In post 1852, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:
No
simply put if you're town reading mastina and you hardly believe both scum reads happen to be on wagon you know that the only scenarios are:
- she genuinely looks scummy to both scum teams and they are assuming she is from other team
- she is from one scum team has the other team pushing her and her partner is distancing by voting her team mate too
Scum do not *have* to care what someone's alignment is in multiball; rhey so not need to aim for the other scumteam in the day; scum could want mastina dead for several reasons that aren't the two you presented as the 'only scenarios'
when I said there are too many spread out wagons, I meant too many 1 voters on random people cause people are trying to find a counter wagon with support yet they are failing
Failing quite badly; it would be incredibly easy to make one of those 1-vote wagons a 2- or 3- vote wagon. I wonder why that wasn't happening?
so what gave you the impression that I think both scum teams are voting mastina too and being dishonest?
Nothing, I didn't say you think this
also how is voting scum not in favor of town even if a scum team or both have votes on it as well?! I cant think of a possible scenario where that is the case
Game theory. There are three competing factions that cannot win with each other. Two informed factions think it is in their interest for something to happen. Either they're *wrong*, or the third factions does not benefit from the action.
I assert that both scumteams clearly want the mastina wagon to go through, therefore the mastina wagon going through is bad for town. (I think the reason for this is because mastina is town!)
yet you have absolutely no evidence to claim both scum teams are pushing her. we don't even know there are two scum "teams" just that there are two scum group names that we know absolutely nothing about
also more importantly where did I say you're scum? I said these kind of observations can come from scum more easy as they have more information. did I hit a nerve there?
I'm not interested in playing semantics with you.
scum have to just vote another slot that is not their team, and make a compelling case against them. easier for a case to be compelling when its true right?
regardless my point was no one knows what are people actually thinking you're just over guessing too deeply for it to mean anything. there are ten million scenarios in which mastina is voted on by just one scum team and ten million other scenarios in which she is voted by two scum teams and like way less scenarios in which she has no scum voting her.
but none of that mean anything about mastina being town specially in multiball. Your assertaion that "there are no counter wagons hence she is voted by both scum teams hence she is town" is wrong in every single concussion.
first you cant get from the "there are no counter wagons" to "she is voted by both scum teams" .
- there might be no other scum team. what if a cult (solar or lunar) started with solo member and she has no team mate as scum?
- what if her possible team mate is trying to initiate a counter wagon and it didn't get any momentum, yet they still don't wanna jump on others cases for whatever other reason?
- what if the other scum team is not forcing the game play and her wagon is mostly town driven?
the other wagons all having 1 vote just means that no one feels confident enough to take lead on creating a counter wagon. while not being confident is a town trait, it can be as much from a scum who doesn't wanna take the lead to get heat later on.
tldr; your assumption that both scums are voting mastina because there are no other heated wagon is just a possibility. I would give it 60% chance to be true (that there are at least one scum of each team pushing her) but its just random assumption at this point.
your second conclusion is way worse. you saying mastina is town cause both scum teams are voting her makes no sense. Lets hypothetically assume we know both teams are voting mastina. scum team mates can vote their team mates as well and the other team can be genuinely scum hunting is what I said as its multiball and everyone know it. scum are looking for compelling cases to push town toward and whats a more compelling case than a true case?
so this is pure fallacy and attempt to not look at mastina based on logical assertion if you wanna sort mastina based on votes state at the moment since there are no information about who will flip what.
and not semantics. truthfully and as a part of my game play I never town read or scum read anyone for any action or posting a single post because of what they wrote. I town read and scum read of people after analyzing the event and the series of posts they make. I think in your case it was genuine after these 2 post-responses so I actually lean town on you and not scum.
