Warrior Cats Mafia [Day Three]

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: datisi on t3

so, now that t3 showed life, can we know more about the reason for the flashwagon?

interesting, do you know why / are you willing to share why titus joined?

i'm not against a t3 wagon though. so like. cool ig.

i am not so sure anymore what i think about mastina, alignment wise. though i am of the feeling i might even just want to flip her because it's clear the mastina-norwee situation is not going to change so might as well actually like, resolve it early so that we can get into normal mafia after it.

VOTE: kittytacky

i don't know. mastina isn't a bad flip from a thread health and/or information perspective. so i don't exactly hate that wagon, i guess. i can't in good conscience vote there right now but maybe later.

besides running up kittytacky, i also would like to have t3 run up - if we're talking about alignment-reasons to kill someone.

also i'm not really in the mood to fake motivation for this game because this day is a drag. so let me know if you, like, want my specific opinion on something. i'm reading the thread. but like. idk.

VOTE: kittytacky

as for who else i want to sus -- idk lol. t3's posting is kind of bad, and i wanna hear what shiro/marashu have going on.

these all feal kind of... lhf, so i am very likely misreading someone, probably multiple people, so i'll keep an eye out on that ig.

it's a good wagon because it's on t3

fwiw, if t3 is scum, i would be very surprised if no scum is voting him right now, so... i don't really care if his wagon is unclean

@alisae, i'm pretty sure i'm right and i don't wanna answer the other stuff. like i said, it majorly sucks if you're town and it so happened that you suspected 3 town people in a weird way, but /shrug, cross that bridge if we get to it

well, considering enchant's scumrange is zero, we should know his alignment for sure pretty quick

VOTE: t3? idk lole

i am just so confused about t3's play if scum here because i know he's capable of more than this

ig everyone has off games sometimes but it's just weird

something something prodge something something kill t3 waiting for replacements k bye

these are most of the direct mentions of T3 from datisi - i cut out a lot of stuff that was arguing with ali/norwee about why they were pushing T3 because i think that's a separate line of argument and i'm honestly not sure how to feel about it, i'll try to write something about that later but for now just keep in mind that this case does not accurately represent my confidence level on the read

but this is basically exactly how i'd expect a scum partner of T3's to treat him - going "yeah i'm fine with the wagon" without ever elaborating on why other than "his posts are bad"

it just seemed like he didn't have any active interest in solving T3 even taking the ali/norwee stuff into account - i know i said that it was giving me hesitations on it but the point of the argument felt more like it was with ali/norwee than anything to do with T3

altogether i think it's just an s/s dynamic

VOTE: Datisi

[PenguinPower]

At least we agree on datisi.

[MathBlade]

No no no. She doubled down, refused to acknowledge, used a pithy statement, and said it still made me scum.

That’s scum. Plain and simple.

Or she’s just arrogant, give me my damn way or scum are clearly going to stop me from having the elim I think town needs so I am gonna spam the thread til I get it, has RL, and then losing motivation Titus.

I very much think it’s that Titus.

If you’re so convinced, flip her, I say told you so if I live

Because right now you both seem very unreasonable

[fireisredsir]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89922

i think its also kinda similar to what i read of her posting in the multiball large, specifically the vibe of having kind of a shell of surface level confidence but without any support backing it up

I kinda see this on a quick skim but I don’t.

I guess the big question for those who have read the thread is has Titus been overall consistent?

Not the finer points but load broadly.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13507860

In the scum game you linked she hates slips then argues something might be one. That’s a “broad” inconsistency.

Has she done any “broad” inconsistencies?

i thought that the way she started her VCA and found it led towards wanting to flip datisi for info and then basically dropped that immediately and started going in another direction was inconsistent. it didn't feel like there was anything behind the vca theorizing and it was just looking for something to do. more of a mindset inconsistency ig

but anyway are you saying she has a broad inconsistency of this level in every scumgame bc idk if that's really likely to be true

and i thought you said she made less sense as town

[PenguinPower]

No no no. She doubled down, refused to acknowledge, used a pithy statement, and said it still made me scum.

That’s scum. Plain and simple.

Or she’s just arrogant, give me my damn way or scum are clearly going to stop me from having the elim I think town needs so I am gonna spam the thread til I get it, has RL, and then losing motivation Titus.

I very much think it’s that Titus.

If you’re so convinced, flip her, I say told you so if I live

Because right now you both seem very unreasonable

Ok. I mean - I’ve been trying to flip her since yesterday so…….

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89922

i think its also kinda similar to what i read of her posting in the multiball large, specifically the vibe of having kind of a shell of surface level confidence but without any support backing it up

I kinda see this on a quick skim but I don’t.

I guess the big question for those who have read the thread is has Titus been overall consistent?

Not the finer points but load broadly.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13507860

In the scum game you linked she hates slips then argues something might be one. That’s a “broad” inconsistency.

Has she done any “broad” inconsistencies?

i thought that the way she started her VCA and found it led towards wanting to flip datisi for info and then basically dropped that immediately and started going in another direction was inconsistent. it didn't feel like there was anything behind the vca theorizing and it was just looking for something to do. more of a mindset inconsistency ig

but anyway are you saying she has a broad inconsistency of this level in every scumgame bc idk if that's really likely to be true

and i thought you said she made less sense as town

Sense and inconsistency are two different things.

Logical sense is premise A>B>C

If she does A>B therefore Q she’s probably town

If she does A>B but then !A > C and acting as if not A and A are true scum.
But A has to be a “broad” concept not minutia. It can be slips it can be one persons alignment etc. what it’s not is word choice or a single event.

And here she is making sense just people disagree with her.

Disagreement != scum.

[MathBlade]

I guess that would make her scummy.

My gut says she’s town but I won’t stop the wagon. I just think Datisi is more likely scum.

I just don’t “feel” Titus scum.

[Ydrasse]

VOTE COUNT 3.1

[5]

Titus

: PenguinPower, Cephrir, Nero Cain, fireisredsir, SCRRRDBEAR
[2]

PenguinPower

: Titus, flow trap
[1]

Datisi

: MathBlade



[9]

Not voting

: Datisi, Toogeloo, Bell, KittyTacky, Dannflor, Mistyx, Enchant, Something_Smart, boy next door,

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With 17 alive, it takes 9 to eliminate.

Day three ends in (expired on 2022-11-20 11:49:06).

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[Datisi]

I'm a stray. Someone adopt me.

I think Titus is town here. Titus doesn’t usually crumb (although sometimes does) as scum. It’s almost a dead give away she’s town here. A lot of people here have played with Titus before so I am curious why people who know her are scumreading her.

i liked that fire post about titus and it spoke much more to me than pp's "titus lie about me >:("

i have never heard of this piece of meta about titus, but assuming you're telling the truth:

(1) "although sometimes does" and "dead giveaway" cannot exist together. pick one.
(2) this is a role that cannot go unseen, even if she's scum - i feel like you're missing nuance here by omitting that part from thinking about her

[Datisi]

ah yes bear is still town, i remember that

[Datisi]

well i am scumreading mathblade, which is approximately business as usual so idk if it's actually telling of his alignment (his arguments for why titus is definitely town do not feel right to me)

as i said before, i like the fire post on titus and am considering joining there, though i do wanna let reps play a bit first and also get my grounding in this game again

uh, misty's case on me being s/s with t3 is like, fine, i guess. i am aware that the associates don't look great there in a vacuum. if misty was someone who was actually aware of my meta, i'd go into my usual "do you really think i play around partners the way i did there?" but i don't think xe is aware of that so yes whatever

[KittyTacky]

So enchant is conf town?

Yeah safe to say this.

[KittyTacky]

Welcome to the replacements!

[KittyTacky]

Can someone summarize the Titus = scum case? I asked Titus to summarize the PP= scum case in the wind hood.

She's a liar trying to use said lie to get me yeeted and refuses to actually engage on the points she is lying about instead just going "lalalala why me fry me."

2064 - 2086

Yep I had it explained to me in the ThunderClan PT and it makes sense. I will vote either Mistyx or Titus when I finish my backread.

[Datisi]

I will vote either Mistyx

why misty?

[KittyTacky]

Oh wow, my town core subs out and my scumreads just go right back to counterwagoning me. Nothing to see here.

Lol sounds like more fun than pulling teeth.

This pressure response feels pretty scummy to me.

[KittyTacky]

I will vote either Mistyx

why misty?

Sheeping Bear, came to this conclusion from the VCA conversation in the hood. Read some ISOs and didn't like what I saw. I think I'd like Titus today instead though, due to her response to the push. I'm good at gauging responses.

[Datisi]

anything interesting from that vca discussion to share with the class?

[KittyTacky]

Here is all the information I have regarding this game:

I am the Leader of the Wind Cats. My fellow Wind Cats are Mathblade, Enchant, boy next door, and Titus.

The Leaders have another PT where they vote during the day to give people powers. In that PT with me is Dannflor, Nero Cain, and Frozen Angel (I think is dead).

There was the idea that the Wind PT is pure because T3 was a member and eliminated.

I have no other information in regards to this game.

I don't think there is one scum per PT because it would encourage dumb gameplay like chainlimming everyone in a clan to find scum. I have reasons to think ThunderClan is pure for example and nobody from it died so far.

[KittyTacky]

anything interesting from that vca discussion to share with the class?

Can't quote private communications, but basically Bear said the pool is 2 of Titus, Dannflor, Datisi, and Mistyx; Bear says he thinks he may be wrong about Datisi being bad town so they're rather scum; he also implied he thinks you were bussing; and that he is weary about Mistyx because T3's push on Mistyx looks a bit like a framing attempt rather than distancing.

[Mistyx]

i really like how the case on me is something that people are refusing to let me interact with i think that’s very awesome and cool

[Something_Smart]

What do people think scum-Titus's thought process behind the whole "protector" thing was?

[Datisi]

what thing?

[Mistyx]

I understand partially the lack of TRs here on me. I have been work stressed, I'm having my monthly illness and it's Saturday so I'll be posting less today but trying to catch up.

My goal today is to lay crumbs for my agenda with the little knowledge I have without outright claiming. I might be unvoting Charloux based on reflections about their claim being a "leader". If "leaders" are different from "apprentices", "warriors", or "protectors", then they should not be wagoned. I doubt the leaders are all pure but risk reward says to not go there.

I do not have that passive yet. My PM mentioned nothing about leaders but left open the possibility they exist.

My thinking (which is now likely wrong), each PT had one apprentice, one warrior, one protector and one ?. I am a protector myself.

I do not have that passive yet. My PM mentioned nothing about leaders but left open the possibility they exist.

My thinking (which is now likely wrong), each PT had one apprentice, one warrior, one protector and one ?. I am a protector myself.

would you be okay elaborating on what you mean by this

because i'm not sure if you mean protector in the sense of role or some mechanical thing

[Flavor] - PROTECTOR of StarClan

[Part 1] - Text

[Part 2] - Text

Alignment

Confirm text

this thing

[Datisi]

hmm

depends on if scum-titus is good enough to dumbtell like that

i an assuming that the answer is yes (i recall her asking me for a sample town role pm in the cafe), but i'm listening to other ideas