Mini 760 - Bleach Mafia: Karakura Town - Game Over!

[GLaDOS]

... Processing ...

Although actually, my role does hint that I am not fully aware of my abilities. I had just thought of that as a throwaway descriptive line until now.

[Xtoxm]

Could everyone who has something in their PM that suggests they might have a latent ability please say so now, so me and K know who we should be choosing to target from.

K: Do you think we should claim our targets so far?

[Mastin]

Notes:

Albert brings up a good point about the namecop.
Korlash didn't claim what I expected. I picked up LOTS of tells from him that would suggest another role...
Glados's ability makes sense.

More importantly,

I have a line in my role PM which suggests that I could have some hidden talent.
Given my character, though, I severely doubt that this would be the case.

I dislike how many claims we've seen in less than 12 hours.

Also, X, Korlash...who have you targeted? I'd think if they knew they got some sort of extra ability, they'd instantly know about it, hence, able to confirm/deny this event from happening...

[OhGodMyLife]

Vote Count:

5 to lynch

Xtoxm: 2 (Albert B. Rampage, Gorrad)
Gorrad: 2 (Xtoxm, ZEEnon)

Not Voting: 5 (Green Crayons, GLaDOS, Mastin, Jebus, Korlash)

[ZEEnon]

Alright. Yuichi Shibata doesn't interfere with my theory,
only bumps another major character out of the game.
I'm pretty sure *omitted before posting* is not in the game now.

Korlash's role backs up GLaDOS' role which is further supported by Shrieker.

My role

definitely

has a latent power. At least, i'm pretty sure.
I had to ask for clarification on my role from the moderator during confirmation to fully understand it.
Once everyone else claims, if they choose to, I will claim and give my theory out.
I don't want the scum to have any idea of what to claim.
To be honest, I think the beginning flavour is a way to mislead us from the real characters in the game,
and to give the scum a good idea of what to fake claim.

[ZEEnon]

Yūichi Shibata, (柴田　優一, Shibata Yūichi) a human boy whose mother was killed by the Hollow Shrieker when the latter was a living

serial killer

.

I would have determined that there was a serial killer in the game from this.

[Gorrad]

Before I put my two cents in on the role, I want ZEE to claim what the heck his role is as opposed to constantly skipping around it. If you have something to put Xtoxm in the clear, I want to hear it.

Looking at my PM, it does look like I have some kind of hidden ability. I'm pretty sure at least Korlash is telling the truth.

[ZEEnon]

It's just a theory Gorrad, nothing that immediately 'clears' him.
Also, I assume I will claim when I get back home in about two hours.

[Korlash]

*gasp* I have found Chado! My non-official sub goal has been achieved! Hold me... ^_^

K: Do you think we should claim our targets so far?

No. Let's just assume the two of us believe each other for now. because of the number of people claiming they may have latent abilities I would rather anyone who was told their abilities were awakened claim. If one of us has targeted one of these players claiming their PM suggests they havelatent abilities it might be a sign they are scum. It's iffy and could result in misinformation sure, but it would definitly bring another benefit to our claiming.

I'd like other's opinions on it sure, but it sounds to me like the best strategy. Unless anyone has any huge doubts about us.

Korlash didn't claim what I expected. I picked up LOTS of tells from him that would suggest another role...

Does what i claim contradict any tells? Otherwise what's the point of this? it seems like you're throwing subtle doubt into my claim without actually saying it.

Also, X, Korlash...who have you targeted? I'd think if they knew they got some sort of extra ability, they'd instantly know about it, hence, able to confirm/deny this event from happening...

I checked with Oh God. Anyone i target would instantly know the same night.

[ZEEnon]

Let's see other things... Oh right I'm freaking glad that stupid hallow is finally dead! Yay me! <3 Chadokun!

This post definitely matches his role claim.
Also, I think Mastin might have thought you were Orihime Inoue.

[Korlash]

how the hell did I come off as Orihime? I am not the most useless character ever invented in an anime... *grumbles* I feel insulted...

[ZEEnon]

[Green Crayons]

Post Disclaimer

: I haven't read past page 21. I am not commenting on anything from D3 in this post. Do not expect me to comment about anything on D3 for probably another day or two because I planned on getting smashed this weekend like any responsible adult with a healthy dependency problem.



I don't really want to go into it at the moment because this is really just an after thought to the rest of this post (but will be happy to at a later point in time), but I'm thinking Xtox, ZEE and Albert are solid town. DOS and Mastin are leaning town.

I think we should be lynching either Korlash or Gorrad today. Nobody else. I don't want to explain my reasons for this (so, yes, I'm asking people to trust me and my judgment) at all today - besides saying that the reasons are grounded in D2 judgment - because it would really help scum at the town's expense. And the deal is, in my opinion, if we string one of them up and he's scum then the other is pretty much cleared town. If we lynch one of them up and he's town the other is a scumbag.

I did a reread of D2, and have some questions for the respective players. I would like to think they would take a moment to answer/comment upon them since I've tried to parse them down to the really scummy moments of D2. If someone else has asked you about these points in D3, please just say so and I'll catch 'em when I read up.

Gorrad

Seraphim had "Alright. Day 2, dead SK, no NKs. We got lucky. Time to start hunting scum." Which is worthy of an FoS for the same reason as ZEE's worthy of a vote, but not at the same scale.

Touche. ZEEnon, IMO, is more likely to be scum.

Gorrad, your logic here is exactly the same voiced by Seraphim. How does that make you feel? How do you explain this? Do you still feel the same way about ZEE? Why did you feel the need to reiterate this feeling in 463 when the Seraphim lynch started to waver? Don't you think your 463 looks really bad (as in,

really freakin' bad

) beside 468 where you're just following Albert like a lost puppy but giving really bad excuses so it doesn't look like your following Albert like a lost puppy?

Gorrad, what was the point of your 384?

I could easily see 409 as an early bus. Gotta jump ship quick when a scumbuddy makes a piss poor claim. Gorrad, how do you align this post with your 428 which pretty much makes a big fat excuse for Seraphim's bogus claim?

Why were you linking to tvtropes?

Korlash

In 302 Korlash explains he liked his ZEE vote because 1) originally he noted the night-action discussion scum tell and then because 2) he thought ZEE's responses were scummy. A day (and page) later in 330, he's oblivious to the Seraphim suspicion - even though it started out from the same genesis as the ZEE suspicion. I didn't catch Korlash commenting upon Seraphim again until

six

days later in 411, when he claims to be ready to hammer simply because he doesn't like the claim. He says that he wants Seraphim to explain himself more before he hammers/votes, gets into a small tiff with ZEE with the position that Seraphim's claim

is

scummy, and in 422 he once again says that Seraphim's claim is scummy. Now, here's what really gets me: By 422 ZEE has unvoted so Korlash wouldn't be hammering. By 422 Seraphim has further explained his role (the only reason Korlash gave as to why he didn't hammer in 411), but Korlash has repeatedly voiced a strong suspicion of that claim. So... what's the deal? Where's the vote? It makes absolutely no sense - he looks like he doesn't want to do in a scum buddy. The icing on the cake is his 427 (and later posts) when he's arguing with Mastin about just how scummy Seraphim's claim is but there's still absolutely no vote.

Hmm I must really be lost. What did I do to get paired with sera again? Becuase he voted the same person I did?

This seemed to be a bit of a premature denial. The closest thing I spotted to someone connecting Korlash to Seraphim was Phily's 356, but that was Phily wanting to know what Albert thought of Korlash

and

Gorrad, and he thought they could either be paired with Seraphim. I mean, looking at Phily's post he doesn't seem to be too terribly specific or accusing, so Korlash's post looks a bit like an attempt to quash any connection between him and SeraScum.

I'm still not getting why people have come to the conclussion of a me/gorrad deal. Be it partners or an either/or thing. From my perspective it seems like a few key players keep trying to play that card left and right as if trying to either set up future lynches or start an early misdirect.

An early misdirect from what? And shouldn't people lay the ground work for future lynches if we see scummy behavior?

We can agree to disagree then. I will say I would rather see a dead Mafia then a Dead SK right now but I would also rather see a Dead Sk then a Dead Town. So I suppose the situation could be worse.

Really weird. I get a manufactured vibe from this little argument he was making.

I don't like Korlash's intricate knowledge of what tools scum has in his 423 argument.

[Green Crayons]

Skimmed D3.

Phil appeared to have a guilty.

Albert is being dumb. Attempting to discern cop results is not innately scum. I want to know why you thought this to begin with (even if you backed away from it later).

Green Crayons, you are pretty much confirmed town to me. Please give analysis on Xtoxm + Gladdos. Gladdos especially in relation to Seraphim.

Xtox is town. Dunno about DOS in relation to Seraphim. I remember her making an extremely valid point about the doctor loop hole that helped me confirm my suspicions. She hasn't exactly been the most active.

words

While I can appreciate excessive verbosity as much as the next guy, if you add some sort of structure or organization to your posts (maybe by even splitting them up unto smaller posts), you'll come across much more effective. And I won't skim your posts as often. And people will read your posts more often. And your information will digest better.


I believe DOS' claim because of the mention of a passive ability. I have one, too. I have no indication (direct or otherwise) of any "latent" ability. Truth be told, I do not think my character would have a latent ability.

I think Xtox is town - has nothing to do with his role, everything to do with his play. Therefore, I think his claim is real. What I remember from the anime, however, was that all his character did was muck things up. At one point he and Ichigo's sisters team up, if I recall correctly. Did he start doing stuff then with some semblance of competence?

[Korlash]

Do you even actually want me to respond to any of that? Eh i'll do it when I get back regardless.

[ZEEnon]

Green Crayons has turned into town. Amazing!

[Korlash]

Naw. I'm actually likeing his lynch today. But before he goings into "OMG OMGUS KORLASH!" mode I'll respond to his post.

I think we should be lynching either Korlash or Gorrad today. Nobody else. I don't want to explain my reasons for this (so, yes, I'm asking people to trust me and my judgment) at all today - besides saying that the reasons are grounded in D2 judgment - because it would really help scum at the town's expense. And the deal is, in my opinion, if we string one of them up and he's scum then the other is pretty much cleared town. If we lynch one of them up and he's town the other is a scumbag.

This is actually the biggest reason I like him as scum today and also a small reason Gorrad is cleared a bit in my eyes. Where is the evidence that if one of me of Gorrad flips town, the other is obv scum? Where is the evidence that if one is scum, the other is obv town? This looks like he's setting up one mislynch today with the other to follow the next day. However, I'm still willing to allow him the chance to backtrack and try to manufacture evidence, or of course point out where I missed it. Whichever...

In 302 Korlash explains he liked his ZEE vote because 1) originally he noted the night-action discussion scum tell and then because 2) he thought ZEE's responses were scummy. A day (and page) later in 330, he's oblivious to the Seraphim suspicion - even though it started out from the same genesis as the ZEE suspicion. I didn't catch Korlash commenting upon Seraphim again until six days later in 411, when he claims to be ready to hammer simply because he doesn't like the claim. He says that he wants Seraphim to explain himself more before he hammers/votes, gets into a small tiff with ZEE with the position that Seraphim's claim is scummy, and in 422 he once again says that Seraphim's claim is scummy. Now, here's what really gets me: By 422 ZEE has unvoted so Korlash wouldn't be hammering. By 422 Seraphim has further explained his role (the only reason Korlash gave as to why he didn't hammer in 411), but Korlash has repeatedly voiced a strong suspicion of that claim. So... what's the deal? Where's the vote? It makes absolutely no sense - he looks like he doesn't want to do in a scum buddy. The icing on the cake is his 427 (and later posts) when he's arguing with Mastin about just how scummy Seraphim's claim is but there's still absolutely no vote.

I'll put this as short as I can. I like flavor and I like claims. seeing as how I called Chandolier as mafia on day 1 and seeing as how I was right about Sera I think I have good reason to do what I do to claims. I didn't hammer him at first so he could full claim, after whoever unvoted me voting him was kinda pointless. I didn't vote him in the end because Mastin had made it look like he was claiming Tracker and half confirming Sera's story. Now if you can explain to me how putting a guy who's claim I am currently questioning at L-1 would make it more likely to get answers from him before a lynch you can continue arguing my not vote as somthing. If someone had put sera at L-1 again I probably would have voted him. but as long as I was continueing my question, I felt keeping him at L-2 would give me the most time to continue my questioning.

This seemed to be a bit of a premature denial. The closest thing I spotted to someone connecting Korlash to Seraphim was Phily's 356, but that was Phily wanting to know what Albert thought of Korlash and Gorrad, and he thought they could either be paired with Seraphim. I mean, looking at Phily's post he doesn't seem to be too terribly specific or accusing, so Korlash's post looks a bit like an attempt to quash any connection between him and SeraScum.

You just helped prove my post. Thank you. Even you can only find one post linking me and sera as partners, so let's think for a moment. Why do you think I would ask why people were linking me to him... Oh right, because no one ever gave any reasoning or posts as to it! Philly just up and said it out of the blue! yeah asking him why is so scummy on my part. /sarcasm

An early misdirect from what? And shouldn't people lay the ground work for future lynches if we see scummy behavior?

In retrospect obviously Sera, but at the time I only meant misdirect from anyone currently under pressure. sera and Zee are probably the only two that were, so I suppose I meant misdirect from one of them. And no, you should lay ground work when you see reason. saying "I think so and so are scum" and NEVER saying why is not good enough for future lynches. You are laying the ground work for people you keep saying you think is scummy without ever saying why they are scummy.

Add this again to my seting up mislynches speculation.

Really weird. I get a manufactured vibe from this little argument he was making.

... How so? And how does it make me scum? Just throwing out useless stuff now huh?

I don't like Korlash's intricate knowledge of what tools scum has in his 423 argument.

My knowledge of past theme games makes me scum now? So... what... I'm scum forvever now? i can't forget my past experiences... So I guess I'm always going to be scum because I will always believe scum have safeclaims in theme games... Good logic there GC... good logic indeed. Oh wait... right... ha ha ha...

I believe DOS' claim because of the mention of a passive ability. I have one, too. I have no indication (direct or otherwise) of any "latent" ability. Truth be told, I do not think my character would have a latent ability.

damnit I meant to use the word passive in my post... oh well sucks for me. The "other ability" I meantioned is in fact a passive ability. not that I expect you to believe it.

I think Xtox is town - has nothing to do with his role, everything to do with his play. Therefore, I think his claim is real. What I remember from the anime, however, was that all his character did was muck things up. At one point he and Ichigo's sisters team up, if I recall correctly. Did he start doing stuff then with some semblance of competence?

what about his play, the play he pretty much does as both scum and town from my experience with him, makes you think him town? How can you make the statement "He is town" over what you see as just a town playstyle from him?

And fort he record, the karakura super squad does not fit with this theme... The only real Don Kinonji appearance is the time with the hollow he created and possible a comeo in the next episode when he visits Ichigo at home, unless that was the same episode...

[Korlash]

EBWOP: erase the "me" in the third paragraph. Sometimes words get mixed up in my head when I type and that just makes it hard to understand.

[Gorrad]

Gorrad

Seraphim had "Alright. Day 2, dead SK, no NKs. We got lucky. Time to start hunting scum." Which is worthy of an FoS for the same reason as ZEE's worthy of a vote, but not at the same scale.

Touche. ZEEnon, IMO, is more likely to be scum.

Gorrad, your logic here is exactly the same voiced by Seraphim. How does that make you feel? How do you explain this? Do you still feel the same way about ZEE? Why did you feel the need to reiterate this feeling in 463 when the Seraphim lynch started to waver? Don't you think your 463 looks really bad (as in,

really freakin' bad

) beside 468 where you're just following Albert like a lost puppy but giving really bad excuses so it doesn't look like your following Albert like a lost puppy?

Gorrad, what was the point of your 384?

I could easily see 409 as an early bus. Gotta jump ship quick when a scumbuddy makes a piss poor claim. Gorrad, how do you align this post with your 428 which pretty much makes a big fat excuse for Seraphim's bogus claim?

Why were you linking to tvtropes?

1. Frankly, I don't see how the logic there is the same at all. For one thing, Seraphim has an obvious strong bias. Secondly, I, unlike Seraphim, posted reasons why ZEE was more likely. You can't say we have the same logic when Seraphim doesn't post logic. And yes, I still feel the same way about ZEE. In fact, Xtoxm's claim's satisfied me enough for now,

Unvote, Vote: ZEEnon

.

2. I found ZEE's original transgression worse than Seraphim's. I found him scummier. However, the kills paradox, aka the reason I was voting Seraphim, slipped my mind in 463, hence why I thought I was voting ZEEnon. When I realized that I wasn't, I looked through my post history and remembered why my vote was where it was.

3. 384 is a response to 383, which included:

Gorrad strikes me as the observer in this game, some of his actions have been questionable but hes overall ties with Korlash are making me wonder just how strong they were pre-game wise.

4. 409 was saying that the role claimed was bogus: not because of the flavor but rather because of the aforementioned kills paradox. 428 said that the flavor is not a reason to dismiss a claim, but said nothing about dismissing a claim based on the role itself.

5. 451 was in the time frame of 463, when the kills paradox had slipped my mind. I linked to "Refuge in Audacity" because I thought I was voting ZEEnon, and, as I stated clearly IN 463, "Seraphim, as I meant with 451, has claimed a role so unbelievable that I actually am in favor of believing it." This, of course, changed in 468 when I did my reread of my posts and saw why I was voting who I was.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Erg0 is a sheep of the worse kind. Easily falling into enemy plans, easily manipulated by the scum. He's no less than a coward and an incapable.

Vote Xtoxm.

[Xtoxm]

If you still think i'm scum then you have moved into idiocy...Rolecop is possible, that would tell me "Spirit Enabler". There is no way I can accurately say what that does with just that, it is not a standard role, and on the wiki an Enabler is nothing like this. The fact that K has the same role as good as confirms me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It could be a detailed safe claim decided by the mod beforehand. Your behavior as a whole is not congruent with your claim.

Whatever just lynch me

You can have my character, i'm Don Kanonji. I'm not saying any more than that. If you want to lynch me I can't stop you.

I have explicitly stated I am not claiming. This is a likely scum setting up the "if you're not going to claim then i'm going to vote you".

This is not how a "spirit enabler" would act. At all.

You sir, are scum.

[Xtoxm]

Whatever, i'm town

[Albert B. Rampage]

No you're not.

[Xtoxm]

Definately am.