Mini 760 - Bleach Mafia: Karakura Town - Game Over!

[Albert B. Rampage]

The claim is complete fabricated bullshit. Votes please.

[Mastin]

My apologies. Weekends can be killers, internet problems don't make things easier, you get the idea.

WARNING:

Long post is sure to follow, for three or so long pages of catch-up work.

If you're going to use role speculation to notch a few town points beneath a player's name on your tally chart, keep it to yourself - it's not something that needs to be shared with the town at large when that player isn't under suspicion. The notion that speculating which individual players have what specific roles will somehow help the town in days to come when role reveals occur is absurd. It either 1. exposes a town player to mafia scrutiny or 2. gives scum role claim ideas. I'm not buying it.

It is helpful in many ways to the town, if used correctly, and--as I have stated--saying in what ways would nullify the point of it. It is helpful to the mafia if done wrongly, allowing them to make a good claim.

Let me rephrase my question, because you misinterpreted what I was asking. You are saying it's okay to speculate about roles - but only "a little." Well, what are you qualifications for speculation being a little, as opposed to say, "moderately," or "a fair amount," or "extensively?" It's arbitrary, and since you yourself as saying there's a big difference in the helpful:hurtful ratio all dependent upon this quantity qualifer, it's a dangerous game you're playing - even by your own standards.

'A little' would be what I did--point out a few possible role hints here and there, which are just as easily jumping out at the shadows.
'Too much' would be speculating pretty much any further, about

what

those hints could be to. Which I believe both a fair amount and extensively fall into.

The common factor in both of those things is town role speculation. You haven't shown me why town role speculation at this point in time for this game is good.

And as I have said, to do so would nullify most if not all of the benefits of it.

No, this is a mischaracterization of our current status. From a power role information standpoint we're in an eleven-player game with a day start. But from a player information standpoint, we were given a free day of interactions.

Bad choice of words, then. Yea, power role-wise, it really seems like a eleven-player game with day start. Information-wise, we have much more.

Also, since you're taking the position that we're in a Day One type situation, I find it equally odd that you're wanting to have role speculation about specific players. Do you normally engage in role speculation on Day One? Specific player role speculation is simply Mass Claim's little brother. I find both to be harmful if used in the early stages of any game with a competent mod.

I give who I think is town and scum, for the most part. I also have been known to speculate whether there's a doctor/cop in the game, due to me being the cop in those games. Yes, I do it day one.
...But this is my first non-newbie game. Things work a little differently.

Mastins, hows your reread gone? Anyone you think is definately scum? (I'd like to look into some other people while I'm waiting).

I'm at an all-time low. Perhaps it's the unfamiliar environment, or the fact that I was a spectator, or the fact that there's no pro-town player dead for me to work on.
However, I am strongly leaning towards Green being scum, to answer.

I am Kon and have the ability to "hide" with another player rendering me untargetable for kills that night. However, if the player I am hiding behind is targeted for a kill, I also die.

Due to my own role, I find this a very, very believable claim.

Points for Seraphim:

-There was no night kill. Seraph's claim could (but might not be) be related to that. If the scum did target Seraph, my experience says they are more likely to try and lynch the person they tried to kill. (About a 70/25/5 ratio, with 25 being them defending the player, and 5 being other. This is all personal epicmafia experience, though.)
-Due to my role, the flavor from Seraph's post for the role he claims seems to be accurate.

Points Against:

-He was inactive most of yesterday. Why try to night kill him? Inactive players are easy lynch targets. Hence, it makes little sense for him to be the target of a night kill (the first point given), as he's a fine candidate for a village idiot (person, not role), from what I can tell.
-He's said some rather scummy things, amongst them contradictions. (I've done it before as a cop, nearly got lynched because of it)

Mastin, you have already have three instances where you point out possible roles: (1) speculating that Korlash hinted at something with “<3 Chadokun”; (2) speculating that Korlash hinted at something by using “train”; and (3) speculating that I have a killing role because I used a quote from Portal about killing test subjects;

What was the purpose in bringing this speculation to the town? How does it help the town? This sort of thing seems better suited to give the mafia ideas or ideas for fake-claim, and is a subtle way to fish at roles. I completely agree with Green Crayons on this point. FoS: Mastin.

1: Role hints can be dropped in the most subtle way. Even in using an example from Portal, where your name comes from.
2: Amongst others, scum hunting.
3: If done wrongly, yes, it allows for scum to fake claim. If done correctly, though, it's an excellent scum hunting tactic.

What made Seraphim’s lack of posting more interesting than others’ lack of posting? This seems to be revolving around page 4 of so of the game, where multiple players were not really posting. Honestly, this throwaway line in your post makes me think you only included because Seraphim happens to be a top suspect today.

1: At the time, he had appeared to me to be more inactive than the others. It was also consistent throughout the day, where others came back and posted later. Page four, or ten; the lack of activity is still concerning, especially if it is consistent.

2: People aren't 'top suspects' if they aren't suspected by at least the majority of the town. If they are suspected by the greatest amount of people, they are a top suspect.
What I'm saying is that this same logic can be applied to any other who thinks Seraph is scum--they have their own reasons for thinking that he is. They give their reasoning behind what becomes a FoS/Vote.
If I had not thought Seraph was scum,
had Albert, Green, Phil, and Zee not thought he was scum,
he wouldn't be a top suspect, now, would he?

3: I apologize if I am tunneling a little. It is part of my playstyle, to say the least, one which I'm slowly trying to change.

Why do kills not translate to the hided but other actions do? It doesn't make sense.

It does to me. He's basically claiming to be an un-night-kill-able townie, but if he targets someone who dies, he dies with them.
Yes, it's an easy excuse for any power role with a guilty on him to say 'then I hid behind scum!' But it is a role with both advantages and disadvantages, and I am inclined to believe it.

3.) What happens if you hide behind a Doctor and that same Doctor protects you? Does this essentially mean the Doctor protects himself, therefore leaving both of you completely invincible so long as there is only one kill each night?

I don't follow this logic. If he hides behind the doctor, he's immune to being killed. If the doctor protects him, then he's double-protected. If the scum target the doctor, the doc would, probably, still die, yet he would live, due to doctor protection. Depends on whether the mod believes in 'doc owns all', or 'doc's weak'.
Just my insight.

If you think I stopped posting for a brief period of time because
I feel threatened by the 'arguments' against me, you are sadly mistaken.

I don't recall seeing anyone make that accusation. Why worried about it?
However, that said, we all have our moments of inactivity, so I agree.

I tend to refrain from forum-type sites when i'm on holidays.
Last week was spring break for me, so I avoided anything that had to do with work.

I greatly sympathize with Zee on this point, to say the least. Weekends hate mafiascum.net in my house.

Also, I strongly disagree with anyone who holds the view that commenting upon the night events is scummy.

For this, I agree. However, what you did was different.
1: You congratulated the doctor, when anything could contribute to no death. <--This is the point against you, not,
2: You commented on night actions in general after that, if I recall the post correctly. <--This, itself, is not bad.

So, basically, yea...commenting on night events is not scummy, rather the opposite. Screaming "GO DOCTOR!" is.

In the past i've seen that scum use this as an excuse to push more suspicion on players
when they have nothing else to use against them.

Quoted for absolute experience truth--"gut feeling" is very often a scum excuse. There was once a time where I thought anyone going off of gut was probable scum, and that it was a major scum tell.
However, that said, pro-town players do, indeed, use it, much to my chagrin. It's about a 60:40, scum:town ratio, in my opinion.

Two of these are DEFINITELY mafia. Possibly three.

It is probable, yes, but there are no certainties. It could be one, or even zero! But it is, indeed, far more likely that at least two were on the wagon.

The only thing holding me back is that highly believeable roleclaim.
I think that his roleclaim could have something to do with why there wasn't a night kill.
Perhaps he was targetted, but he was 'hiding' therefore he was not killed.

Like I said, why kill an inactive player who you can just lynch? It seems doubtful. But if they did target Seraph, the votes on him make sense. They would want their failed night kill lynched. They could've viewed Seraph as a threat, although I fail to see why.
And then, he could always be scum.

I tend to use loaded questions a lot. I find that I get reactions that are far more readable.
Non-Loaded Question: Why did you vote Player A?
Loaded Question: Did you vote Player A to protect Player B, or did you vote Player A to get a reaction from Player C?
I think that my questions get reactions that benefit us in the long run.

And there's a reason that they are listed as a fallacy, as a slight scum tell, Zee. I'm not sure what to make of this without reading your posting history.

"I'm dead set on this guy but I'm unvoting him" right... that's playing both sides of the field there buddy... what can't pick between bussing him and defending him right now?

This is an interesting point, and it shows rather the inconsistency. Zee, you explained that you believed the claim, and that it is the reason you unvoted--yet that contradicts with being dead-set on Seraph being scum. Can you explain?

Heh. I'm pretty sure I know to what Xtox is referring. Seraphim can get lynched now, since he doesn't have a clue (oh and all the other discrepancies others have pointed out).

And THIS is why I am thinking Green might be scum. I know exactly the kind of flavors the mod is giving out with the role PM's. Seraph's attitude is fitting perfectly with it.
I will not say anything more on the matter of flavor details, for it very easily could help the scum in a fake claim later on.
Of course, Green--if scum--wouldn't know how the mod gives flavor to the pro-town players.

I'm referring to the fact that the role matches the character
AND could be the reason that there was no night kill.
If his claim is true, it makes sense with what happened last night.
The character is very likely in the game, so I consider it HIGHLY possible.

I am quoting this for truth--Zee's right. With my role, I know that Kon's very probably in the game. It could explain the lack of a kill as well. It also matches the manga/anime version of Kon.

2. If they watched me, they would get results of the person I was hiding behind, yes.

Someone asked this: Would you show up on the report?

I have to agree with GC. It doesn't make sense that any actions are transfered at all. All targets should auto fail on a hider.

I can see it happening.
In addition to that, this is a themed game--one of the REASONS a game is themed is to put twists on classic roles. I do it, with games I've typed up, making some interesting results. I imagine most good mods do it. They put some sort of spin on the role that hasn't been there before.

EBWOP: Kon could also be a safeclaim given to the scum.

And how often are scum given safe claims, Korlash? If it's done often, you can surely name a few for me to read up on. If it's not, then it means that--while possible--it is highly doubtful.

Also this whole linking last night's no kill to his claim is stupid. What the hell are you going to say when the doc claims? Oh he had nothing to do with it, lynch the liar? Same with a Roleblocker? Same with a Jailkeep?

Agreed. The lack of a night kill could be any number of things. Yet the fact remains, it is possible Seraph was targeted last night and the scum are trying to get their failed night kill through right now, in a lynch.

I’m starting to disbelieve Seraphim’s role-claim even more than I was previously. The whole “transferred investigations” seems to be a way for him to argue with investigation results: “well, you didn’t investigate me, you investigated the person I hid behind.”

I also see this possibility. However, if not in lylo, we can lynch one, and then, if the first wasn't scum, we lynch the other.
Example: Cop gets guilty on Seraph.
Seraph claims to have hid behind Albert.
We lynch Albert.
A: If he flips scum, Seraph is more likely to be town, but isn't clear.
B: If he flips town, we lynch Seraph the next day.

So, really, this claim, as scum, is only a short-term solution that, for scum, buys a day of life at most.

The claim is complete fabricated bullshit. Votes please.

Explain. Why do you think that it's fake?

[Korlash]

[quoe="Mestin"]And how often are scum given safe claims, Korlash? If it's done often, you can surely name a few for me to read up on. If it's not, then it means that--while possible--it is highly doubtful. [/quote]

It's my belief any theme game centered around a movie or show or some sort of theme like that should come with safeclaims because it's too easy to break the set-up without them. Deathnote had them, Doctor Who had it for the SK not sure about whether the mafia got them or not but that's a large game so it's a bit different. I think fireemblem had them but I wasnt scum so I can't remember, same with clerks... although in clerks the SK was given a townie sounding role so I doubt he needed a safeclaim, not sure about the scum.

Given as how this specific theme is of an anime, the fact it's a mini, and the fact it's centered around a specific time in the anime, I would think it has safeclaims. Although that's more of a mod thing then experience thing.

In addition to that, this is a themed game--one of the REASONS a game is themed is to put twists on classic roles. I do it, with games I've typed up, making some interesting results. I imagine most good mods do it. They put some sort of spin on the role that hasn't been there before.

That is true I suppose. But it's still a pretty weird twist to have some actions pass on and to just have kills fail. I can personally see flavor and mechanic reasons to have either one on their own, but not both. Either all targets shoudl fail because Kon is "inhabiting" another's body or A.k.a. hiding. Or all targets, including kills, should pass to his target.

I look at it like a flavor situation. Let's say you swollow Kon. (that doesn't sound very good...) So you're a spirit yada yada you'e not important anymore. So someone tries to kill Kon's little stuffed animal thing. Nothing happens. Makes sense. But tell me how a cop picking up the stuffed animal to investigate it somehow agically investigates your body now? That is where the logical sense falls apart.

Now of course lets assume that kon inhabiting your body means anyone investigating him thinks he is you, or you are he, or your body is his, or whatever. So they end up investigating you instead. That makes sense. But tell me why someone trying to kill Kon won't do the same thing?

It just doesnt make any sense that half the targets just fail and half pass on to the person he is hiding behind.

[Gorrad]

No roles are perfect fits to the characters in these kinds of games. Ryuk as a Bulletproof Townie in Death Note didn't really make a lot of sense, but it was the best I could do with the character.

[Korlash]

Sure but Bullet proof is a simple role. You don't make up a complex illogical role without just cause to do so. If his claim was just "simple hider" then your point would make sense.

Sera wants me to believe the mod saw it necessary to make changes to the orriginal hider role. He doesn't die for hiding behind scum, why? There has to either be a balance or a theme reason. Same with passing along investigations and such to his target. There has to be a reason.

[GLaDOS]

... Processing ...

If he hides behind the doctor, he's immune to being killed. If the doctor protects him, then he's double-protected. If the scum target the doctor, the doc would, probably, still die, yet he would live, due to doctor protection. Depends on whether the mod believes in 'doc owns all', or 'doc's weak'.
Just my insight.

Then let me explain again. Seraphim just explained, for example, that investigations will transfer to whoever Seraphim is hiding behind. So if a Seraphim hid behind a Cop, and that Cop investigated Seraphim, then the Cop would investigate himself or herself.

A Doctor would work in the same way -- the protection would be transferred from Seraphim to the person Seraphim hid behind. That means the Doctor would protect himself or herself. And when that occurs, then a nightkill against that Doctor would fail (because they are protected), and also, a nightkill against Seraphim would fail (because he would be hiding). So in effect both would be immune to single nightkills for the entirety of the game.

I have definite problems with believing that.

[Korlash]

That type of loop could actually be mod error and while it is definite reason why his claim should be looked into harder and not beieved so readily by as many people as it is, it alone isn't exactly substancial. Unless of course there is reason to believe Oh God isn't that careless... if that's the case

[OhGodMyLife]

Vote Count:

6 to lynch

Seraphim: 4 (Albert B. Rampage, Green Crayons, PhilyEc, Gorrad)
ZEEnon: 2 (Korlash, Seraphim)
Albert B. Rampage: 1 (GLaDOS)

Not Voting: 4 (Mastin, Jebus, Xtoxm, ZEEnon)

[GLaDOS]

... Processing ...

I am going to join with the call for more expansive answers from Albert B. Rampage. And if you are counter-claiming the name of Kon, we definitely need to know that. Right now it seems to me as if you are trying to rush this day to a finish, and I see no need for such a rush.

~

As for Mastin's claim that a "transferred investigation" would only result in a loss of one day, two points to make.

1.)

Losing a single day is more than a town should be willing to give if they can get by without losing any days.

2.)

Worst-case scenario is a waste of three days. Worst case scenario assumes a Sane Cop who investigates Seraphim as Seraphim hides behind X. In that situation, we only know that at least one of those

three

players is scum (and that is only under the assumption that we have a Sane Cop, etc). It does not actually narrow down the realm of possibility to two lynches, since we have to first believe the Cop.

~

As a point to consider -- and I have pondered whether or not this is an appropriate consideration, and I believe it is -- if Seraphim is telling the truth about his role, then the town might just lose the additional lynch we have gained by having no nightkills last night.

For example, if we lynch somebody other than Seraphim today and then Seraphim dies along with the person he hides behind tonight, we'll jump down to 8 players rather than 9 players.

[Seraphim]

I didn't catch all the questions directed at me(Mastin's post was tl;dr) but I will definitely try and clear up any confusion concerning my role. Here is the flavor surrounding my role(paraphrased) plus the ability yet again:

I am

Kon

. Due to my compact body, I can hide with one person every night in their packs, shielding me from NKs. However, anyone tracking me via "spirit threads" will get confused and find the person I hid behind instead.

I targeted Gorrad on N1.

I still have no idea whether or not this extends to doctor protections or not. I already asked whether or not this transfers to roleblocks and I can get roleblocked and not hide behind anyone.

Any other questions?

[PhilyEc]

In order to be a

true theme game

the mod should give the scum a few

believable roles to fakeclaim

. Kon definitly fits the description of a believeable role while also being minor enough to not be a main part of the set-up.

Theres a little bit of logic there but tons of speculation. I've not played at scum much but I've never seen a pm (after all roles revealed) stating possible roles scum can claim that others dont have. Rather this gives away roles that are in the game (narrowing down character list) thus I dont agree.

So just to be clear: you do not know the difference between ABR as town and ABR as scum? You just know how ABR “usually posts,” without knowing the context of those posts in an actual game?

You seem to be switching your direction from your last question, its misleading and makes Zeenon look like hes dodging after he answered your question over how he found all of Gorrad's current games. Either nitpicking due to lack of content (I see far better stuff to go on) or else scum trying to turn attention back on Zeenon, note, I dont think hes done anything too scummy.

Care to explain whats going on? It has been a few days since I read how this all began afterall.

[Moving onto page 18]

[PhilyEc]

Ok Sera's latest post makes far more sense. Tracker is most likely the only person effected as mod mentioned this action but not investigating or protecting.

Seraphim is confirmed in my books.

[Korlash]

No one is confirmed off a claim of their own without any (in most situations mutliple) outside confirmations. You might find his claim believeable but that in no way confirms anything.

Theres a little bit of logic there but tons of speculation. I've not played at scum much but I've never seen a pm (after all roles revealed) stating possible roles scum can claim that others dont have. Rather this gives away roles that are in the game (narrowing down character list) thus I dont agree.

How many theme games have you been in based off something like a show or a movie or something with a main pool of characters?

[PhilyEc]

How many theme games have you been in based off something like a show or a movie or something with a main pool of characters?

Rather than asking the noob, can you give me at least one example of this happening in another game?
To answer your question, none. I know nothing for sure but I can speculate that its a bad idea for mod to help scum in the sense that players dont know the roles either. No reveal games through stick to that sense for both sides no?

[Korlash]

I gave like 4 examples already...

And giving a safeclaim is not "helping scum" it is keeping the game fair. In a theme game like this there is a "town pool" of players. Ichigo, Kon, Chad, etc... And it's limited. There is not 150 possible roles to claim. Becuase of this should the town massclaim the scum would be screwed. They would have to pick some inane character and hope that it's not only not in the game already, but believeable enough to be a real role.

This is Bleach mafia, there is a greater then average chance of safeclaims having been given to the scum. To say otherwise is just ignorant bliss.

[PhilyEc]

I gave like 4 examples already...

I've not seen a single link to something real. Thats kinda what Im getting at when I say evidence...

And giving a safeclaim is not "helping scum" it is keeping the game fair. In a theme game like this there is a "town pool" of players. Ichigo, Kon, Chad, etc... And it's limited.

There is not 150 possible roles to claim.

Becuase of this should the town massclaim the scum would be screwed. They would have to pick some inane character and hope that it's not only not in the game already, but believeable enough to be a real role.

A viable option but due to Seraphim's specific description I choose to buy it. Why are you so sure hes lying?

This is Bleach mafia, there is a greater then average chance of safeclaims having been given to the scum. To say otherwise is just ignorant bliss.

Last time I checked there are dozens of characters, captains, hollows, rogues, Menos Grande even >_> Third parties may be in effect too, like the Boundo. Seraphim being Kon is believable, one of the other players seems convinced of this due to their role. His latest posts make the role clear yet you choose to believe hes using a safety net claim. Risk removed, easy for scum to fake.

IF we're to narrow down possible characters, Id say theyre residents of our village. Urahara, the kids, Ichigo and Uruyu are obv, Orihime, Chad, Rukia even. Kon is just another one of these people. That would narrow down scum to 3 funnily enough. (Though this is speculation)

[Korlash]

I've not seen a single link to something real. Thats kinda what Im getting at when I say evidence...

I only link if it's important to a case of mine. This is no more then me backing up what's happened in the past so I'm not respincible for telling you where to look. Either try the search button or disbelieve me I really don't care. In the long run it doesn't really matter if you do or don't believe safeclaims exist. If and when we get into a massclaim either I'll be proven wrong or you will.

A viable option but due to Seraphim's specific description I choose to buy it. Why are you so sure hes lying?

I'm not sure he's lying, I just don't buy the claim right now. The mechanics seems off, it doesn't fit flavor(Which doesnt disprove it, just doesnt sit in his favor either), his original claim of it left a lot out which he then used another two or so posts to fill out the holes, and I'm still trying to figure out if my role makes what he claimed less or more likely.

The question should be why do you believe him so readily? The only reasons I can see are 1) no counterclaim which really doesn't prove anything, 2) the fact you believe Kon is in the game, which, I suppose is the same thing. And 3) the fact that a hider fits Kon's character, which also doesn't prove anything because no one but an idiot owuld fakeclaim if what he says didn't match up.

So I guess both of us are just dwelling on circumstantial evidence. The difference is I'm being cautious in this uncertainty, and you're letting him walk away clean.

Last time I checked there are dozens of characters, captains, hollows, rogues, Menos Grande even >_> Third parties may be in effect too, like the Boundo. Seraphim being Kon is believable, one of the other players seems convinced of this due to their role. His latest posts make the role clear yet you choose to believe hes using a safety net claim. Risk removed, easy for scum to fake.

Captains aren't going to be in this game, hollows are the bad guys, seeing as how I have no idea what a rogue is it obviously hasn't entered the story yet and the MG is likely the GF. I don't know what the Boundo is so that shouldn't be in either.

All your examples are of roles no one can possibly claim and live to tell about it so thank you for proving my point. And the fact his last post made it clear instead of his FIRST post doing it only helps further suggest it's a fakeclaim he is making up or fixing as he goes.

IF we're to narrow down possible characters, Id say theyre residents of our village. Urahara, the kids, Ichigo and Uruyu are obv, Orihime, Chad, Rukia even. Kon is just another one of these people. That would narrow down scum to 3 funnily enough. (Though this is speculation)

I doubt Urahara is in it simply because he took a more sideline approach in this battle. The kids might be in it but I doubt it. I do agree with the other five though. I don't doubt that Kon has potential to be in this game either, what I doubt is the role he claimed along with how he claimed it.

I do however like the point someone brought up recently about how scum might go after the person they failed to kill the previous night. I myself have never done that as scum, but it does make sense. I do want to relook at this wagon when I have a chance and see if this possibility could be true as well.

[GLaDOS]

... Processing ...

Still waiting on Albert B. Rampage.

I will emphasize that deadline is Monday morning (closer to Sunday evening) in forum time, and that we

must reach a full majority

in order to lynch anybody in this game. If I do not think we have a feasible lynch on somebody that I want to lynch other than Seraphim, then I will vote for Seraphim before the deadline hits to assure we get a lynch.

[PhilyEc]

I only link if it's important to a case of mine. This is no more then me backing up what's happened in the past so I'm not respincible for telling you where to look. Either try the search button or disbelieve me I really don't care. In the long run it doesn't really matter if you do or don't believe safeclaims exist. If and when we get into a massclaim either I'll be proven wrong or you will.

You cant even name the specific games? =____= How people react to a claim can be scumtells too so I REALLY dont mind indulging in this topic for a while. Something tells me theres lurking afoot though..

In any case I'll have a look around finished games and hope to gawd you're right (for the sake of lazy man Phily actually looking for them) but I find the claim and role very believable.

The mechanics seems off, it doesn't fit flavor(Which doesnt disprove it, just doesnt sit in his favor either), his original claim of it left a lot out which he then used another two or so posts to fill out the holes, and I'm still trying to figure out if my role makes what he claimed less or more likely.

Well lets look at his two claims then, they should help when beside one another (retrieving thems)

I am Kon and have the ability to "hide" with another player rendering me untargetable for kills that night. However, if the player I am hiding behind is targeted for a kill, I also die.

I targeted Gorrad on N1.

I am Kon. Due to my compact body, I can hide with one person every night in their packs, shielding me from NKs. However, anyone tracking me via "spirit threads" will get confused and find the person I hid behind instead.

I targeted Gorrad on N1.

Only part I find weird in those claims is the 'behind' part when Kon hides through use of being a pill. Aye?

The difference is I'm being cautious in this uncertainty, and you're letting him walk away clean.

Assuming your question above this quote was rhetorical I'll carry on, yes you're being cautious and what I'm being cautious of is my suspect trying to ensue doubt upon the claim so earnestly. It does worry me Korlash, theres three reasons for this.
1) You're Kon
2) You're poor scum (since it seems town wont lynch Sera this round)
3) You're town sticking to your points since you really do believe them.

I'd like to go with three but I honestly cant yet.

I don't know what the Boundo is so that shouldn't be in either.

The tanned grey haired dude who goes around Soul Society topless trying to destory it, yeno... FILLER BOSS MAN.(Vampires)

I doubt Urahara is in it simply because he took a more sideline approach in this battle.

My role puts him in as a shoe-in dude. Thus I disagree. As for ze Kon thing again, I completely disagree (big suprise there~) as Kon's pill (being him) lets him go inside people in Bleach. Seraphim said behind, that worries me and perhaps why you aint believing him.

*Joins on walk to wagon*

[Green Crayons]

Seraphim, did the mod ever clarify for you/did you ask what would happen if you targeted a scum? Or what would happen if you were targetted by a non-scum, non-"spirit thread" tracker?

[Green Crayons]

(Hint: If not, please do.)

[Seraphim]

Seraphim, did the mod ever clarify for you/did you ask what would happen if you targeted a scum? Or what would happen if you were targetted by a non-scum, non-"spirit thread" tracker?

I do not die if I target a scum.

My role PM seems to indicate that such a role does not exist though I will ask the mod this question.

[Korlash]

Do Mod Souls even have spirit threads?

[Korlash]

You cant even name the specific games? =____= How people react to a claim can be scumtells too so I REALLY dont mind indulging in this topic for a while. Something tells me theres lurking afoot though..

I've already named 4 freaking games. Ignoring my posts and blaming me for something really pisses me off you know.

Only part I find weird in those claims is the 'behind' part when Kon hides through use of being a pill. Aye?

He said he hides in their pack or something in his little stuffed body. What confuses me is how anyone tracking a spirit thread is dumb enough to not notice it going into a guys backpack, and of course Im still not sure if mod souls even have spirit threads. I'm assuming they do though, until proven otherwise.

Assuming your question above this quote was rhetorical I'll carry on, yes you're being cautious and what I'm being cautious of is my suspect trying to ensue doubt upon the claim so earnestly. It does worry me Korlash, theres three reasons for this.
1) You're Kon
2) You're poor scum (since it seems town wont lynch Sera this round)
3) You're town sticking to your points since you really do believe them.

I'd like to go with three but I honestly cant yet.

You might also like to know I take claims very seriouly in theme games and have been known to grill people for days over their claim. I'm not perfect, but I like to think I'm good at outing fakeclaims in theme games. If you reeally want a good meta on that look up Fireemblem or clerks. I would suggest deathnote, but as I was scum I was kinda faking it in that one so it's bad meta for this.

As far as other things go..
1) I'm not Kon. If I was I would be voting him already.
2) If I was scum I would have already swtiched back to Zee to take him out, providing he wasn't my mafia partner or something. Honestly, I can't say what I would do as scum...
3) If I've given you reason to doubt I believe my points let me know, otherwise I couldn't care less what you think of me.

The tanned grey haired dude who goes around Soul Society topless trying to destory it, yeno... FILLER BOSS MAN.(Vampires)

So in other words he isn't possibly in the set-up. Got it...

My role puts him in as a shoe-in dude. Thus I disagree. As for ze Kon thing again, I completely disagree (big suprise there~) as Kon's pill (being him) lets him go inside people in Bleach. Seraphim said behind, that worries me and perhaps why you aint believing him.

A shoe-in huh? Alright, I can assume urahara is a possibility, but if that's the case then the kids aren't becuase there just isn't any room left. Unless some of the main town pool is actually the scum in which case burn the mod...

[Korlash]

Damnit... EBWOP:

My role puts him in as a shoe-in dude. Thus I disagree. As for ze Kon thing again, I completely disagree (big suprise there~) as Kon's pill (being him) lets him go inside people in Bleach. Seraphim said behind, that worries me and perhaps why you aint believing him.

It really bothers me that you are so ready to believe his claim yet have obviously missed a major part of his flavor claim. Either you aren't really reading his claim, and thusly you're lying about believeing it, or you are so set in your mind that he is telling the truth you have failed to actully analyse and take in everything he said, in which case you have become biased and cannot be trusted in this issue.

This is the second time you have made mention to something Sera has already cleared up, in fact you quoted when he did it... i'd advise you to seriously rethink his claim because I don't think you ahve fully grasped it yet...