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[Best Bird]

I've been trying to play like how scum me plays in terms of agreeing with people and trying to get townreads. its not fun for me to die day 1 every towngame. see my last game before i retired. i tried to replicate my scum meta and got tunneled by everyone who has played with me before.

it's day 11

[Noraa]

and?

[butterflies]

i called nancy out for the 180 on johnny. you think i am scum with johnny. scum that decided to create pairings of scum, all with my scum partner instead of taking nancy's 180 and running with it.

To paraphrase Luke - yes.

He posted Friday night that 14966 where you say you think that bb-nancy is more likely than johnny-nancy looks like you are actively in the middle of pivoting away from Johnny, either to Nancy or to me.

Spoiler: which coincidentally you later did here

I think the best elim right now is best bird>johnny>oth.
this is in terms of threat level. i dont think we have issues eliminating scum johnny or scum oth in elo. in fact, i think im more worried about mislimming them potentially if town, so we definitely dont have the issue of not elimming them if scum. the way oth is getting heat for what i see as not being active and best bird isnt because he was all defeatist and angry for no reason makes me also think best bird has a higher likelihood of not being town here since the gamestate is almost always going to favor scum because scum is trying to seem towny whereas town doesnt try to seem towny.
i think the best course of action today is to eliminate best bird. ask luke to leave a final reads list and we'll consider it true if best bird flips town and not consider it if he doesnt. luke is definitely posting because that stuff he said about me is a literal copy of what he's always said about me, so if best bird is actually town, a final reads list with reasons from luke is very important. but i think the risk of scum best bird running away with a win is much higher than scum johnny or oth doing the same thing especially if he has luke content to just copy paste.
consider two situations:
1) we eliminate oth and oth flips town. consider scum best birds chances in elo.
2) we eliminate best bird and best bird flips town. consider scum oths chances in elo.
i dont think those are even vaguely close and the same applies to johnny.

This is while you are also saying that it could also be that it really is nancy-johnny which makes it clear that Nancy has scum equity with Johnny in case he gets flipped today so that you can then lean into the "Nancy as a partner" theory.

actually i want to flip you today so are you nancy's partner?

Maybe you’re onto something here BB? Noraa is being very concerningly hedgey on me. Like she won’t come out and straight up call me town and town!Noraa isn’t usually this hedgey.

:/ ok. like no i will not come out and call you town. yeah, you're right. i won't because you might be scum. defending my slot in a gladiate is your argument for why you're town and i dont buy that.
im considering you town for the rest of today, but that's grace.

its not really ever changed. i've been thinking about the game as two worlds. one is that butterflies is town and the other is that butterflies is scum.

Like with this post. How does she not have a clear read on me yet? Like why would scum!me go to bat for someone who’s tunnelling me?

Scum you will do anything to get townread. it doesn't matter how ridiculous it sounds in theory. if it gets you townreads, you'll do it. why would going to bat for someone who tunnels you get you townreads? exactly because of this argument.

None of these posts sound like town!you in any game ever. Town!you doesn’t completely ignore all evidence that I’m town. Like Pooky nk. He said I was never scum here and you completely ignored it because he didn’t happen to have perfect reads. It’s extremely obvious I can’t be aligned with anyone unless you want to get really creative and try to push either MB or Roden as my buddy? Or you can get extremely adventurous and push me with STD or cb. I’m sure they could use some love.

[butterflies]

i called nancy out for the 180 on johnny. you think i am scum with johnny. scum that decided to create pairings of scum, all with my scum partner instead of taking nancy's 180 and running with it.

To paraphrase Luke - yes.

He posted Friday night that 14966 where you say you think that bb-nancy is more likely than johnny-nancy looks like you are actively in the middle of pivoting away from Johnny, either to Nancy or to me.

Spoiler: which coincidentally you later did here

I think the best elim right now is best bird>johnny>oth.
this is in terms of threat level. i dont think we have issues eliminating scum johnny or scum oth in elo. in fact, i think im more worried about mislimming them potentially if town, so we definitely dont have the issue of not elimming them if scum. the way oth is getting heat for what i see as not being active and best bird isnt because he was all defeatist and angry for no reason makes me also think best bird has a higher likelihood of not being town here since the gamestate is almost always going to favor scum because scum is trying to seem towny whereas town doesnt try to seem towny.
i think the best course of action today is to eliminate best bird. ask luke to leave a final reads list and we'll consider it true if best bird flips town and not consider it if he doesnt. luke is definitely posting because that stuff he said about me is a literal copy of what he's always said about me, so if best bird is actually town, a final reads list with reasons from luke is very important. but i think the risk of scum best bird running away with a win is much higher than scum johnny or oth doing the same thing especially if he has luke content to just copy paste.
consider two situations:
1) we eliminate oth and oth flips town. consider scum best birds chances in elo.
2) we eliminate best bird and best bird flips town. consider scum oths chances in elo.
i dont think those are even vaguely close and the same applies to johnny.

This is while you are also saying that it could also be that it really is nancy-johnny which makes it clear that Nancy has scum equity with Johnny in case he gets flipped today so that you can then lean into the "Nancy as a partner" theory.

actually i want to flip you today so are you nancy's partner?

Maybe you’re onto something here BB? Noraa is being very concerningly hedgey on me. Like she won’t come out and straight up call me town and town!Noraa isn’t usually this hedgey.

:/ ok. like no i will not come out and call you town. yeah, you're right. i won't because you might be scum. defending my slot in a gladiate is your argument for why you're town and i dont buy that.
im considering you town for the rest of today, but that's grace.

its not really ever changed. i've been thinking about the game as two worlds. one is that butterflies is town and the other is that butterflies is scum.

Like with this post. How does she not have a clear read on me yet? Like why would scum!me go to bat for someone who’s tunnelling me?

Scum you will do anything to get townread. it doesn't matter how ridiculous it sounds in theory. if it gets you townreads, you'll do it. why would going to bat for someone who tunnels you get you townreads? exactly because of this argument.

None of these posts sound like town!you in any game ever. Town!you doesn’t completely ignore all evidence that I’m town. Like Pooky nk. He said I was never scum here and you completely ignored it because he didn’t happen to have perfect reads. It’s extremely obvious I can’t be aligned with anyone unless you want to get really creative and try to push either MB or Roden as my buddy? Or you can get extremely adventurous and push me with STD or cb. I’m sure they could use some love.

[butterflies]

Why does MS keep doing that? :/

[Best Bird]

and?

that you're trying to replicate your scum!meta because of d1 whatever is nonsense.

[Noraa]

where is the evidence? who cares what pooky said one time? pooky could easily change his mind. and pooky's reads dont matter as far as im concerned bc if pooky was having a good game, this game wouldnt still be going.

how is it obvious you cant be aligned with anyone?

like your entire argument for why you're town is that you are town. like if i need to post a couple posts like that, i will. it doesn't make sense to me that you expect me to townread you off of posts where you just call yourself town and provide zero evidence or like good reasons. like what am i supposed to townread from the content of your posts? im more bothered by the fact that you expect me to townread you than anything else. like why should i? and im just scum for not town reading you at the end of the day. because "this is not how town noraa talks to me"

[Noraa]

like if i post a post saying i am town because who could i be aligned with? how could i be scum with anyone? i am playing as blatant town.
i would not get townread for it and i dont expect to either. your expectations are unreasonable.

[Noraa]

and?

that you're trying to replicate your scum!meta because of d1 whatever is nonsense.

is it? the moment i let myself go, i blow up and get locktowned. is that really what i want to be doing here? no. it really isnt.

[Best Bird]

you've said a lot of words that don't really do anything to refute how you've been scummy - you've just said that you're intentionally playing scummy for reasons that don't make sense (against your town meta) and refuse to read most of the game.

go on. blow up.

[butterflies]

Noraa, I know I’m town and I already explained why I don’t want to touch OtH. MB seems townie and Roden is IC. I was initially confused at Roden’s argument about Johnny being a bus but that doesn’t make sense and you’re the only one who seems to want to push BB. Your progression on me just isn’t believable, And you suddenly backtrack because I vote you?

You have been majorly hedging on me. Waffling and even flip flopping can come from town but hedging rarely does. You have very obviously been positioning me as scum with literally ANYONE. You really think I’m that blind?

[Noraa]

you're intentionally playing scummy

not what i said but ok

[Noraa]

Noraa, I know I’m town and I already explained why I don’t want to touch OtH. MB seems townie and Roden is IC. I was initially confused at Roden’s argument about Johnny being a bus but that doesn’t make sense and you’re the only one who seems to want to push BB. Your progression on me just isn’t believable, And you suddenly backtrack because I vote you?

You have been majorly hedging on me. Waffling and even flip flopping can come from town but hedging rarely does. You have very obviously been positioning me as scum with literally ANYONE. You really think I’m that blind?

i didnt say anything about touching oth as far as i remember. i know roden is an ic. hell your progression on me isnt believable.

i said you and bb and you and johnny. thats TWO pairings.

[Best Bird]

I've been trying to play like how scum me plays

sure sure...i should have read this as the opposite of what you wrote.

[butterflies]

where is the evidence? who cares what pooky said one time? pooky could easily change his mind. and pooky's reads dont matter as far as im concerned bc if pooky was having a good game, this game wouldnt still be going.

how is it obvious you cant be aligned with anyone?

like your entire argument for why you're town is that you are town. like if i need to post a couple posts like that, i will. it doesn't make sense to me that you expect me to townread you off of posts where you just call yourself town and provide zero evidence or like good reasons. like what am i supposed to townread from the content of your posts? im more bothered by the fact that you expect me to townread you than anything else. like why should i? and im just scum for not town reading you at the end of the day. because "this is not how town noraa talks to me"

like if i post a post saying i am town because who could i be aligned with? how could i be scum with anyone? i am playing as blatant town.
i would not get townread for it and i dont expect to either. your expectations are unreasonable.

I’d say it’s your reactions. You are still. HEDGING, do you not get why that’s scummy? I’m not tr you for that.

[butterflies]

Noraa, I know I’m town and I already explained why I don’t want to touch OtH. MB seems townie and Roden is IC. I was initially confused at Roden’s argument about Johnny being a bus but that doesn’t make sense and you’re the only one who seems to want to push BB. Your progression on me just isn’t believable, And you suddenly backtrack because I vote you?

You have been majorly hedging on me. Waffling and even flip flopping can come from town but hedging rarely does. You have very obviously been positioning me as scum with literally ANYONE. You really think I’m that blind?

i didnt say anything about touching oth as far as i remember. i know roden is an ic. hell your progression on me isnt believable.

i said you and bb and you and johnny. thats TWO pairings.

So you want towncred for skipping OtH and MB?

[Noraa]

Im calling you out for the way you call everyone who calls you scum scum. if thats hedging, sure.

[Noraa]

Noraa, I know I’m town and I already explained why I don’t want to touch OtH. MB seems townie and Roden is IC. I was initially confused at Roden’s argument about Johnny being a bus but that doesn’t make sense and you’re the only one who seems to want to push BB. Your progression on me just isn’t believable, And you suddenly backtrack because I vote you?

You have been majorly hedging on me. Waffling and even flip flopping can come from town but hedging rarely does. You have very obviously been positioning me as scum with literally ANYONE. You really think I’m that blind?

i didnt say anything about touching oth as far as i remember. i know roden is an ic. hell your progression on me isnt believable.

i said you and bb and you and johnny. thats TWO pairings.

So you want towncred for skipping OtH and MB?

you claimed that i said you could be scum with anyone which is a lie.

[Best Bird]

i didnt say anything about touching oth as far as i remember.

No?

i think bb>johnny>oth still for today.

[butterflies]

I've been trying to play like how scum me plays

sure sure...i should have read this as the opposite of what you wrote.

This is what scum!Noraa usually says when ze’s caught. Ze was extremely obvious town in Chromavalon and that Pooky dance game I was in. And your towngame has become really good. You’re sr me FOR The SAKE of sr me. I was perplexed at that inane deathtunnel but I tr Taly so hard, I just kept hand waiving it.

[Noraa]

if i rememebr correctly, i've always died early in all of pooky's games to death tunnels. chromavalon i also died really early.
my towngame has become good? in what way? my win rate? or my reads? or my survival rate? 1 have neither a good win rate, good reads, or survival rate on average in town games. where are you getting this from?

i sr you because you keep telling me i have to TR you for no reason.

[butterflies]

Im calling you out for the way you call everyone who calls you scum scum. if thats hedging, sure.

Town!you doesn’t obsessively focus on me and me alone and that’s what you did and pretty much continue to do, which could actually be town indicative if you we’re putting even the slightest effort into genuinely trying to solve me which you’re clearly not doing.

If you contrast that with BB’s progression on me, yours is just simply unbelievable. You also have two confitowns tr me and you also continue to ignore that as well and well of course there was also Pooky who said I was never scum here. You are just pushing me for the sake of pushing me. I can tell the difference between someone wrongly sr me and a nonsensical tunnel. I don’t read it any longer as town motivated.

[Noraa]

no i lied. chromavalon i was alive at endgame. i tunneled dunn day 1 and exploded the thread which always gets me townread :/

[butterflies]

if i rememebr correctly, i've always died early in all of pooky's games to death tunnels. chromavalon i also died really early.
my towngame has become good? in what way? my win rate? or my reads? or my survival rate? 1 have neither a good win rate, good reads, or survival rate on average in town games. where are you getting this from?

i sr you because you keep telling me i have to TR you for no reason.

No Noraa, I and others have given you a fuckton of reasons. Like none of this is convincing me I’m wrong here.

[Noraa]

Im calling you out for the way you call everyone who calls you scum scum. if thats hedging, sure.

Town!you doesn’t obsessively focus on me and me alone and that’s what you did and pretty much continue to do, which could actually be town indicative if you we’re putting even the slightest effort into genuinely trying to solve me which you’re clearly not doing.

If you contrast that with BB’s progression on me, yours is just simply unbelievable. You also have two confitowns tr me and you also continue to ignore that as well and well of course there was also Pooky who said I was never scum here. You are just pushing me for the sake of pushing me. I can tell the difference between someone wrongly sr me and a nonsensical tunnel. I don’t read it any longer as town motivated.

obsessively focusing is not scum or town indicative. and how do you even measure effort solving? i could put a lot of effort into solving you and you could say that.

who cares that conftown trs you? lukewarm is conftown and his read on me is wrong. like your entire argument is that conftown tr you and you didnt let taly get gladiated and are playing entirely to your town meta. why should i townread you