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Post Post #1950 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:58 am

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Misc points:
1. I appreciate Eira's analysis of NM, however, I don't think it's a good idea to read much into NM's activity level. I (too?) am scared of NM flipping town, but there's not much that concretely indicates they cannot be scum.
2. I don't think Grib voting Enchant right now is particularly useful.
3. I was gonna say something about how many Masons we have, but I don't know anymore
In post 1940, Enchant wrote:VOTE GRIB
I don't understand why I would do this. Grib can be shot, but so can NM, and if either is scum it's not like we have much info to indicate which of them is/isn't a PR, and as Elements says, roleblocker.
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Post Post #1951 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:02 am

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VOTE: Eira
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It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #1952 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:03 am

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In post 1948, Grib wrote:Threat of death usually works.

If a TPR lets themselves be eliminated instead of claiming, that is called gamethrowing. Maybe he thinks his role is vital to breaking the game, but how can it if Bella isn’t even sure?

I don’t mean to be harsh but from a vanilla perspective, this is completely nonsensical.
It only works if there's actually a willingness to hammer if a claim is not given. You can't just say to me "let's pretend that we're willing to hammer Eira" and I go "ok" out loud in the thread. But gosh, upon consideration, let's try it.

VOTE: Eira

I'm gonna go for a 30 minute walk now.
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Post Post #1953 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:04 am

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ok wtf
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Post Post #1954 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:05 am

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Any explanation other than my unwillingness to claim?
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Post Post #1955 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:06 am

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No.
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Post Post #1956 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:08 am

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VOTE: Grib

who asked you?
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Post Post #1957 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:10 am

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@Element @Aisa I'm really hoping you can tell me more on why exactly you're voting me rn.

Ugh idk anymore.
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Post Post #1958 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:10 am

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The whole point is that your unwillingness to claim when we’re more than likely hunting for scum power is very, very scummy. Do you really not see that?
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Post Post #1959 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:11 am

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Eiralox

I asked me.
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Post Post #1960 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:12 am

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There was a longer argument in my head, which was:

I feel very confused right now. I feel like I can't assess whether or not there is likely to be a third Mason. My best judgment is that there isn't, but the two people (Eira and Bella) who are making vague sounds like they know more than they are letting on can't even seem to agree on whether we should elim NM, so who am I to judge the validity of NM's claim?

I don't know what you role is, and maybe after you claim / flip I will regret this, but I think that this general confusion is a bit anti-town, and at this point it may be worth claiming just to stop this confusion, even if you have really valid reasons to not want to claim.

There's also the fact that like, I gave everyone time to object a massclaim and I don't think you did during that time? I get that not everyone is always reading every single post or thinking about the game 24/7, so I didn't want to hold that against you to much, but also fmpov there was a time when you could have said "I don't want to claim, *trust me*" and you didn't, and I think that s town that lets these things slide too often is pretty exploitable and -EV.

Then again, Not Mafia's whole existence is -EV, so maybe that undermines my whole point :lol:
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Post Post #1961 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:15 am

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This looks like a mafia PR squirming and mad they can’t get away with a vague power soft. He can’t claim vanilla because whatever he did, Bella and maybe NM know about it.
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Post Post #1962 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:15 am

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VOTE: Grib
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Post Post #1963 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:18 am

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Eira just claim
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Post Post #1964 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:18 am

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UNVOTE:

I'm note claiming. Scummy pivot from Aisa and Elements, grib i don't even care about even more they're an ass. Bella can speak up for me, or they can't. with people voting by their noses like this on reasons flimsier than spring ice i don't even know anymore. in my mind i have very good reasons for not revealing my role, and that's it.
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Post Post #1965 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:19 am

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In post 1963, Elements wrote:Eira just claim
No. Explain your vote on any other basis than this single push.
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Post Post #1966 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:20 am

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Is you being dead and unclaimed better than you claiming, us voting NM, and you getting night killed?
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Post Post #1967 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:20 am

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ugh imma smoke i'm not sure what's even happening rn tbh
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Post Post #1968 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:20 am

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In post 1965, Eiralox wrote:
In post 1963, Elements wrote:Eira just claim
No. Explain your vote on any other basis than this single push.
If you're a TPR' why are you not voting NM?
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Post Post #1969 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:21 am

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Nevermind.

Aisa+Grib scum.

"I am confused" only comes from mafia who are not confused but pretend so.
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Post Post #1970 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:22 am

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You know what, I’m hard committing. My vote is not moving, and nobody can tell me it isn’t justified.
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Post Post #1971 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:22 am

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Fight me
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Post Post #1972 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:22 am

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Hell, I’ll commit to killing Enchant next phase. What a terrible take and terrible soft defense of Eiralox’s antitown behavior.
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Post Post #1973 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:23 am

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For the record, Eira, this isn’t personal. If I’m being too harsh I apologize. But your actions are hella questionable and I will attack them with no remorse.

You’re pretty cool tho.
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Post Post #1974 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:24 am

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In post 1966, Elements wrote:Is you being dead and unclaimed better than you claiming, us voting NM, and you getting night killed?
very stringent terms u think along there amphibian. i'm not claiming cos i have a reason not. bella can speak up, or they can't.... they might want me to claim but i think it's better if i don't.


I'm not sure where scum is any more. not after ya'll flash voted me. so between me and nm, who i think is last mason, i'd pick me for game's sake. but i'm not voting n_M.
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