Mini 760 - Bleach Mafia: Karakura Town - Game Over!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Xtoxm is clearly, clearly scum guys. I don't know how to make myself any more convincing than this.

[Mastin]

X right now seems kinda like Jester material--

Don's an idiot in-universe,
He's saying to lynch him,
he refuses to give the details of his role.
But this is the perfect thing to fake when scum as well. I'm probably just overthinking things.

Which would mean his lynch would end the game, with his victory, if that's correct.

Anyway, promised material:

WARNING:

Long post follows.

This was typed just before the topic was locked, but I was not quick enough to post it.

You have no idea whether Seraphim is town or not.

The same can be said for the opposite--you have no idea whether Seraphim is scum or not.

ADDED NOTE: Well, what do you know? Albert WAS right. :/

Even if he has the slightest chance of being scum, he should be killed to avoid a deadline no-lynch.

He also has a much higher chance of being town.
Also, this sounded like you think Seraph is town. Explain, please.

ADDED NOTE: He wasn’t…and I suck. I really, really, suck. :/

If he did in fact prevent a NK yesterday night, it will not happen again because the scum have the knowledge of his role.

This is true.

The reality of this is that there is no more time to be spared. If you have something to say, say it now or be silent. Your uncooperative, anti-town demeanor is noted.

Alright, short version short, for you.

-I think Seraph will flip Kon, like he said he was.

ADDED NOTE: Wrong-o. Due to the flavor being so accurate, I have come to one of two conclusions:
1: The scum have safe claims—which is bad for us, to say the least. It makes sense, as Korlash pointed out, and in addition to that, it’s kinda hard to believe the way he claimed his PM almost exactly matched mine.
2: Seraph got very lucky with the way he worded his role, as it was almost an exact match to what I have in my PM.

-I think Green is scum, amongst other reasons, due to what I see as attempts to push for whatever lynch he thinks might stick.

<--Far less certain, now.
-

I am not as sure as Albert, but I find his posts, for the most part, anti-town. I'd need to read up on his previous games to see about this, though.

<--Am leaning towards town.
-X's attitude here, in comparison to my meta on him, is a large difference, and I find it suspicious, to say the least.
-I think Glados is town.

Anything else?

You have no idea whether Seraphim is town or not...that is, if you're town, which I think the chances of that being much higher than those of Seraphim.

And you ha

ve

d no idea whether Seraphim

i

was scum or not, unless you are scum.
The same logic works for the reverse, you know, except your attitude was guilty until proven innocent.
Is that your style?

ADDED NOTE: So he was guilty—it doesn’t change the general fact that guilty until proven innocent is an extremely anti-town attitude.

Also, if the scum make a mistake and don't NK, that doesn't mean we're going to start giving them freebies. Get a hold of yourself Mastin.

I'm not comprehending.

So, are you saying it would be a mistake for the scum to kill?
I didn't understand that at all.

Crunched on time

Aren't we all...

Unvote: Albert B. Rampage, Vote: Seraphim

*sighs*

Watch as he flips Kon.
Seraph, if you're on, you can save me/others the embarrassment of waiting for the results and just tell us that you are(/n't) Kon.

ADDED NOTE: It would appear our mod was online as I was typing it, and locked the topic before anything of content could be said. Yup, I was wrong…really wrong. I knew the role sounded like a stretch, but the flavor made perfect sense, and moderators almost always add twists to characters, so I believed the claim. I’ll wait to see how the night turns out, and if anyone is killed during the night.

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Well, I’ve got three days to type. Unless the scum cut the time short (which I hope is not the case—these things take AGES to type, you know. I’ve spent half a week on a single post, you know, and the average time is two hours per post, in typing time.), I should have plenty of time, without procrastinating.

If the town sees this before the endgame, that means I was not night killed; thank you, as this is my first themed game and I don’t want my time to be cut short. I have much to offer in the way of theories, some crazy, some insane, and some rather anti-town ones, which I won’t reveal for them being anti-town.

THEORIES:

As Seraph was reeking of scum, and the ONLY thing that stopped people from lynching him before, was his claim, it is likely his buddies condemned him to death. Hence, of the six listed here, (Green Crayons, PhilyEc, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage, Jebus, GLaDOS), it is probable at least one is scum.
Further reasoning: Before the comment on the night, did ANYONE think Seraphim was suspicious/scum? I saw no such concerns.
ADDED NOTE IN-POST: Far less certain now.

I believe that nobody defending Seraphim was scum (Phil was, for a while). Again, the only thing preventing me from lynching him was the fact that his wording seemed very similar to that of my own PM. Hence, to defend him would have been suicidal, leaving the next day, two out of three scum likely going to be dead.

There is a fair chance that, if two mafia weren’t on Seraphim, the other was either likely on ZEE at some point in time, or never voted for anyone at all (again, due to the fact that nobody thought ZEE was scum before his post). Unless ZEE is the mafia, as he wasn’t voting. ZEE and X, the two not voting at the deadline, both expressed concern over Seraphim, yet didn’t vote for him—why?

Phil called Seraphim practically confirmed town—yet still voted for him—why?

No longer relevant.
Not knowing the outcome of the night, any of my suspects could be killed, but this is being typed for those who would live.

Something which occurred to me that hadn’t occurred to me before:
What if we have a traitor? You know, if shot by the mafia, becomes a Mafioso? Flavor-wise, there is one character that fits ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY into that mentality. Anyone with any Bleach knowledge should know who I speak of. It would explain the lack of the kill n1 as well.
So, be weary: we might, just might, have more mafia than anticipated. Sure, there’s *always* that possibility, but most of the town is under the impression of three mafia. I’m keeping an open mind on the matter, as I don’t want to be surprised.

I also saw a very strong possible mason breadcrumb (either that, or mafia code), but I shalln’t reveal something which would only harm the town (

I have pegged down who these masons would be character-wise if existing, and perhaps somewhat of an idea of who they are

Phil was one of three of my mason suspects, and we know that's no longer true. Ignore me).

I’ve scribbled down more notes on roles, what characters could have what role. I am stopping myself from writing down who I find to probably BE these characters, as that is something I obviously have trouble deducing. *points to Seraphim*

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I promised that I’d give my reasons for suspecting

Green, Albert, and

X, in that order. Let’s do X first, for it is the quickest.

-Seraphim’s random vote was on X’s predecessor, GhostWriter. Not much, but it’s ridiculous how many times I’ve seen mafia buss partners with a random vote on their partner.
-X replaced in, but said nothing for a whole page. Lurking?
Possible, though he says that he replaced into another game.
-X expresses a wish to lynch Albert (possible buss), yet lynches Zwet due to the deadline. Right here:

I would much rather lynch ABR, but whatever, nothing's gonna change.

Vote Zwet

Sorry man.

-X admits that the wagon on Zwet was an excuse for a scum lynch, despite being on the wagon himself.

I was right about Zwet. He wasn't scum, just because he turned out to be anti-town doesn't change anything.

Which, to me, is a reference to his earlier post, saying ‘nothing has changed about the circumstances of the lynch’, meaning his opinion still stood, which he expresses here

It's playstyle. Same as why i'm mislynched most the time. And you'll probably speedlynch him in a couple days...

And here:

No, but I don't find him scummy, and i'm not liking the manner in which he's being attacked.

And even further back, right here:

The Zwet wagon looks like a scum excuse to lynch a townie based on playstyle.

By stating on day two that nothing has changed, it means his opinion on the wagon is the same—that the scum were likely on it…yet he, himself, was on said wagon.

Vote Gorrad

Nope, no reasoning here. Just a vote...with no reasoning…which is scummy. Did anyone ever ask WHY he voted Gorrad? Checking those pages now, but I find it odd that nobody noticed…

A threat like that isn't going to work GC. And I am engaged and i'm not below the activity level either.

Nope, not seeing anyone question his vote. It would appear he got away with a no-reasoning vote. Admits to lurking, right there.

Which doesn’t fit my meta on X.

For reference, Newbie 742 is how I know him.

Unvote Vote Seraphim

He stalls and then doesn't claim. If he was town he wouldn't need time to think, he just had to claim.

X’s logic makes sense, and it turns out, he was right.

FoS: Xtoxm

Very easily a weak bus against X.
Or a subtle way of saying “Get the *censored* off me, partner!”

Unvote

Please expand.

Does the pro-town thing of wanting more details. A point in X’s favor.

I don't think your questions were even aimed at me, I think they were an attempt to put me in a bad light.

While most of this post is pro-town, this, again seemed like a scummy comment to make—reading to me as “I don’t like how you’re putting me in the spotlight”…and only scum should fear taking the heat of their actions. It could theoretically also read as “I don’t like your bussing, Green, against me.” But that’s a stretch by any standards.

Could you give more detail on your PM

Asks for more detail.

(On a side note, on a reread, I accidentally picked up another role hint from another person when rereading, but I would prefer to not state it at this point in time—it relates to my mason theory and if I am correct about this hint, it would also explain the gameplay of the player who dropped it concerning a certain matter. Another section of the game just reinforced this theory. [AND ANOTHER just a little later on. I’m picking up on a LOT of them, now.]
Up to the point where I would be surprised if the player who dropped these tells is NOT who I suspect they are. I won’t reveal such information yet, though, as it would only harm the town. There’s another person I see linked to this person in subtle ways. I will say no more)

Xtoxm, GC, what exactly are you talking about? Do you want the flavor for my role PM as well? Straight-forward questions and I will give you straight-forward answers.

Despite the other people talking, only addresses X and Green. This is a very possible buddy tell. “Hey, buddies, stop fighting! We need to get a townie lynched, NOW!”

A stretch, of course, but I find it odd that Seraph was addressing them alone.

Not much, but it is very worthy of note.
Sum-up:
-His play doesn’t match my town meta of him
-Seraphim and Green have been the two players I see addressing him the most later on, although early on it was Glados and Phil
-X wanted to lynch one person, yet deadline lynched another
-X admitted that nothing had changed, as in, he still thought that the scum were on Zwet’s wagon, yet he, himself, dropped the hammer on said wagon.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mastin, you know I love you, but don't post this bullshit. Can you do something relevant and either vote Xtoxm to keep the momentum, or clearly define yourself as a Gorrad/Korlash hater?

[Korlash]

Judging from his post just now I have no idea why his vote isn't on me...

[Albert B. Rampage]

We do want to know what you're thinking Mastin, but not everything, not to the last detail. I myself often find myself writing long paragraphs and end up erasing everything because I wasn't focusing on the message I was trying to convey with the post.

If you're going to strike something out, just erase it instead. It really doesn't make you seem any more pro-town, it just indicates that you have a lot of time on your hands.

[GLaDOS]

... Processing ...

I want a full-claim from Xtoxm. To this day, I have never seen somebody in a position where they are about to be lynched who was better off not claiming their role, especially this early in a game.

~

I am perfectly fine with posts like the one Mastin just posted. Seeing a thought-process can be more helpful than seeing the product sometimes.

However, please stop speculating what roles you think people might have (such as your Mason group speculation). This definitely seems to be a bad habit of yours in this game. If people drop tells/hints for their roles, it is because they

do not

want them pointed out – and chances are they know more about when information is relevant to point out more than you do. If you finding completely

inconsistent

tells then that could be different, as there you may be dealing with somebody trying to set up multiple avenues for fake-claims. Just be sure to use judgment.

~

I have not yet seen a real reason to suspect Korlash of being scum. I would appreciate seeing some reasoning, or being pointed to reasoning.

[Jebus]

I want a full-claim from Xtoxm. To this day, I have never seen somebody in a position where they are about to be lynched who was better off not claiming their role, especially this early in a game.

Complete agreement here. I too wish for Xotxm to claim.

Something which occurred to me that hadn’t occurred to me before:
What if we have a traitor? You know, if shot by the mafia, becomes a Mafioso? Flavor-wise, there is one character that fits ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY into that mentality. Anyone with any Bleach knowledge should know who I speak of. It would explain the lack of the kill n1 as well.
So, be weary: we might, just might, have more mafia than anticipated. Sure, there’s *always* that possibility, but most of the town is under the impression of three mafia. I’m keeping an open mind on the matter, as I don’t want to be surprised.

I know Bleach well, I've got no clue who you speak of, though I suppose with the right mechanics any ol person could become a mafia member :/

Maybe you're referring to the Fisher, or something? That'd be a really interesting role to include, as a mod I can only imagine the possibilities for that one.



As for Mastin, while he's not been particularly helpful (eg, his most recent post), I really can't see him as being scum.
ABR is also particularly town.
Same with Korlash.
Gorrad could possibly have been a Phyl result, but again, I think town.


Also, I caught post 7, which in context seems interesting, but for RVS it's very likely just to be RVS logic.

[ZEEnon]

First off, i'd like to have a moment of silence for PhilyEc ...

Warning! This post has a lot of role speculation. Reader discretion is advised.

OK, continuing on. During the night I did some investigating.. and I came across this site:
http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Hollows
I have a

huge

feeling that the scum roles are coming from this site,
as it is the first site to appear when you type bleach wiki or hollow list into a search engine.
Both Shrieker (serial killer) and Numb Chandelier (mafia redirector) have come from there,
and it would not surprise me if the last two mafia are Jibakurai and Bulbour G.
Those hollow seem to be around relatively the same episodes as Numb Chandelier.

Jibakurai first appeared as a Demi-Hollow that was chained at the hospital. Don Kanonji accidentally transformed him by removing his Chain of Fate. His Hollow form resembles a frog. Ichigo Kurosaki managed to kill the Hollow and clean up Don Kanonji's mistake.

This description mentions something brought up quite recently, Don Kanonji.
Which leads me to believe Xtoxm's claim.
However I did believe Seriphim's claim as well, so I might just be entirely mistaken.
To be honest, I did not suspect at ALL that Don Kanonji would be a character in this game until Xtoxm claimed.
Now that he mentions it, the relation between his claim and my investigation is undeniable.

In my opinion, Don Kanoji (Xtoxm) is one of three things:
1. Town sided
2. Fool (on this site called Jester)
3. Safe claim given to mafia

I'm not sure which, but I think that option two is the least likely.
At least I hope that is the case, I don't want to deal with a 'Jester.'
In the chance he is town sided, (yes now I am leaning on him being scum) I would like to know what his role can do.
I would think that he would be an ordinary villager. (forgot villager = townie on mafiascum, sorry!)

SCRATCH THAT

. Xtoxm is confirmed town to me.
I understand, it sounds like a stretch, but please get off him.
I was doing some more research and I realized something.
I can't say what yet, but i'm certain i'm on to something BIG.
Please, I have found something really important to the town,
but I can't explain without claiming, or giving the mafia too much ideas on what to claim.
But please trust me on this, i'm extremely sure that Xtoxm is town.
I can't believe I didn't realize this before..

*sigh*, more pondering. I realized that Xtoxm isn't confirmed.. that was an exaggeration.
I apologize. But i'm leaning quite heavily on him being town.
The only reason I have doubt is due to the fact that Seriphim claimed Kon and was actually in fact mafia.
But this time i'm really sure that Xtoxm is real.
If everyone wishes for me to, I will explain my reasoning for thinking why Xtoxm is clear.
Unfortunately, it may probably involves me claiming.
I don't see my claim affecting the town too detrimentally,
but it is possible that it can be unsafe to do so.

Bulbous G, as his name hints, is an oversized, melee-style Hollow whose mask resembles a guardian lion. Bulbous G is defeated by Sado after he awakens his latent powers while trying to protect Karin Kurosaki.

*omitted before posting* which leaves me to conclude that this scum is in the game as well.
Not only that, but it is extremely likely that *omitted before posting* is in this game.
I'm pretty sure that *omitted before posting* would be some sort of *omitted before posting* in this game.
*omitted before posting* (villager = townie; I mixed up again!)
With those two roles, it is highly likely that Bulbous G is in the game as well.
I'm pretty sure that this hollow is in the game.

I read through PhilyEc's posts, especially the posts around the transition from day one to day two.
PhilyEc was obviously suspicious of Albert B. Rampage, and definitely investigated him as such.
He must have come up as town due to the fact that PhilyEc did not follow up on his argument on ABR at all.
In my eyes, Albert B. Rampage is not a hollow.
If there is scum that appears as town in this game, I am pretty sure that it would be Grand Fisher.

With all my role speculation, as well as roles I think are in the game due to my role but I don't want to reveal..
I have about nine roles figured out.
I can safely conclude that Vizards and Bounto are not in the game.

**Note: Before I posted, I omitted some sections so that I don't give
the mafia (hollows) too much ideas on what to fake claim. (If the moderator hasn't done so already)

End of role speculation.

zwetschanwasser: 7 (GLaDOS, Korlash, Albert B. Rampage, Giuseppe, Gorrad, Seraphim, Xtoxm)

Once again, I refer to these votes.
In my opinion, GLaDOS is neutral. She hasn't done anything particularily scummy, which scares me.
I don't have a read on her, which makes it difficult to determine her alignment.
Korlash is the only other person that was helping Seriphim push for my lynch.
I think that he is just an idiot though, because after reading his posts in isolation, I don't see anything too scummy.
Albert B. Rampage; town. Not much else to say.
Guiseppe (replaced by Mastin); hmm.. not sure.
Gorrad; probable scum.
Seriphim; scum. that is all.
I

think

Xtoxm is town due to my theory, but otherwise, I would think Xtoxm is scum by the way he is acting.

Seraphim: 6 (Green Crayons, PhilyEc, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage, Jebus, GLaDOS)

New votes to refer to, woo!
Green Crayons could have planning a massive bus since day one, but I doubt it.
PhilyEc; confirmed town, obviously.
Gorrad; probable scum.
*skips ABR*
Jebus could have bussed on Seriphim, seeing his lynch inevitable.
I say the same about GLaDOS.

About the people that DIDN'T vote for him.
Korlash, I don't know. Either idiot town or scum.
Xtoxm... I just realized he is the scummiest player. WHY DID HE HAVE TO HAVE THAT ROLE?!
Mastin; I feel that he is town, but unsure of his vote on Green Crayons. (possible scum)
ZEEnon - definite town, obviously. what more can I say about this player?
Alright alright, well i'll explain. I wasn't voting Seriphim because unfortunately
I don't have ANY experience with fake claims on this website.
I was fooled, yes. I will try not to make that mistake again.

Anyways, as you can tell from what I posted, I think Gorrad is scum.
Notice how PhilyEc is the only person besides me to bring attention to Gorrad?

So, until I find someplace better for it, I'm going with my gut.

Vote: PhilyEc

My gut's usually a LOT more reliable than my logic- hate to say it, but it's true.

I guess both fail you, or you are scum.

Not just this, but you voting me for bullshit reasons doesn't help your case either.
Gorrad's 'case' on me, if you can call it a case, that is:

1. Commented on doctor save
2. Insulted Korlash

Apparently the two things aforementioned are extremely scummy in your point of view..

I spy with my little eye someone bussing! Hint: The name starts with an 'S', and ends with an 'eraphim'. Still, I'm much more confident in ZEE-scum, so I'm willing to take advantage of the bus. Either way.

I hope i'm not the only one to find something terribly wrong with this post.
It's as if he knew that Seriphim was a hollow.. (hollow = scum)

Not like I'm hopping on a bandwagon here.

Unvote, Vote: Zwet

. Deadline aproacheth, and there are much worse people to vote.

Did I mention that Gorrad is scum?

Vote: Gorrad

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[GLaDOS]

Hmm. That is definitely an interesting theory (about which Hollows are in the game), and my own role tends to corrobate the theory. I may choose to claim after Xtoxm fully claims, but I will need to think on it.

[Gorrad]

See Don Kanonji is the best choice for a secondary non-hollow scum based soley on th fact he half created a hollow in the show. he's also in the list of secondary near-safe claims along with Kon, although that alone doesn't make it fake. I am currently sitting on a list of the most likely 10 town characters, of that I only assume we have 8 town roles, meaning two of them are likely not in the game. And With Don Kanonji not even being a part of that list it makes him even less likely to be in the game.

Need I bring up DN mafia again? Lind L. Taylor was a role, as was Hideki Ryuga. Minor roles have a place in theme games, Korlash.

[Mastin]

If we have a traitor, he's it.
(Seriously, I've watched those first episodes so many times, I might as well have them be the first actual Bleach Movie to me, instead of Memories of Nobody. )

Think about it--he was devoured (attacked) by a Hollow, and then became one.
Sounds like a traitor to me.

Jibakurai

Jib appeared in Episode two, so I suppose it does fit, but the events of this game were around Episode Eleven--which is why the Fisher and Menos Grande were given as most probables by Korlash.

(forgot villager = townie on mafiascum, sorry!)

I've done that. Called a vanilla townie a 'blue' at least twice in a single post. Caught it once, missed it the other time.

Anyways, as you can tell from what I posted, I think Gorrad is scum.

I tend to disagree with this point. I have my reasonings, but like you, it would be more harmful than helpful to post them.

Hmm. That is definitely an interesting theory (about which Hollows are in the game), and my own role tends to corrobate the theory. I may choose to claim after Xtoxm fully claims, but I will need to think on it.

Can't say that I'm of any help in this matter--my own role doesn't mention any possible hollows in the game, and I will say nothing more on the matter, for it would be a strong hint at my own role.

[Gorrad]

Sorry for the double post, didn't see the new page.

ZEE, if you have something that clears Xtoxm, say it. Without hard evidence, he's pretty clearly the lynch in my eyes.

As for the rest of your post:

A) Your role speculation is pretty bold. I rarely see a mini theme like this where roles to role names were that predictable. (This applies to Mastin as well.)

B) What in the nine rings is your case against me? You say "Probable Scum" twice without expanding on why, with the exception of saying my vote on you is baseless (Which it's not. Recall that the 'commenting on "doctor save"' thing was what started the Seraphim-scum wagon. Told y'all that was a scumtell.). You also say that you and Philly were the only ones to really get my attention. Why the hell would I NK someone scummy as scum? Yeah, it's WIFOM, but still. It would be pretty freakin' dumb of me to do so. Plus, to toally negate those last few sentences, I voted Philly as a gut vote, and unvoted when I had one better.

And to top off this post, I have no clue why people INSIST on bringing it up in every game I'm in:

NO JESTER SPECULATION!!!!!!!!!

[Mastin]

ZEE, if you have something that clears Xtoxm, say it. Without hard evidence, he's pretty clearly the lynch in my eyes.

Agreed, BUT

Wait for X to FULLY claim FIRST.

[Mastin]

Missed this line:

NO JESTER SPECULATION!!!!!!!!!

If we never assume there is a Jester, then they'll win far more often than if we did.

[Gorrad]

Missed this line:

NO JESTER SPECULATION!!!!!!!!!

If we never assume there is a Jester, then they'll win far more often than if we did.

So. WHAT?!?!?

[Mastin]

So. WHAT?!?!?

So, if the Jester wins, that player does, but nobody else--town or scum--does. Which we can agree is universally bad.

[Gorrad]

So. WHAT?!?!?

So, if the Jester wins, that player does, but nobody else--town or scum--does. Which we can agree is universally bad.

This is so not true, it's not even funny.

Think about it: You're a mod. You come up with a theme game, and put a lot of effort into making a fair and balanced setup. Would you REALLY put in a role that can end the game after Day 1? In an open game or nontheme, maybe. But not here.

That's not to say there's no Jester. There could well be. But if they win, the game would just keep going.

[Korlash]

This description mentions something brought up quite recently, Don Kanonji.
Which leads me to believe Xtoxm's claim.
However I did believe Seriphim's claim as well, so I might just be entirely mistaken.
To be honest, I did not suspect at ALL that Don Kanonji would be a character in this game until Xtoxm claimed.
Now that he mentions it, the relation between his claim and my investigation is undeniable.

You're overlooking the fact that you are overlooking the methos grande, the most likely of all the hollows to be in this game. The hollow you are refering to in question is the least likey out of the 5 to be in the game because it was the first of them to appear. The theme of this is late in the first season pretty much from the time Chad first found his powers to when Rukia left I would guess. Believing Xtoxm's claim based off a guess of who the mafia could be is dumb...

And what investigation is this you speak of? Investigating roles or an in game investiation?

SCRATCH THAT. Xtoxm is confirmed town to me.
I understand, it sounds like a stretch, but please get off him.
I was doing some more research and I realized something.
I can't say what yet, but i'm certain i'm on to something BIG.
Please, I have found something really important to the town,
but I can't explain without claiming, or giving the mafia too much ideas on what to claim.
But please trust me on this, i'm extremely sure that Xtoxm is town.
I can't believe I didn't realize this before..

Bullshit, either elaberate or shut up. Only Albert can get away with shit like this because the rest of us are too weak and incapable to do anything about that.

*sigh*, more pondering. I realized that Xtoxm isn't confirmed.. that was an exaggeration.
I apologize. But i'm leaning quite heavily on him being town.
The only reason I have doubt is due to the fact that Seriphim claimed Kon and was actually in fact mafia.
But this time i'm really sure that Xtoxm is real.
If everyone wishes for me to, I will explain my reasoning for thinking why Xtoxm is clear.
Unfortunately, it may probably involves me claiming.
I don't see my claim affecting the town too detrimentally,
but it is possible that it can be unsafe to do so.

This is an example of when you should delete the worthless paragraph before posting it. If you have evidence Xtoxm is town you should tell us so we don't mislynch him. If you have to claim, then hey better then a mislynch no?

@ The rest of your role speculation: i pretty much said almost all of that 10 pages ago... So I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking that way. Although I do find it funny you calling me the idiot when you're making this huge post just to reiterate half the things I already said.

Need I bring up DN mafia again? Lind L. Taylor was a role, as was Hideki Ryuga. Minor roles have a place in theme games, Korlash.

No shit... You're preaching to the choir here man. But that doesn't change anything. Unless Xtoxm claims more there is no reason to believe Don is here. He wasn't in any way connected to the big hollow fight at the end... Then again neither was I... Hmmm... Well I mean I suppose i was in a way... sorta...

You know I like my flavor speculation until I have to work my character into it... I screw everything up...

[Korlash]

There is no freaking jester! THERE NEVER IS! If you allow yourself to think there is you will fuck something up.

A Jester is an acceptable loss. if I lynch a jester that's no skin off my nose. But I will not waste my time worrying about it. 9 times out of 10 there isn't even a jester. And on that 10th time either the mod will tell you there is a jester or the jester will be a surviver role like Gorrad had in Deathnote...

jeeze... Stop wasting time with Jester speculation...

[ZEEnon]

Gorrad makes an excellent point about there being no Jester in post 541.

Jib appeared in Episode two, so I suppose it does fit, but the events of this game were around Episode Eleven--which is why the Fisher and Menos Grande were given as most probables by Korlash.

Nope, you are incorrect.
Jibakurai
Debut (Anime): Episode 10
He fits the exact timeline this theme game is made around.

Acidwire (Sora Inoue)
Debut (Anime): Episode 2
Seems like the traitor you speak of is not likely to be in this.

Why the hell would I NK someone scummy as scum?

Actually PhilyEc did not catch my eye even once to be scum for some reason.

You're overlooking the fact that you are overlooking the methos grande, the most likely of all the hollows to be in this game.

There very well could be Menos Grande, but likely aren't.
I've done my research, and speculated for a while.
With Xtoxm's claim my theory is only strengthened.
Not only that, but the roles that are flipping definitely aren't matching with the beginning flavour given either.

Believing Xtoxm's claim based off a guess of who the mafia could be is dumb...

Oh, but I never said anything about believing his claim due to the scum we might be up against.

[Gorrad]

Why the hell would I NK someone scummy as scum?

Actually PhilyEc did not catch my eye even once to be scum for some reason.

Yeah, try reading the rest of that paragraph. I didn't find him particularly so either, just a gut. I was simply stating that your sentence in 532, "Notice how PhilyEc is the only person besides me to bring attention to Gorrad?", is completely irrelevant. It's wrong, and even if it was right it would make no sense as a scumtell.

[Korlash]

There very well could be Menos Grande, but likely aren't.
I've done my research, and speculated for a while.
With Xtoxm's claim my theory is only strengthened.
Not only that, but the roles that are flipping definitely aren't matching with the beginning flavour given either.

The main hollow of the contest was a MG... what do you mean it likely isn't in here? that's complete Bullshit. It's the most obvious choice for any GF or high ranking scum role. It's the main enemy Ichigo and uryu have to take down during their contest. it's the main freaking bad guy of season 1... How can you say you've speculated for a while and done reasearch and have come to the conclusion it's not likely in the set-up?

All this is some fabrication to try and help Xtoxm, and even then it's no evidence he's a real role.

How are the flipping roles not matching the flavor?

[Korlash]

Oh, but I never said anything about believing his claim due to the scum we might be up against.

yes... you did...

This description mentions something brought up quite recently, Don Kanonji.
Which leads me to believe Xtoxm's claim.

This is all after you explained Jub. You are believing Xtoxm's claim because you believe Jub is a likely scum role. First you bring up a BS argument now you're lying about it? What is up with that man?

[ZEEnon]

Yeah, try reading the rest of that paragraph. I didn't find him particularly so either, just a gut. I was simply stating that your sentence in 532, "Notice how PhilyEc is the only person besides me to bring attention to Gorrad?", is completely irrelevant. It's wrong, and even if it was right it would make no sense as a scumtell.

I've gotten night killed for almost knowing both the mafia in my first game.
Ask Green Crayons, he's the one that killed me.

[Korlash]

how do you "almost know" both the mafia?