Mini Normal 2279: VGSR - GAME OVER

[Ausuka]

gonna vote with my gut for now and see how I feel once I read the rest of the game.

VOTE: Ausuka

[Ausuka]

amazing pagetop from me there

[Nero Cain]

tis a little lacking, yes.

[Ausuka]

hoppip seems more town

Why do you think so?

[Ausuka]

tis a little lacking, yes.

Your read? I agree

[Nero Cain]

I actually meant your response but sure, my read is lacking and you didn't call me out on this why?

[Ausuka]

because you're town

[Nero Cain]

579 just seemed a bit defensive and aggressive. It's possible that I'm misreading your tone but someone being misread and their response is

your read is lacking

just seems kinda odd to me.

What are your thoughts on my or anyone else's content since your last post?

[Ausuka]

579 just seemed a bit defensive and aggressive. It's possible that I'm misreading your tone but someone being misread and their response is

your read is lacking

just seems kinda odd to me.

What are your thoughts on my or anyone else's content since your last post?

Sorry your read sucks

I don't have any thoughts I want to share other than the question to Eiralox, otherwise I would have just, like, posted them.

[Mapuche Never Die]

eh do not think i was trying particularly hard there to look town

But you were trying to look town? I consider this as admission for guilt.

Does anyone else believe this's a stretch read?

Do you think scum would admit guilt so openly?

Waking up today, I think it is a bit of a stretch read but there is definitely a world in which it’s a slip.

[Mapuche Never Die]

Please do elaborate on your Inutile townread. Are you like super familiar playing with them? I couldn't even comprehend what they were trying to say, not to mention trying to read them - best I could come up with was they were flabbergasted from wolf stress. That is, until their "I wasn't trying to look town that much" which I think has a chance of being a slip.

I have never played with Inutile. I believe Inutile is Town because of their fight with Asuka. Scum are rarely going to square off like that at the beginning of the game.

I would hesitate to say that fighting at the start of the game is something only town do, that’s a generalized tell that doesn’t account for an individual player’s playstyle.

[Eiralox]

hoppip seems more town

Why do you think so?

idk i liked their recent tone but not their content? like they are very defensive and are tunneling way into me while sorta skirting past u ...... but meh the towniest hoppip has sounded to me was in recent posts/ like i have no solid reason to read them one way or another, that was just the vibe I got....... eh.

[Frogsterking]

UNVOTE: hutmeil

[Frogsterking]

^This. After you've put pressure on me, Frog followed suit with unconvincing reasons just to put a vote on me. Trying to test the water perhaps if anyone else will follow suit?

Yeah I have like 6 scum reads and my reasons for voting you look like confbias, so I'm guessing you were one of the slots I was wrong about.

[Frogsterking]

Greeting
Delta
hoppip
Mapuche
Gandhi

at least 2 scum in here

[Eiralox]

@Nuclear Gandhi rn imho you are not engaged with this game. where are you? what's your take on current game state?

[Frogsterking]

Greeting
Delta

hoppip

Mapuche
Gandhi

at least 2 scum in here

[Mapuche Never Die]

i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias

This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energy

VOTE: Inutile

What do you think of the rest of its posts?

frankly most of it confuses me and it seems like lots of weird rationalizations. unless this user is normally on edge all the time, it looks bad

Hmm...I suppose that's fair. But I'm not so sure that "looks bad" is the same as "looks scummy." For instance, I think it looks bad that you're shading Inutile for superficial reasons. But do you think that's scummy?

Town

This is just bad surface-level observation. Hoppip’s post is just parroting a common mafia philosophy and applying it to the current situation.

[Mapuche Never Die]

I sus DeltaWave for this, and I think their delayed omgus style interaction with hoppip (83) also is mafia.

VOTE: DeltaWave

this is the kind of nonsensical thing that makes you read as town tbh

But seriously....this is kind of increasing my scumread on you. Why don't you talk about inutile, do you still think they're mafia?

I sus DeltaWave for this, and I think their delayed omgus style interaction with hoppip (83) also is mafia.

VOTE: DeltaWave

this is the kind of nonsensical thing that makes you read as town tbh

But seriously....this is kind of increasing my scumread on you. Why don't you talk about inutile, do you still think they're mafia?

that's funny, because you're looking more like town to me the more we talk. I'd say there's a decent 75% chance that inutile is mafia. signal-to-noise ratio is very bad, trying too hard w/r/t townclaiming, etc. reminds me of how I used to play a mafioso when I was new, very frantic. the 25% exception is if this user just plays like this all the time but I do not know the relevant meta.

btw, someone (I forgot who - it's a page or so back) misunderstood why I was sussing inutile. it wasn't because mafia was plural or anything. it's that the whole "let's come together as town, I'm one of you, let's get those evil mafias" is a sus thing to say overall, especially early game. maybe later on when there are some flips or lots of evidence that's a decent thing to say but combined with everything else, inutile just seems like a mafioso on a sugar high.

The observation about Intuile playing a lot like how DW used to play as scum seems like it’s genuine.

[Frogsterking]

Mapuche do you scum read anyone on my list

[Mapuche Never Die]

I had this one improv teacher who was pretty cool who taught us that the hardest lesson in improv is to learn to accept gifts.

Why are you scumreading Ghandhi? Bit of a non-sequitur I know but I don't want to get into your improv stuff.

It's okay, the improv stuff was for Asuka primarily rather than for you.

Once I saw Eir and Greeting both voted Ghandi I interpreted that as a sign that something was wrong. I reflected on why they may have done that. I realized that Ghandi is attempting to aggressively manipulate as many players as possible and that my initial Townread on them was naive. I believe Ghandi is either a manipulative Townie or a scum slot. In other words, I don't trust Ghandi regardless of their alignment, and I believe their alignment in this case may be scum, because even though it may be NAI for them to be manipulative, the way they're being manipulative in this game doesn't help them to collect AI information about other players.

Gandhi doesn’t exactly seem like an aggressive manipulator

[Mapuche Never Die]

Mapuche do you scum read anyone on my list

Not yet.

[Frogsterking]

Gandhi doesn’t exactly seem like an aggressive manipulator

I agree I think I was ego projecting

[Frogsterking]

Mapuche do you scum read anyone on my list

Not yet.

Who exactly do you scum read?

[Mapuche Never Die]

Alright, caught up. Stuff following;

I actually think you've got me here and that everything you're saying in 53 is true.

I have three reasons mainly for not outing the scum slot yet:

• I want them to post more before they become alarmed so that it will be easier to look for their partners on later days.
  
  I want them to participate in my survey start and if I out my scum read on them first they probably won't want to do that.
  
  I want to give other players a chance to find them without me spoiling it.

I can tell you that I'm pretty sure I'm using spatial working memory to identify where to look rather than verbal working memory.

A few things here, first regarding 51;

1) Why would you trust a town reads reads so early into a game?
2) This feels like an attempt to pocket Ausuka

This post is shading Frogster for bad reasons. Frogster has explicitly said that he has a strange playstyle, so it should be obvious that Frogster isn’t actually locktowning Ausuka and Intuile when he says that Ausuka and Intuile are lock town.
Also, the point about pocketing Ausuka is off. Ausuka scumreads Frogster, and now frogster is saying that Ausuka’s points are correct. That’s not a scummy thing to do at all. If anything, it shows a towny flexibility.

As for 58, this is a bad post in general. The first point about not wanting scum to know you're scum reading them - at this point about 5 players had posted anything of note, you were one of them and you town locked the other two (possibly three?) so there really weren't many players left who it could have been.

Other two points are fluff, especially third. Unless you're looking for potential mindmelds, but meh, not a fan of this at all.

Sure, frogster’s post serves no real purpose, but that doesn’t make him scum.

VOTE: Furtive

Serious vote?

This is a filler question that doesn’t advance the game.