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[Nero Cain]

but I want to know your reads

[DeltaWave]

but I want to know your reads

ok. pretty sure hutmeil is town

[Nero Cain]

:/

[DeltaWave]

i'm gonna post a full read list tomorrow morning, i'm too tired/punchy right now

[Frogsterking]

oh cool. they take advantage of better systems, e.g. we're completely digital with e-signatures etc etc instead of fully paper files and that sort of thing. they also have a well-defined role for paralegals which is sometimes a question mark in firms

That sounds really helpful and highly unusual for a law firm. Are there any noticeable (though abstract) differences from other law firms when you interact with coworkers/bosses/paralegals at this firm?

[Frogsterking]

oh cool. they take advantage of better systems, e.g. we're completely digital with e-signatures etc etc instead of fully paper files and that sort of thing. they also have a well-defined role for paralegals which is sometimes a question mark in firms

That sounds really helpful and highly unusual for a law firm. Are there any noticeable (though abstract) differences from other law firms when you interact with coworkers/bosses/paralegals at this firm?

I'm trying not to ask leading questions lmao

[Frogsterking]

For a moment there I thought that a law firm exists which embraces intellectual curiosity and I was dumb-founded. I thought about what you said a little bit and now I think there is a different explanation for the advantages which your firm offers.

[Frogsterking]

Greeting can you post a reads list?

I will do this on Day 3 after I see

Eiralox

's flip. That is, if I am still alive on Day 3.

Can you not play like Gandhi please?

[Frogsterking]

Alright, some reads because reads are good;

Town -

Hoppip, Inutile, Furtive, Ausuka

Maybe town -

Ghandi

Null -

Hutmeil, Greeting, Juice

Maybe scum -

Eira

,

Mohab

Scum -

Frog and Delta

VOTE: Delta

I colored in the above with where my head is at right now.

[Frogsterking]

BBT.... has done nothing. The only reasons i changed my vote are cos frogster seems to think bbt town, and cos imma do this proper.

I think this is the last one now unless you believe BBT is Town.

[Frogsterking]

Fake TvT path?

Spoiler:

Frog was also inexplicably town reading Mohab if I remember right and refused to explain the read.

No. Your inability to remember this game is now known rather than implied.

I don't know man, you definitely came around to town reading Mohab at some point and never explained it. You refused to explain your posting a number of times as well so I just stopped reading or caring about what you posted.

I'm definitely coming around to Mohab!Town here.

Yeah, you start town reading him after his really bad push on Greeting which caught mine, and I think Ausuka's (?) attention.

Frog was also inexplicably town reading Mohab if I remember right and refused to explain the read.

No. Your inability to remember this game is now known rather than implied.

I don't know man, you definitely came around to town reading Mohab at some point and never explained it. You refused to explain your posting a number of times as well so I just stopped reading or caring about what you posted.

It sounds like I had good judgment then and you followed suit.

PEdit:

I don't think you have a point here, I think you shaded me based off a mistake in your memory and now you're trying to cobble together a rationalization to protect your ego. I feel like 90% sure our interactions thus far are aimless TvT bullshit.

girls, you are both pretty

BBT disappears again after this because being labeled TvT is a desirable outcome for him (unlike everyone else in this thread who gets confrontational over being labeled TvT.)

I'd describe BBT as trapped in a shade-disguise-lurk loop. BBT shades a townie target, if they're called out they disguise the interaction as a TvT shit fest, then they lurk as long as possible.

A couple notable exceptions occurred in D2:

BBT randomly town sending himself

Spoiler:

I have to ask, why is there a wagon on Juice but not a wagon on me? this game makes no sense. I just looked at their posts and I am barely ahead of them in useful activity if at all.

This makes me feel weird about Greeting's intent to hammer or whatever bullshit: yes they didn't give a reason for you to townread them but neither did I or I'd reckon several people in here basically have given no reason to be town read so I am extremely confused what's going on. It seems like somebody is just trying to jump on a random wagon to me.

VOTE: Greeting

There is a wagon on Juice because they have literally contributed nothing despite popping into thread 3 times or whatever it is.

I find it interesting that you're willing to go to bat for a slot you seem to think is town from extremely little information.

Why did you choose Greeting out of all the people? Sure, he stated intent to hammer, but he isn't even voting unlike everyone else on the wagon.

I do think the intent to hammer is just a way to pre-emptively justify getting on the wagon. I also never stated that I thought the juice guy was 100% town, I just don't think this excuse of him popping in and out of the game and saying random shit is a good reason to vote him because that's also exactly what I've been doing and people aren't really wagoning me hard or other people who have literally contributed nothing.

Why would he need to justify getting on the wagon when barely anyone else has? Why is Greeting's intent to hammer any worse than any other vote on the wagon?

You never stated Juice was town, but you imply it by fighting against the wagon. If Juice is town, I would bet either you or Eira are scum. Scum try to avoid this Juice wagon, 100%.

You've also contributed

some

things. Juice has contributed none, there is no comparison to be made.

Anyone trying to put me on PoE for inactivity can suck it. Had I been around more, I would have pushed on Mohab.

These interactions are never s/s

I'm not paired with Mohab so I really shouldn't be there.

BBT asking completely pointless questions to appear active in the thread

Spoiler:

i think i may have modded a game once or twice off-site so i'm probably not the best expert on this. ill need someone else to confirm my understanding on this one, but my understanding of natural action resolution is that kill actions are resolved before investigate actions. therefore, you wouldn't get a guilty on crescent. your action wouldn't have resolved at all because crescent was killed. see, e.g, https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... olden_Rule

This actually sounds legit. Does anyone know with 100% certainty?

I kinda think this'll be a scum win b/c ya'll ain't going to vote out Ausuka.

Why would we vote out town?

Wait, why do you have so many green in your reads?

Have I missed something?

OK, you just greened town reads Nero?

I think that BBT found a pattern of play (shade-disguise-lurk) which was effective for them on D1 and they're deviating from this pattern on D2 because they're nervous and tense.

I'm thinking Gandhi/BBT are the last two.

[Ausuka]

it makes sense to me that an informed Ausuka would call my reads bad b/c she knew they were bad.

where did i even do this

[Ausuka]

Actually, I was wondering why I wasn't killed tonight and

furtiveglance

was. My guess is that there are no more Mafia Goons in this game and so my role isn't a threat to the mafia anymore. I will still continue checking people in case I am wrong though. I'm planning on targeting

hoppip

on Night 2.

Still though, it's kinda weird that they would sacrifice

Crescent

like this. I made it clear that I would be likely targeting her tonight (1062). If she hadn't been vigged, I would have announced my guilty and she would be gone on Day 2 anyway.

My guess is that there are other mafia goons in the game

Seems possible they were hoping to miseliminate you, in a game I just modded scum left a town roleblocker alive in the hopes they would get miseliminated even though a scum was already dead

[Ausuka]

VOTE: hoppip

I like this!

[Nero Cain]

579 just seemed a bit defensive and aggressive. It's possible that I'm misreading your tone but someone being misread and their response is

your read is lacking

just seems kinda odd to me.

What are your thoughts on my or anyone else's content since your last post?

Sorry your read sucks

I don't have any thoughts I want to share other than the question to Eiralox, otherwise I would have just, like, posted them.

[Nero Cain]

or I guess maybe I misread a lil' b/c you are commenting on the read on you and not my reads as a whole.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: hoppip

I like this!

Do you feel like since toy did nothing but vote town yesterday you should maybe rethink your reads?

[Ausuka]

i voted for a townie on day 1

who you also voted for

jesus christ

[Nero Cain]

I don't really think that's something to get upset over.

[Ausuka]

sorry but i really think the idea that all my reads are automatically wrong and i have to flip on everything because i voted wrong d1 is absolute nonsense

[Ausuka]

like, of course hoppip could be town. i never said hutmeil was definitely scum and i don't think hoppip is definitely scum

my mindset of who is acting towny or scummy isn't suddenly going to flip overnight. i have said why i suspected hoppip's posts in the past, i do not like that they have disappeared and would like them to post stuff. if you think hoppip is town tell me why. saying "oh you were wrong once so you're not allowed to vote your scumreads" does not fel constructive at all

it would be one thing if I thought you were scum here bullshitting but I think you are being genuine

[Ausuka]

well i mean, unless you're informed i don't really see how you can say i did "nothing but vote town"

do you know hoppip is town?

[Nero Cain]

but that's not what I said, I asked you if you think you need to rethink your reads.

though I don't really know where your head is at right now b/c you aren't really talking about your reads.

[Nero Cain]

ah the pushback

and nope

[Ausuka]

I mean I don't get your point then? If I thought Hutmeil being town made hoppip townier that would be one thing but I don't