn't say that I dislike much of what Rad has done except for mainly his 11193 and the similarities to his scumgame that BBT has mentioned before.
And the problem with 11193 is mainly because I felt like it was shading Roden.
But then Rad seems to justified in saying in 11281 that scum!him won't beattacking everybody.
Also, I'm really going to sleep now.
-Guanine

Let's be clear. I'm shading Roden for sure. His 2095 is drastically different than here and I want that known. I doubt he'd even disagree regardless of his alignment this game. town!Roden here is just being complacent due to being mason confirmed. scum!Roden lied about being a mason and is kicked back trying not to stir the pot. Both options are completely different than the 2095 Roden.

I'm also shading Mala for the drastic difference with 2095. I think 11229 is reasonable, but I also thought the plan with waiting a day on Bella was reasonable, so whatever. That ties up Drap for the night as well, and if Drap gets targeted and dies, we're stuck with unconfirmed Mala and dead Drap with no way of confirming beyond something silly like BB talks to someone Mala targets... So yeah, it gets convoluted, so maybe a bad plan.

Regarding the similarities BBT pointed out (me turning on him after he suspected me or whatever), 11287 explains why that's wrong, but you can look at that and consider it after you've slept.

I see.
Thank you for your explanation.
-Guanine

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm gonna start being annoying now since this is now my only game, I think

[Taly]

Johnny

, why admit to being in your scumrange?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Honesty is the best policy Taly. How you doin'?

[MalcolmTucker]

Johnny

, why admit to being in your scumrange?

I thought that was a weird post but does it feel like the type of thing scum would say?

[MalcolmTucker]

CSF's responses have been reasonable and measured. Whether that's just town measured who's not panicked about accusations or calculating scum I'm unsure.

[Taly]

it be lonely with a PT partner these days :/

i miss

bell's

distrustful disposition and me throwing twerk gifs at him while we bullshitted about desserts.

surprised people called for my PT paraphrase with

bell

and im not getting any follow-up. i felt it was very productive, his townflip is predictable but nobody pushed against me, so incriminating my slot wasn't part of

bell

NK, nor was it because of role because

bell/i

weren't publicly vibing and i dont think a neighbor is a concern over

mason

claims.

so i think

bell

was on top of scum, ill revisit his reads, we largely talked about our townreads before i fell off and we mindmelded very strongly with the other on that front.

BBT

felt genuine when I asked about his interpretation of

Drap's

result on

Bella

and he still dismissed it. I doubt scum does that knowing that they're wrong. 11258

11316 was a reasonable reply from

malcolm

, it didnt sound like a TMI on

ceph

, but on a

cephVtaly

context, i believed i was consensus for majority of the gladiate.

pedit

Johnny

, why admit to being in your scumrange?

I thought that was a weird post but does it feel like the type of thing scum would say?

ive said such things as both town and scum, i find the reason is more AI than the action.

[JohnnyFarrar]

surprised people called for my PT paraphrase with bell and im not getting any follow-up. i felt it was very productive, his townflip is predictable but nobody pushed against me, so incriminating my slot wasn't part of bell NK, nor was it because of role because bell/i weren't publicly vibing and i dont think a neighbor is a concern over mason claims.

so i think bell was on top of scum, ill revisit his reads, we largely talked about our townreads before i fell off and we mindmelded very strongly with the other on that front.

I quite like this line of thinking, I'm making a PoE rn but I'll follow up a lil with Bell's reads and also maybe Taly pushes that didn't register if my motivation maintains