Mini 2284: The Thing Anonymous [Day 2]

[Childs~]

I don't really get the town reads on Childs, he is still firmly in my null pile.

@MacReady, do you scum read anyone other than Clark?

maybe I'm just a sweel guy?

anyway I thought you might be mistaking him for mcready who was talking about lars's reads

list that I found okayish and was curious about it

[Windows~]

[p=13544901#p13544901]post 281[/url], Windows~"]You finished the backread in the 2 minutes between those posts?

I don't see a problem, no? Norris' trolling is on the same page as Bennings' question. It doesn't take a lot of time to read Norris' trolling and feel it's scummy and want to comment on it. Those sort of things happen to me as town a lot, so I can see it coming from a town perspective.[/quote]

I feel like if that were the case either the earlier post or the later one would be phrased differently. Like the second post might have begun "and since then" as an additional reason to stick with the vote rather than "also" which connects it back as a justification for the original vote.[/quote]
This feels like further nitpicking into obscurity. The post seems fine to me, even in the context of "additional reason to stick with the vote".[/quote]

I'm keen to hear other people's views on this. Palmer thinks I'm making a mountain out of a molehill, I think it's really not plausible for Copper's explanation to shift the way it did if genuine. Where do other's stand?

[Windows~]

Sorry about the messed up quotes but you get the idea

[Copper~]

How are Garry's and Norris' tones different than Windows'?

Windows' posts, while fewer, have a more solvy vibe if that makes sense.

Kind of, I thought Garry was pretty solvy. Do you think he's faking it? Why, if so?

I can't quite put my finger on it but there's a slight "going through the motions" vibe with his ISO.

[Copper~]

Also, the "this is a contradiction from Copper!" is a horrible point in 242. It feels like desperately trying to fish out a gotcha

Copper went from "mostly a gutread" to "this kind of behaviour is really scummy" in literally 2 minutes, you don't see a contradiction there?

Cooper tries to justify this but I don't buy it:

I had not quite finished my backread when responding to Bennings, Norris started getting really trolly on page 8 which I didn't read during the "sheeping" comment, the "trolling" comment came after I read everything.

You finished the backread in the 2 minutes between those posts?

And the "we're not even on page 10" sounds like you were caught up:

Opportunistic how? It's mostly a gutread but we're not even on page 10.

"I forgot to mention the scumminess of the posting style" is an explanation I could have bought but "I was still rereading" I don't think fits with that timeline.

1. I read fast.
2. The last page's number is visible even on previous pages so how is that a gotcha?

[Copper~]

You finished the backread in the 2 minutes between those posts?

I don't see a problem, no? Norris' trolling is on the same page as Bennings' question. It doesn't take a lot of time to read Norris' trolling and feel it's scummy and want to comment on it. Those sort of things happen to me as town a lot, so I can see it coming from a town perspective.

I feel like if that were the case either the earlier post or the later one would be phrased differently. Like the second post might have begun "and since then" as an additional reason to stick with the vote rather than "also" which connects it back as a justification for the original vote.

English is not my first language.

[Copper~]

This might seem sort of off-topic but I'm still curious and would be interested how people answer - are you calling scum 'scum' this game, or 'Thing' ?

"Scum"

[Copper~]

Windows stonks go down because really that was just grasping at straws.

[Clark~]

I'm also starting to move Windows down in my reads

[Norris~]

Looks like I was just ahead of the trend..

[Norris~]

Wheres Fuchs at though?

[Palmer~]

maybe I'm just a sweel guy?

Perhaps. What do you think of the argument between me and Windows?

anyway I thought you might be mistaking him for mcready who was talking about lars's reads

I don't think I'm mixing anyone up - I want to know if MacReady has any other scumreads.

[Palmer~]

My thoughts are that most of us often don't read the game linearly. I sometimes skip ahead, or return to previous parts, and I definitely think that "backreading" or "being caught up" are not binary states. And when talking about whether I've "read the game", I don't often bother clarifying things like these because it's unnecessary typing that doesn't actually help anyone read me. So I can imagine a similar confusing thought process happening with other people as well.

Which is why I am inherently suspicious of someone trying to force out such a contradiction.

[Norris~]

Can you dumb that down for m?

[Palmer~]

Going from "I'm sheeping others on Norris" to "his trolling is also scummy, BTW" in 3 minutes, then claiming you've read the rest of the game in those 3 minutes, is 100% plausible and Windows is scummy for trying to claim it's not.

[Childs~]

My thoughts are that most of us often don't read the game linearly. I sometimes skip ahead, or return to previous parts, and I definitely think that "backreading" or "being caught up" are not binary states. And when talking about whether I've "read the game", I don't often bother clarifying things like these because it's unnecessary typing that doesn't actually help anyone read me. So I can imagine a similar confusing thought process happening with other people as well.

Which is why I am inherently suspicious of someone trying to force out such a contradiction.

Well I can resonate with this because I find myself re-reading A LOT because (and particularly in this Game) until a certain point I can't quite Match faces with names that easily but I can form a read from recent events and unless I'm trying to make up a story I shouldn't need so much time because the reaction is genuine

Of course scum can also do this but it's a Lot harder to fake

Si I'm on your side in this one, I think Windows even thought I get his point, he is reading too much into it or scumforging it

[Nauls~]

I don’t really find Copper’s change of position on Norris scummy at all and it being nitpicked at is pretty meh.

At this point, after skimming some ISOs, I’m like:

MacReady, Palmer

Garry, Blair

Copper, Childs, Lars,

Clark, Bennings

Norris, Fuchs, Windows

Things I’ve noticed: 82 looks like it comes from a POV of someone solving the game if that makes any sense? I like that one.
I kind of wanted to put Windows a tier higher off of tone and sense of solveyness, but the actual content of posts like 242 is too bad to ignore.
Lars’ 258 does soothe me a bit, and the rest of their content is pretty good.
Looking at 280, the Copper wagon composition looks bad enough that it makes Copper look better.
On the flip side, the Clark wagon composition is good enough to make Clark look worse.
On a reread, Copper hasn’t done anything outrageously scummy or towny but overall looks relatively solvey. I like the paragraph in 186, though! 328 is also good.
I still think Bennings’ 96 and 99 are iffy. However, stuff like 95, 190 and 191 (especially the second paragraph) look pretty solvey and well-intentioned. Actually 195 and 198 too. Overall still feel generally meh about Bennings, though.
Kind of like Clark’s 58 and 60, tbh. The annoyance seems to come more from a town POV than a scum one. 239 looks decent I’d say? Don’t like 295 though, it feels fabricated. Also the way the Clark wagon has gradually died down feels off, like scum purposely stopped paying attention to it. Maybe it has something to do with a shift out of the early game wagons, but I feel like Copper’s still being seriously discussed in spite of that. Maybe it’s cause Clark got replaced, but I also don’t see much from Clark 2.0 that looks very town indicative.

[Bennings~]

Bear with me I'm working heavy this weekend. Three day break for me after though let's gooo

[Bennings~]

Honestly I’m not the biggest fan of the votes that have piled onto Norris, but Norris also hasn’t given me any reason to feel any better about them than before.

Yeah I'm getting LHF vibes

[Bennings~]

I don't really get the town reads on Childs, he is still firmly in my null pile.

did you plan on continuing this thought or?

[Childs~]

Honestly I’m not the biggest fan of the votes that have piled onto Norris, but Norris also hasn’t given me any reason to feel any better about them than before.

Yeah I'm getting LHF vibes

What's LHF?

[Bennings~]

low hanging fruit

it's basically like they're an "easy" target that scum feel safe to jump on (assuming the LHF is town of course)

so if you think norris is town it puts some people into question, usually people who don't really look like they attempted actually sorting the slot

obviously this is all in a vacuum so you have to apply it situationally but that's the feeling i'm getting at the moment

[Bennings~]

I don't like everyone pushing me, but I don't complain about every single one of them.

so what separates childs from the rest?

[Childs~]

low hanging fruit

it's basically like they're an "easy" target that scum feel safe to jump on (assuming the LHF is town of course)

so if you think norris is town it puts some people into question, usually people who don't really look like they attempted actually sorting the slot

obviously this is all in a vacuum so you have to apply it situationally but that's the feeling i'm getting at the moment

Okay i AM familiar with the term, LHF just didn't click for me

Do you agree it can be the other way around I hope?

As in scum theatre

[Norris~]

I don't like everyone pushing me, but I don't complain about every single one of them.

so what separates childs from the rest?

u can try opening fhe quote in the post ur looking at and opening the spoiler and read the italics i added on.. please?