Open 862: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Somnus]

Hopefully nobody comes out of a vent and we can have a victory royale

Ok, I've been wondering about this for over a month. Was this a cop crumb as a doctor? Best thing I was able to come up with back then was a Die Hard reference

It's an Amongst Us reference

Oh. Even though I never played it, that seems incredibly obvious now in hindsight.

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Whew. Ok. Done. Yeah Not_Mafia is town. Sorry. If we end up losing to scum!Not_Mafia, so be it. I was never getting there unless we had like 3 extra mis-lims. I just tried to multi-quote roughly 25 posts of his that I found town indicative, and I got this message:

"Your message contains too many smilies. The maximum number of smilies allowed is 30."

Pretty much sums up this game nicely.

Just read his ISO instead. I dunno.

[Not_Mafia]

Whew. Ok. Done. Yeah Not_Mafia is town. Sorry. If we end up losing to scum!Not_Mafia, so be it. I was never getting there unless we had like 3 extra mis-lims. I just tried to multi-quote roughly 25 posts of his that I found town indicative, and I got this message:

"Your message contains too many smilies. The maximum number of smilies allowed is 30."

Pretty much sums up this game nicely.

Just read his ISO instead. I dunno.

[Somnus]

Unless Enchant has drastically switched up his scumgame, his making posts like “99% wrong”, questioning if another player is town are things I don’t recall seeing from past Enchant scumgames. Do you disagree? @Gamma.

Aw shit. Here we go again.


Look, likelyhood of Somnus being town is already high.
No one scumread Goldfish for real, and only idea is "Let's kill Goldfish because null, if we are wrong, we get conftown anyway and can protect him!". Conftowning person who is already town is kiiiiiiiiiiiiiinda dumb, especially because with idea "Why not, we can protect him!".


It's just not worth it mechanically, unless there's like 80%+ chance of goldfish being mafia, and i am pretty confident that Goldfish is Town than not, but that's me (i can't provide reasonable explainings).
Even if Goldfish is mafia (which can be possible, like anything possible), it may be even benefiting to ignore him for a moment, where we are unsure. I strongly believe that he turns obvious lategame, and this way Somnus will be alive as well, which easies game a bit.


In unpredicted case, where Somnus and Goldfish both mafs (Which i am 99% sure NOT a case, but still), i still belive it's worth to watch them, not risk likelytowns just for sake of risk.

I agree with this, and this makes me feel better about Enchant's slot. Goldfish is the one who has a claimed inno on them, yeah? I don't want to lim Goldfish either.

-Mistress

Anyone else have a good read on Bellaphant? Please walk me through your thoughts.

@Norwee: Oops, the other way round - got it.

-Mistress

Gamma, Nancy, and Friend, What are your current reasons for not voting?

I was waiting for replace in to do something. Hopefully that happens very soon.

What was something you'd hope they do?

If I can get a strong read on that slot one way or another, that’s will really help me hopefully decide who to vote.

How will that help decide?

I’m hoping. Well, if they’re really townie, it would confirm for me that Enchant is probably town because they usually don’t defend town as scum. A lot of players have expressed opinions on that slot and since Goldfish really didn’t do pretty much anything AI, that might possibly be informative, no?

Gamma, Nancy, and Friend, What are your current reasons for not voting?

I was waiting for replace in to do something. Hopefully that happens very soon.

What was something you'd hope they do?

If I can get a strong read on that slot one way or another, that’s will really help me hopefully decide who to vote.

How will that help decide?

I’m hoping. Well, if they’re really townie, it would confirm for me that Enchant is probably town because they usually don’t defend town as scum. A lot of players have expressed opinions on that slot and since Goldfish really didn’t do pretty much anything AI, that might possibly be informative, no?

Could a scum Enchant be defending a town Goldfish because it would be an easy person to defend?

Sure it’s possible but in my experience playing with scum!Enchant, he’s far less likely to do that.

I don’t think you’re scum here, you’re just doing way too many things I see as pretty much being absent from your scumgame.

You keep saying this and I keep posting reads while you don't. It's boring and annoying. I think my progression on reads is fairly transparent too - I moved from scum reading norwee to thinking they are most likely town, my tr of the hydra is slipping, etc: I'm not hiding things

We solve differently, I'm never as aggressive as you as town or scum.

I've talked about enchant and Jake a lot. Enchant hasn't really tried to engage in my scum read of them, although they have done to slots like gamma, which also strikes me as weird. It would be easy to say the dueling wagons mean one is deffo town and one is deffo scum, and from that 50/50 I'd pick enchant any day -i don't see what the hydra sees about their meta (enchant has had scum games where they are absent, but not all of them, and does this feel like deptuy cultists enchant to you??).

Do you have other scum reads? Your scum read of me feels weirdly 'safe', especially because you aren't basing it on much.

Because I didn’t see the votecount and we aren’t currently tr you? Tell me how this doesn’t look at least slightly like omgus?

You’re the one who was shading us because I didn’t see the vc. Are you now going to deny that fact?

Awkward, because I was about to respond to bbt that nm kinda fills that middle role for me.

@mistress, no, I'll post proper responses after its not dinner/bath/bed time

How so when NM isn’t even being remotely hedgey? He’s made it abundantly clear what his reads are no?

Auro’s agreeing with me on Enchant.

@mistress, you popped straight up when bbt started talking about a wagon/ a scum read of me, but managed to not notice the post you responded quite attacky to and asked me if i.was 'denying that fact' wasn't even to you. Can you not see why I'd find that worrying?

How do you not see that you shading me for not realizing that Enchant was at e-1 because I was incorrect about the vc and juxtaposing that with Auro’s read on you wouldn’t massively ping me? Those are two completely unrelated things.

See, Enchant is inclined to have those horrible kinds of takes but I’d expect much better from you.

I was pretty much neutral on you prior to that.

~N

Oh wait you literally said he does agree with you on Enchant, nvm my second question.

I think Enchant has a lot of really bad takes given that he plays extremely scummy irrespective of alignment so shouldn’t be all that shocked and outraged for being extremely hard to read but yeah, he’s also said quite a few things that town ping me, like the “99% I’m wrong thing” questioning if Jake might also be town etc, And so far I’m liking Kop and that’s yet another thing that bodes well for my Enchant read as well because scum!Enchant usually either defends scummy players which usually turn out to be his buddies in many of the games I’ve played with scum!him.

~N

Yeah, Auro’s come around to agreeing with me on town!Enchant.

[Somnus]

I feel very confident on

Somnus

, you (Gamma),

Penguin

and probably

NM

town.

-shrug-

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the best point I can make for me being town is I am a lot more keen on seeing how people wouldn’t be aligned with my scum partners when at least one of the players in question has a certain line they wouldn’t let a scum partner cross. So me having to figure it out during Day 3 wrt ND39 and froggo doesn’t make sense for me to have done as scum.

Can you reword this please? I can't make head nor tail of it

If I was scum I would have sunk the logic for why the Nancy Drew kill happened in one
Instead I ended up with a bogey because I wasn’t pulling from scum POV to help process things

I can provide a link to a game where I did pull that logic out seamlessly as scum if wanted

Remind me of the commentary around the Nancy Drew kill

froggo made some unsavory posts towards Nancy Drew that she would not have abided were they scum partners

I did not immediately realize this upon seeing the Nancy Drew kill. My argument is I would have figured it out already as scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Have you guys tried tomato beans and egg on some nice rough brown bread. With thick bacon slices and HP sauce. Jolly good mate.
Who says the English can’t make some good food?

[Somnus]

Can't say I have. I think there may be one Brit still in this game that hasn't entered the dead thread yet though. I'm too 'murican for that, I guess.

[PenguinPower]

Can't say I have. I think there may be one Brit still in this game that hasn't entered the dead thread yet though. I'm too 'murican for that, I guess.

sooooo....gamma first?

[Not_Mafia]

I think the best point I can make for me being town is I am a lot more keen on seeing how people wouldn’t be aligned with my scum partners when at least one of the players in question has a certain line they wouldn’t let a scum partner cross. So me having to figure it out during Day 3 wrt ND39 and froggo doesn’t make sense for me to have done as scum.

Can you reword this please? I can't make head nor tail of it

If I was scum I would have sunk the logic for why the Nancy Drew kill happened in one
Instead I ended up with a bogey because I wasn’t pulling from scum POV to help process things

I can provide a link to a game where I did pull that logic out seamlessly as scum if wanted

Remind me of the commentary around the Nancy Drew kill

froggo made some unsavory posts towards Nancy Drew that she would not have abided were they scum partners

I did not immediately realize this upon seeing the Nancy Drew kill. My argument is I would have figured it out already as scum.

That really doesn't mean anything to anyone but you

[Gamma Emerald]

[Somnus]

VOTE: Gamma

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E-1. I used my night action already, by the way.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

I don’t believe the sudden Bella turnaround, it really just seems like there was a panic in the scum PT because it looked almost certain Penguin was going to vote Bella and he wanted to be on the wagon

[Somnus]

-sigh-

UNVOTE: Gamma

[Somnus]

I mean, as you said, the game is already solved for a town!Not_Mafia, but I can appreciate you trying to get it right today, I suppose. I'll go back to reading later.

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It was abrupt, and these two posts are literally 5 minutes apart.

Bella, hello.

Convenient how Bellaphant said they sussed me, then went real quiet about that when put on E-1.
I’ve already said i thought Bella could be scum earlier this game. This is payback for what feels like an attempt ar a real slimy turn around. I wouldn’t have done this if it wasn’t for that.
VOTE: Bellaphant

[NorwegianboyEE]

Rude, i never panic.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you're gonna paint me as scum then at least make me seem like very competent and clever scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

lol

[Somnus]

The problem is, with the voting patterns that took place, this is very much Double Spider-Man meme, but both Spider-Mans are mafia. We're sure there's not 4 mafia, right???

[Somnus]

Gonna be out for maybe 2 hours or so.

[Gamma Emerald]

I hammered Jake in part just to ensure an elim happened
Norwee's vote was not the same, as Penguin was leaning voting Bella already

[Somnus]

Terrible vanity reason for me to vote Norwegian today: My end of day vote has never been on town on this site (unless it was on Days 1 and 3 in this game. Don't know yet). Well...at least when I've been town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My vote just proves my absolute superior detective ability.
Compared to the other noobs in my position that likely would just keep up the deathtunnel. I could instantly tell i had to flip my reads 180 because Bella was acting scummy. Who else does that as town? Tell me that good sir.