Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[mastina]

VOTE: Scarfmanship

VOTE: Scarf

VOTE: Scarfmanship

Yume:

Not sure where you're voting from memory, but if you join me here and these two are also there, we can at least go down swinging. It might not save me but it will make a statement for when I flip town. And force scum to react. Again.

[T-Bone]

If mastina is so obvtown then why does she seem like an island. Nobody is directly interacting with her

If I were so obvscum then why do I seem like an island? Nobody was directly interacting with me. That ain't a scum trait, it's a town trait.

I mean the last time you were active was midnight Halloween. Your activity patterns haven't been conducive to people interacting with you. Plus the lack of concise posting I think turns people off. Both those things are fine and not alignment indicative, but I also don't think you can represent something that isn't happening here.

I'll follow you on one of my alternative scumreads pending the end of this catchup if I like it. Hope that helps, you don't need to respond to this, do your thing.

[T-Bone]

The tl;dr is Yume putting you at e-1 has shook me. If Yume is scum it was brilliant fwiw.

[Yume]

Yes.

VOTE: Scarfmanship



VOTE: Sca

[Enchant]

VOTE: Scarfmanship

VOTE: Scarf

VOTE: Scarfmanship

Yume:

Not sure where you're voting from memory, but if you join me here and these two are also there, we can at least go down swinging. It might not save me but it will make a statement for when I flip town. And force scum to react. Again.

Mastina: I have evidence that Radical Rat lying!
Mastina: I don't gonna tell you it though.
Mastina: *Voting Scarfs*

[Enchant]

IN THESE HARD TIMES WHERE ONE USES OUTDATE META READS AND ANOTHER JUST GOES TO SAY "MASTINA IS INACCURATE AT DAY 1!!!!!!!" WHEN IT'S DAY 1 AND NO BASED INFO AVALIABLE, IT'S FUCKING MY TIME TO BE HERO THIS TOWN NEEDS, BUT DIDN'T DESERVE.

SHEEP ME FOOLS.

VOTE: BUNNYONCE

Have I ever told you that you're secretly my favorite player?

yes

[Yume]

If mastina is so obvtown then why does she seem like an island. Nobody is directly interacting with her

If I were so obvscum then why do I seem like an island? Nobody was directly interacting with me. That ain't a scum trait, it's a town trait.

I mean the last time you were active was midnight Halloween. Your activity patterns haven't been conducive to people interacting with you. Plus the lack of concise posting I think turns people off. Both those things are fine and not alignment indicative, but I also don't think you can represent something that isn't happening here.

I'll follow you on one of my alternative scumreads pending the end of this catchup if I like it. Hope that helps, you don't need to respond to this, do your thing.

If you want the catchup to end, then quit posting. It forces mastina to reply to new posts constantly, making her unable to finish catching up.

[mastina]

It’s more there’s a lot of

posting

but very little pushing

This applies to MY wagon, too, MathBlade.

You're pushing.
professotic is pushing.

T-Bone is pushing.

Try telling me the rest of the voters on me have been pushing me.

They really, really haven't.

Because the wagon on me is very, very lazy. I've said "lazy" this whole time, but maybe you would understand me saying lazy in my posts better if I worded it every time as "lot of posting, but very little pushing". Because that's true of them.

I also feel like I should state:
Usually, you think of pushes as on scum.

But there

are

pushes beyond pushing players as scum--a strong strong strong defense of a player being town is still a push, it's pushing them as being town.

There are players strongly pushing me as town.

There's not players strongly pushing other wagoned slots as town.

There are precisely three players pushing me as scum.

The rest are not.

I have made several pushes. You might disagree with them and that is justified since at least two I now believe were on town (you, professotic), but you can't disagree with me having made pushes.
I've pushed.
My defenders have pushed me as town (albeit not pushing players as scum).
You, T-Bone, and professotic have pushed me as scum.

But literally every other player in the game has not pushed players as town OR scum--and it's in those zero-pushers, those lazy posters, that you'll find the scum.

And that list?

That's {MMR, furtiveglance, Enchant, Maid Cafe, Scarfmanship, Bunnyonce, unwnd, Radical Rat, Frozen Angel}.

Obviously, that list is too large considering the number of scum in the game.
But that list should contain

all

the scum in the game. Imo, not most; ALL. (I understand if you think it's only most, tho, but you should agree that it's most.)

And from that list of nine, you need only get the three towniest players to have a list of scum form. It's my belief that the towniest of the lazy players are MMR/furvie/Enchant. Which by default, leaves the scum as Maid Cafe, Scarfmanship, Bunnyonce, unwnd, Radical Rat, and Frozen Angel.

[mastina]

Mastina: I have evidence that Radical Rat lying!
Mastina: I don't gonna tell you it though.
Mastina: *Voting Scarfs*

I mean, I'll go back to Radical Rat if after people hear my claim they agree that Radical Rat's lack of having the restrictions I have = RR scum. But if there's still resistance after I claim, then applying pressure elsewhere means more scum under threat.

[T-Bone]

Okay I'm sold for now on 2807.

Unvote

[T-Bone]

There, space officially given.

[T-Bone]

Was that premature? idk

[Yume]

You're still posting...If you want to give her space, then stop posting for five hours. Can you do that?

Anyway, I need to go to bed. See you in the morn.

[T-Bone]

I could put my vote back and wash my hands of this if you really want. But Mastina is an adult, she can handle me posting right now.

[Yume]

Or maybe there is something that makes players feel a dire need for posting even though they aren't in prod range solely to delay mastina's catchup and claim? I dunno...

[T-Bone]

You got me, that's my motivation caught red handed.

[mastina]

??? (could be PoE scum, but hard to lock down for sure)
{Maid Cafe}

{Child of Fairies/Scarfmanship}

REASONABLE CHANCE OF SCUM:
{Bunnyonce}

SCUM:
{Radja/unwnd}

{Radical Rat, Frozen Angel}

This is her latest readwall. Which to me tips her had she isn’t looking for 6 like she originally claimed. [/quote]MathBlade for someone whose name literally has math in it you apparently suck at doing it.

Maid Cafe (1) + Scarfmanship (1) + Bunnyonce (1) + unwnd (1) + RR, FA (2), that's 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 = 6.

Now, granted.

When I claim you'll want to eliminate me because my claim has a phrase which actually implies conversion mechanics--which you will take to be a logical inconsistency in my play, which you will take to be a disconnect between what my role says and what my posts said. (Granted, scumastina doesn't lie*, so like. I can't both scumslip being 6 yet have a role imply 4 with the claim being true. It can only be one of the two at most.)

Is one of the reasons why I originally wasn't going to bother with a claim; I knew it'd be taken as an inconsistency because my role actually implies conversion mechanics are in place.

But to clarify: there isn't actually any inconsistency or disconnect. My role implies 4, but it is an

implication

, not a

confirmation

. Having a red herring is exactly what I believe MegAzumarill's modding style to be, so implications can be red herrings.

Beyond that, I never said it was six scum. I said "approximately", because of the above--it wasn't confirmed to be 4, so it could be 6. And it being "could be 6" meant that it was better to assume 6, because it wasn't confirmed to be 4. I basically assumed that my role wasn't being truthful in its implication of 4, and assumed approximately 6.

The only reason I took to the 6 theory was the push on me for having presented it in the first place--I genuinely believe that both scumteams believe me to be a member of their opposite, and they think I TMI'd there being 6 scum, when they were actually TMI'ing by believing I TMI'd. But it has

always

been an assumption.

Neither 4, nor 6, are definitive. I personally believe that thanks to the gamestate and the way the game has played out, the scumteams have revealed that it is actually 6. But that is an assumption on my part. The truth is I don't actually know.

So there could in fact be less than six.

I don't actually know.

I

suspect

six, I don't KNOW there's six.

And I have exactly six reads for those six, and an idea for what teams they'd be on.

(*listmods this isn't actually true, I'm short on time so pls don't ban me for this shorthand)

[mastina]

??? (could be PoE scum, but hard to lock down for sure)
{Maid Cafe}

{Child of Fairies/Scarfmanship}

REASONABLE CHANCE OF SCUM:
{Bunnyonce}

SCUM:
{Radja/unwnd}

{Radical Rat, Frozen Angel}

This is her latest readwall. Which to me tips her had she isn’t looking for 6 like she originally claimed.

MathBlade for someone whose name literally has math in it you apparently suck at doing it.

Maid Cafe (1) + Scarfmanship (1) + Bunnyonce (1) + unwnd (1) + RR, FA (2), that's 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 = 6.

Now, granted.

When I claim you'll want to eliminate me because my claim has a phrase which actually implies conversion mechanics--which you will take to be a logical inconsistency in my play, which you will take to be a disconnect between what my role says and what my posts said. (Granted, scumastina doesn't lie*, so like. I can't both scumslip being 6 yet have a role imply 4 with the claim being true. It can only be one of the two at most.)

Is one of the reasons why I originally wasn't going to bother with a claim; I knew it'd be taken as an inconsistency because my role actually implies conversion mechanics are in place.

But to clarify: there isn't actually any inconsistency or disconnect. My role implies 4, but it is an

implication

, not a

confirmation

. Having a red herring is exactly what I believe MegAzumarill's modding style to be, so implications can be red herrings.

Beyond that, I never said it was six scum. I said "approximately", because of the above--it wasn't confirmed to be 4, so it could be 6. And it being "could be 6" meant that it was better to assume 6, because it wasn't confirmed to be 4. I basically assumed that my role wasn't being truthful in its implication of 4, and assumed approximately 6.

The only reason I took to the 6 theory was the push on me for having presented it in the first place--I genuinely believe that both scumteams believe me to be a member of their opposite, and they think I TMI'd there being 6 scum, when they were actually TMI'ing by believing I TMI'd. But it has

always

been an assumption.

Neither 4, nor 6, are definitive. I personally believe that thanks to the gamestate and the way the game has played out, the scumteams have revealed that it is actually 6. But that is an assumption on my part. The truth is I don't actually know.

So there could in fact be less than six.

I don't actually know.

I

suspect

six, I don't KNOW there's six.

And I have exactly six reads for those six, and an idea for what teams they'd be on.

(*listmods this isn't actually true, I'm short on time so pls don't ban me for this shorthand)

Oops broke a tag, this is hotfix'd version.

[Enchant]

Or maybe there is something that makes players feel a dire need for posting even though they aren't in prod range solely to delay mastina's catchup and claim? I dunno...

Cool.

I am next btw. I will catch up for next 24 hours in this thread. No one posts! It's game for me, me alone.
... Now you see how funny it is?

FORCED TO ANSWER OUR POSTS?
Protip: Don't read them and focus. Too hard?


Nevermind that no one will read all these mastina posts and if she actually town and die, i for example WILL NOT BOTHER to even remember about them. I not even hide that i only skimming them at this point.

[mastina]

Sell me on scarf scum. Is it just a tone thing or what?

Oh yeah it's definitely at least five scum in the game, with RR + unwnd + Scarfmanship as a team. (Six if the teams are symmetrical in size.)

[Scarfmanship]

If I had a quarter for every time someone said one of my posts belonged in a scum PT I would have 50 cents, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.

[Yume]

That's all right, because if she dies and flips town, I will just shove her posts at all of you until all of you remember them.

[mastina]

I don't believe Yume as like a counter example.

I know you currently believe Yume is town from having your world shaken, but I need to reiterate that Yume is never scum here because her viewpoints are too genuine to come from scum.

Her viewpoints are hard to parse since her way of speaking is often hard to understand.

Her viewpoints are ridiculously stubborn in a way that can be frustrating to deal with, confusing, and baffling.

But her viewpoints are sincere, her perspective bleeds through in her posts, and you can see she is clearly giving real thoughts at every turn.

This is all without a lick of using meta, which you will discard as lolmeta.

But just know that every player who knows Yume's meta has her as town because her meta is night/day and this is the day.

[Enchant]

That's all right, because if she dies and flips town, I will just shove her posts at all of you until all of you remember them.

I will team up with both scumteams to elim you.

[mastina]

Your scumpicks tell nothing to me, even when I am one of them

Funny, YOUR scumpicks tell nothing to me, especially when I am one of them.

(Okay they tell me you're scum but you know what I mean.)