I find myself with less and less things I want to comment on as I'm reading up. Dunno if I'm just tired b/c it's saturday or what.
In post 457, SCRRRDBEAR wrote: In post 448, Val89 wrote:I don't see anything that particularly pings me about Marashu from what is evident in this thread. Anyone from Thunder able to give me a TLDR on what's happening in there to want to wagon Marashu, or point me to it if it's already been given and I've missed it?
I THINK IT WAS A POE READ BECAUSE I WAS OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THERE WOULD BE 1 DARK ONE IN EACH HOOD, AND I QUICKLY BELIEVED THAT CHARLOUX AND PENGUIN WERE TOWN.
This is, uh, an Interesting statement considering that I would not expect that read on Penguin from most players. I ?probably? have the best read on Penguin out of anyone in this game and I think he's been decidedly null so far. He gets more readable as the game goes on and I expect by the end of Day 1 I
should
have a strong read on his alignment But I don't so far. What did you see from him you thought was towny?
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In post 475, Something_Smart wrote:I didn't really like 102, it seemed to be explaining away people's reads instead of engaging with them. 164 is pretty shallow (in particular I think most of what I was doing was not particularly towny but easy to throw a townread at), 232 and the followup feel TMI-y because Titus did not in fact confirm it, and I have a silly tinfoil that she mixed up PP and FA in 297 because they're both her partners (and a less silly one that she mixed them up because they are both town).
I feel like the setup spec stuff is a not-impossible assumption given my own thing was along those lines but I can agree the early posts you highlighted feel a bit stiff.
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In post 476, Datisi wrote:also, why wouldn't i be clam? i get pushed for nonsense in the early game practically every other game nowadays. i didn't think the current pushes on me were very notable or interesting. i still wanted to address them.
This is true, but I feel like you've tended toward being more paranoid of those pushing you than what you've shown here?
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In post 479, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:
BECAUSE TOWN-YOU IS UNINFORMED WHICH CREATES UNCERTAINTY, SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT DISPLAYING.
In post 476, Datisi wrote:i get pushed for nonsense in the early game practically every other game nowadays. i didn't think the current pushes on me were very notable or interesting. i still wanted to address them.
THIS IS A FALSE NARRATIVE INTENDED TO EXPLAIN AWAY YOUR SCUM TELLS. IT IS TRUE THAT YOU ARE OFTEN PUSHED EARLY FOR BAD REASONS; HOWEVER, TOWN-YOU DOESN'T REACT THE WAY YOU ARE REACTING NOW BECAUSE TOWN-YOU HAS TO SORT THE PLAYERS PUSHING YOU. YOU AREN'T TRYING TO SORT PLAYERS LIKE ME WHO ARE PUSHING YOU, YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO APPEAR NONCHALANT AND HOPING TO GET TOWNREAD RANDOMLY ON ACCIDENT BY BEING PRESENT IN THE THREAD.
NEXT, ONCE YOU REALIZE THAT I WILL NOT BE TALKED AWAY FROM MY TONE READ ON YOU, YOU WILL FLIP YOUR READ ON ME AND MAKE BAD EXCUSES WHY MY READ ON YOU SHOULD NOT BE TRUSTED.
Bear's just a townie, I was feeling a slight twinge of doubt but I don't think this case is particularly likely to be coming from scum. The conviction shown appears real and the little bit of little bit of pre-emptively anticipatin Datisi shifting tactics feels like town who believes they've really caught on to something.
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In post 484, fireisredsir wrote: In post 481, Datisi wrote:pedit - fire, is that thought supported by meta or is it independent of it? what feels off to you?
meta in the sense that it doesn't feel like, natural for you, i guess
like the nonchalance feels kind of awkward and ingenuine, in a way that feels off based on just knowing you
idk about if it's supported by meta in the sense of does this feel more like your town or scum game, but the way you approach games as scum seems to vary widely and ive wrongly let go of suspicion before bc it didn't necessarily match up with prior scum experiences. it doesn't really match how id expect you to act as town, though
I like the fact that fire is making this observation because it pretty much lines up with my own thoughts, this isn't really the response I'd expect Datisi to have to pressure as town and it's good that we're on the same page here. I wouldn't say it's damning or anything for Datisi because every game is different but consider me raising a skeptcal eyebrow at it.
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In post 498, Mistyx wrote: In post 458, Bell wrote:Misty: Your standards for what you think is relevant is too high if you think there is one total player with alignment indicative posts so far. I’m not here to coach. But you’re going to be dead soon if you don’t alter course.
I consider gimmicks to come from strange people.@Bear.
In post 486, Bell wrote:VOTE: Mistyx
*stares gently at Datisi*
I’m not sorry.
not sure what to think about this
part of my gut wants to call the first post tmi on me since it’s not like he townreads me but maybe it’s just a weird style thing
I don't really understand how that's supposed to be TMI Like, him saying you have too high standards is speaking from the implicit POV you are town? I don't think that's really indicative of anything, people very often tend to speak from that perspective in games and I've seen more than one person get run up because of making a statement with supposed TMI. I feel like that particular type of scumread is very rarely true.
In post 499, Mistyx wrote:val is probably town, the commitment to the alisae case and then cooling on the read unprompted didn’t feel like agenda (on phone so not grabbing postnums)
I don't think this is particularly good rationale given scum can easily soften/temper a scumread they aren't finding any support on and I
kind of
think that was what was happening with Val - the overall response to his Alisae case seemed to be a collective shoulder shrug and in that instance I think scum typically doesn't keep trying to argue something they know won't work. I think that
might be what have happened, actually, but I'd want to go dig in the ISO first.
