Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[mastina]

Will have more to say later if Enchant doesn't hammer, but Enchant is off the wagon so like, if he doesn't hammer, y'all know what that means.

Okay let me spell it out for you now that it has manifested.

Enchant always hammers as scum.

Enchant always hammers as town.

This is not a trust tell as a consequence, because him always hammering is done regardless of alignment.

Now, he will vote pre-hammer so can't hammer a wagon he's already on.

But if given the opportunity to hammer--even if it's a townread, even if it's a PR. Enchant will still hammer.

And having a stalled gamestate is all the more

reason

for Enchant to hammer. He'd have extra incentive to get the game into night, just so that we're not in the day anymore.

So then.

When there is MORE reason to hammer, rather than less.
And Enchant--regardless of his alignment--should hammer.

That begs the question:

Hm

So
UNVOTE:
Ya better to pick someone else. Use frozen deadline for full extent.

...Why isn't he?

There's only one reason which fits:

Enchant is scum

with

Radical Rat.

I suspected that in the first place when Enchant hopped onto my wagon when the Radical Rat wagon was bigger, attempting to tie the wagons up (and almost succeeding). Enchant can and will vote not to hammer, but he still likes to hammer and voting me at that time would deny him that if the wagon were to go through (and a wagon on me was quite likely to go through).

So why vote me there?

To try and save RR.

And the lack of hammer on RR proves it.

Pagetop.

[Radical Rat]

Enchant does NOT 100% always hammer. He does like to lolhammer a lot, but he's not Not_Mafia.

[Enchant]

I hammer when it makes sense. Like when i think person is scum. Then yes, i hammer without hesitance, because it's for win.
I hammer as scum when it benefits me as well.

RR role is just plausable enough.

[mastina]

This Rat wagon is soooo bad.

I'm not gonna claim that it's scum free, because obviously, it's not.

But it's still a town-driven wagon.

Radical Rat(8) Mastina, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Yume, furtiveglance, Past Present Future, Bunnyonce, Ydrasse, Scarfmanship [E-1!]

I'm town.

Dingle Dangle Scarecrow is town. Period. This is Klick as town.

Yume is town. Period. This is unnegotiable. She is locktown of locktown, never scum here ever.

Past Present Future is town. Period. This is all three being town. Never scum ever, locktown of locktown.

Ydrasse is town. Save the Dragons was in his town meta and Ydrasse has continued to show herself to be town since replacing in.

So where are the sum?

The only

options

(not guarantees, just OPTIONS) are {furtiveglance, Bunnyonce, Scarfmanship}.

That's a MAXIMUM of three scum,

if

you believe that all three are scum.

For every name you see as town in those three, the number of possible scum on the wagon falls.

Suffice to say: no, not scumdriven. It's at least 5/8 town.

[Enchant]

Fact it's town drived doesh't meant you didn't fuck up.

[Bunnyonce]

Hot take: I think

RR

’s claim is true, but he is from Lunar Cult. I don’t know what the wincons for the two scum factions are though, if they don’t have to kill each other too then it might not be making sense.

~Greeting

[Radical Rat]

¤ Each non-town faction wins when they make up half the remaiming players, and the other scumteam is all eliminated.

[mastina]

This Rat wagon is soooo bad.

I'm not gonna claim that it's scum free, because obviously, it's not.

But it's still a town-driven wagon.

Radical Rat(8) Mastina, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Yume, furtiveglance, Past Present Future, Bunnyonce, Ydrasse, Scarfmanship [E-1!]

I'm town.

Dingle Dangle Scarecrow is town. Period. This is Klick as town.

Yume is town. Period. This is unnegotiable. She is locktown of locktown, never scum here ever.

Past Present Future is town. Period. This is all three being town. Never scum ever, locktown of locktown.

Ydrasse is town. Save the Dragons was in his town meta and Ydrasse has continued to show herself to be town since replacing in.

So where are the sum?

The only

options

(not guarantees, just OPTIONS) are {furtiveglance, Bunnyonce, Scarfmanship}.

That's a MAXIMUM of three scum,

if

you believe that all three are scum.

For every name you see as town in those three, the number of possible scum on the wagon falls.

Suffice to say: no, not scumdriven. It's at least 5/8 town.

In contrast:

Mastina (7) T-Bone, Radical Rat, Maid Cafe, professotic, Mathblade, unwnd, Enchant

I believe T-Bone, professotic, and MathBlade to be town in here.

But only those 3.

There's four possible scum on the mastina wagon.
{Radical Rat, Maid Cafe, unwnd, Enchant}.

Enchant's hop-on looks like scum saving a scumbuddy.
unwnd's replace-in radiates scum.
And Maid Cafe has been looking more and more scum.

Are all four scum?

Not unless I'm a god gamer scumhunter. (I am not a god gamer scumhunter.)

But are all four town?

Fuck no! There's guaranteed scum in there.

I would say 2-3 of RR's scumteam on mastina wagon (actually this is mandatory--even if FA is a scumbuddy, then unless MMR is the third or RR had a bussing scumbuddy, there is a minimum of two RR-scumteam on the wagon);
~0-2 of opposite scumteam on the RR wagon.

(FA scum off the wagon so I don't think it's all scum on both.)

If I had to guess,
{Radical Rat, Enchant, unwnd} (so yes all 3 on me) as one scumteam;
{Frozen Angel, Bunnyonce, Scarfmanship} as the other.

[Radical Rat]

Why does Enchant unvote you if his goal is just to save me? If he's giving up on me, he can hammer and be done with it. If he's not, keeping you as high as possible is the best option, is it not?

[mastina]

(Okay so it's Radical Rat + 2/3 of {Enchant, unwnd, Maid Cafe} for one scumteam, actually. I just think Enchant scumtold, and that unwnd fits better as an RR scumbuddy.

It's Frozen Angel + 2/3 of {Bunnyonce, Scarfmanship, remainder-from-the-above} for the other. Thinking about it more, I somewhat doubt that Bunnyonce and Scarfmanship are scum together so I think my revised second scumteam is Frozen Angel + Maid Cafe + 1/2 of {Bunnyonce, Scarfmanship}.)

[mastina]

If he's not, keeping you as high as possible is the best option, is it not?

Objectively? Yes!

Objectively speaking, Enchant as scum keeping me as high as possible is the best option.

But I don't think Enchant is

that

objective.

I think Enchant had scum motivation to hop onto my wagon when he did--but hopping off of my wagon doesn't carry town motivation. It's an objectively suboptimal play imo, but I'm not Enchant. I have

guesses

. I have

theories

. Enchant trying to mimic his towngame; Enchant believing that he has a better chance of saving you by unvoting me and hoping the town is distracted by trying to find a counterwagon; Enchant not having a plan and just doing it for the sake of doing it; Enchant thinking that removing his vote increases the odds of my wagon going through; etc.

I can

guess

at why he did what he did, but I don't know why he did it. It's an objectively suboptimal move imo, but it's exactly that: in MY opinion. His opinion can, and often does, differ from mine. So if in his opinion it was better to unvote, then he would unvote.

A town player is not going to have all the answers for why scum do the things that scum do--that doesn't stop them from correctly identifying the scum as scum.

And I believe that Enchant's play and progression here indicates he's scum with you--and your defense of him pretty much solidifies that.

[Enchant]

I voted you for joke because you spammed.

[Enchant]

Hot take: I think

RR

’s claim is true, but he is from Lunar Cult. I don’t know what the wincons for the two scum factions are though, if they don’t have to kill each other too then it might not be making sense.

~Greeting

Possible. But it's Lunar Cult problem.

[Enchant]

Wait i mean Solar Cult.

[Yume]

Hot take: I think

RR

’s claim is true, but he is from Lunar Cult. I don’t know what the wincons for the two scum factions are though, if they don’t have to kill each other too then it might not be making sense.

~Greeting

Possible. But it's Lunar Cult problem.

Wait i mean Solar Cult.

Lunar cult is scum faction, so it should be town's problem as well, right?

Why do you think it's not?

[Yume]

I have my eye on you, yes.

[Yume]

And if you do this, I will never leave off of you. I will cling to you, like a tick.

[Enchant]

Hot take: I think

RR

’s claim is true, but he is from Lunar Cult. I don’t know what the wincons for the two scum factions are though, if they don’t have to kill each other too then it might not be making sense.

~Greeting

Possible. But it's Lunar Cult problem.

Wait i mean Solar Cult.

Lunar cult is scum faction, so it should be town's problem as well, right?

Why do you think it's not?

Fight Fire With Fire

[Enchant]

I mean hypothetically RR can be from Lunar Cult, but then killing him allows Solar to apply burns (or not idk) without resistance anyway.

[Bunnyonce]

UNVOTE: RR
Think tomorrow

I also agree that Enchant does not always hammer

[Bunnyonce]

UNVOTE: RR
Think tomorrow

I also agree that Enchant does not always hammer

-Aisa

[Radical Rat]

This game is going to be an excellent case study into why relying solely on meta for your reads is a bad idea

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Hot take: I think

RR

’s claim is true, but he is from Lunar Cult. I don’t know what the wincons for the two scum factions are though, if they don’t have to kill each other too then it might not be making sense.

~Greeting

I agree with this

[unwnd]

I don't like mastina's new posts at all. It seems she is only interested in creating prepetual what-if situations that serve a personal narrative. I don't know where she exactly lost the plot, but her posts are written like a script.

[unwnd]

I don't really want to engage with it, to be honest. I get the feeling others don't either, which is why there isn't much feedback.

Why are all the people who believe mastina is not town unwilling to work with her? Why is mastina not questioning this 'allegiance' in any sort of way, and instead making this a Us v Them scenario lol