[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[Crazy]

Murder Suicide Mafia

2 Mafia Goons
2 Mafia Traitors
1 Cop
7 Townies

Traitors lose if both goons are lynched.
Traitors know their scumgroup, but the goons don't know the traitors.

Does the Cop get guilty on just Goons or both Goons/Traitors?

[Simenon]

Murder Suicide Mafia

2 Mafia Goons
2 Mafia Traitors
1 Cop
7 Townies

Traitors lose if both goons are lynched.
Traitors know their scumgroup, but the goons don't know the traitors.

Does the Cop get guilty on just Goons or both Goons/Traitors?

Cops get guilty on traitors.

[BridgesAndBaloons]

Cowardly Mafia v4

2 Bulletproof Mafiosi
1 Compulsive Vigilante
9 Townies

The Mafiosi have a shared Bus Drive ability rather than a nightkill, but gain a nightkill ability on the night after the Compulsive Vigilante dies.

I nominated this, I want someone to second this.

[ortolan]

Delayed Reaction

12 Players:

3 Mafia Bombers
1 Explosives Expert
1 Explosives Expert's Understudy
7 Vanilla Townies

The mafia do not night-kill, instead each night they choose from two options: plant a bomb on a player, or detonate all previously planted bombs. Being blown up kills a player. The explosives expert can check a player each night to see if they have a bomb planted on them. The understudy gains the abilities of the explosives expert when they die. Mafia cannot plant bombs on themselves. The explosives expert will receive a positive result on whomever they investigate if a bomb was planted on them on a previous night or during the night the investigation was undertaken. All roles are revealed upon death, including that of the understudy.

[ortolan]

Wait how is Cowardly Mafia v4 balanced? The vig still kills the scummiest players, in order to kill the vig the mafia have to know both whom the vig is and guess who their target is, which seems very unlikely. Until then the vig just vigs the scummiest lynch-bait players then reports when they get a no-kill. They lynch the scum and the vig gets another go. It's not balanced at all...

The best chance mafia have is to counter-claim the vig, but if this happens after day one it's likely only the vig can justify their choice of night-kill targets based on their previous posts.

[Empking]

Cowardly Mafia v4

2 Bulletproof Mafiosi
1 Compulsive Vigilante
9 Townies

The Mafiosi have a shared Bus Drive ability rather than a nightkill, but gain a nightkill ability on the night after the Compulsive Vigilante dies.

I nominated this, I want someone to second this.

Second

Nominate: Ort's DR

[Elephant Hell]

ortolan: the Mafia can Bus Drive scummy players with non-scummy players even if they don't know who the Vig is. Even though the Vig would know what happened if the victim is different to their target, they can't be sure that the player they originally targeted is just scummy but pro-town or actually part of the Mafia.

Optionally they could get an extra Mafioso or maybe get a shared Roleblock in addition to the Bus Drive, but I think that makes it less balanced or more complicated than it needs to be respectively.

[BridgesAndBaloons]

Instead of night-killing, the mafia may choose

each night to either plant a bomb on a player or detonate all planted bombs. The explosives expert can check a player each night for a planted bomb. The understudy gains the abilities of the explosives expert when they die. Mafia cannot plant bombs on themselves. If the explosives expert investigates a player who has a bomb planted on them

the same night

, they will learn that the player has a bomb planted on them. All roles are revealed upon death, including that of the understudy.

Just making sure, the mafia can choose to night kill the whole game and Never use the bombs?

And the explosive expert

only

learns when she targets the

same

night?

[BridgesAndBaloons]

now that i think of it cowardly v4 is probably more balanced with a mafia gunsmith ability.

[ortolan]

The mafia can't night-kill, and the explosives expert learns if there is an explosive charge on the person altogether, including if it was placed on the same night as the investigation took place. Edited as it may have been unclear.

[Elephant Hell]

now that i think of it cowardly v4 is probably more balanced with a mafia gunsmith ability.

Probably true (I probably overestimated the likelyhood of the Vig claiming, although it's still pretty high).

Cowardly Mafia v5

...Revenge of Cowardly Mafia
2 Bulletproof Mafiosi
1 Compulsive Vigilante
9 Townies

The Mafia has no nightkill but 2 shared abilities: Gunsmith (detects Compulsive Vigilante) and Bus Drive. Either Mafioso may use either ability. They gain a shared nightkill ability in the night after the Compulsive Vigilante dies.

[ortolan]

I added the extra townie I originally had back to Delayed Reaction to make it 12 player. This adds an extra day before LYOL assuming 3 mislynches/bomb plants.

It seems reasonably balanced now. Any comments?

Cowardly looks alright in its present form but I'll check out some more commentary before giving my approval.

[Empking]

Nominate: CM5

[BridgesAndBaloons]

Nominate: CM5

Second CM5

[Scigatt]

A quick setup idea I just had.

Indecisive Mafia

3 Mafia Goons
1 Cop
1 Jailkeeper
6 Townies

[BridgesAndBaloons]

Delayed Reaction

12 Players:

3 Mafia Bombers
1 Explosives Expert
1 Explosives Expert's Understudy
7 Vanilla Townies

The mafia do not night-kill, instead each night they choose from two options: plant a bomb on a player, or detonate all previously planted bombs. Being blown up kills a player. The explosives expert can check a player each night to see if they have a bomb planted on them. The understudy gains the abilities of the explosives expert when they die. Mafia cannot plant bombs on themselves. The explosives expert will receive a positive result on whomever they investigate if a bomb was planted on them on a previous night or during the night the investigation was undertaken. All roles are revealed upon death, including that of the understudy.

Shouldn't you give the last mafia left alive a night kill?

[ortolan]

Why?

[ortolan]

Third CM5

Second Delayed Reaction

[molestargazer]

Do we have a list of all the approved open setups anywhere?

[Korts]

Usually, the first post of this thread. Right now, the updated list is in post 479 of same thread.

Also, can someone go through the recent pages for nominated and seconded setups? I have no time for it atm. The Certification Group needs to be kickstarted again.

[BridgesAndBaloons]

Why?

Well, I it just seems more acceptable to me, and it limits the power of the explosives expert when there's one mafia left. Which, I see as more balancing in the possibility that both experts are alive and the other two mafia have been lynched first two days.

[BridgesAndBaloons]

All of the set ups nominated since Page 25. I only include the most recent version and label it without the V2 or v.3 or whatever. I didn't include "joke" setups or setups without names

Name of Setup

- Proposer

Proposed, Nominated, 2nd, 3rd, ect

[post proposed, nominated, seconded, ect]

Other note: all players who propose their game count as someone who supports it. So, a game that is 3rd means that 4 players support it. This also means that a player that proposes a setup cannot nominate, 2nd, or 3rd their own setup because they're already voting for it.

Simple Sanity Issues

- Max

Proposed

[730]

Needlessly Complicated

- Empking

Proposed

[736]

CAKE E9

- Empking

Proposed

[752]

Super F11

- StrangerCoug

Proposed

[754]

Cult F11

- Empking

Proposed

[758]

Cult Texas Mafia

- Empking

Proposed

[773]

Pie X4 +2

- Empking

Proposed

[776]

1-Shot C9

- Elephant Hell

2nd

[780, 781, 782]

1-shot Micro

- Elephant Hell

Nominated

[786, 782*]

Guilty Or Alive

- BridgesAndBaloon

Proposed

[811]

Tap Dance Multiball Mafia

- Adel

Proposed

[812]

D(dethy)9

- The Fonz

Proposed

[829]

Whoa, Back it up!

- skitzer

Proposed

[830]

Normal not normal Dethy

- Empking

Proposed

[832]

Line Tapper Small town

- Korts

Proposed

[832]

Elegant PYP

- Simeon

Proposed

[848]

Murder Suicide Mafia

- Simeon

Proposed

[849]

Delayed Reaction

- Ortolan

Nominated

[853, 855]

Cowardly Mafia

- Elephant Hell

3rd

[860, 862, 863, 867]

Indecisive Mafia

- Scigatt

Proposed

[864]

*not a mistake.

Simple Sanity Issues

3 Mafia (One Role Blocker)

1 Cop (50% Sane, 50% Insane)
8 Town

Needlessly Complicated

2 Mafia - RB instead of NK - Wins at 50% or 1 M, 1 T, 1 SK going into the day.

1 SK

1 Cop
3 Townies

Cake E9 V.2

1 Goon
1 RB

1 Reporter
1 Watcher
5 Townies

SUPER F11

• 12 players
  
• Roles for nine of the players are selected at random from the following:
  1. 1 Mafia goon, 1 Mafia roleblocker, 7 vanilla townies
     
  2. 1 Mafia goon, 1 Mafia roleblocker, 1 cop, 1 doc, 5 vanilla townies
     
  3. 2 Mafia goons, 1 cop, 6 vanilla townies
     
  4. 2 Mafia goons, 1 doc, 6 vanilla townies
• The other three roles are selected at random again from the following:
  1. 1 Mafia tracker, 2 vanilla townies
     
  2. 1 Mafia tracker, 1 backup cop, 1 backup doc
     
  3. 1 Mafia goon, 1 backup cop, 1 vanilla townie
     
  4. 1 Mafia goon, 1 backup doctor, 1 vanilla townie

Cult F11

2 Mafia

50% 1 Cult

1 Vig
1 RB if neither/both Cult + Cop
50% 1 Cop
3-6 Vanilla Townies

Cult Texas Mafia

1 NK-Immune Cult Leader

11 Vigs

Vigs lose power when culted.

Pie X4 +2

1 Busdriver
1 Goon

1 Cop
1 Doc
5 Townies

1-shot C9

2 Mafiosi

1 from: 1-shot Cop (Sane), Townie (50% chance of each)
1 from: 1-shot Doc (Sane), Townie (50% chance of each)
3 Townies

Daystart.

1-shot Micro

2 Mafiosi

1 1-shot Cop (Sane)
1 1-shot Doc (Sane)
3 Townies

Daystart.

Guilty OR alive

COP HEADSTART
2 mafia
5 Townies
1 Cop- sanity confirmed

And there's a 50/50 chance of the following options:
an un-nightkillable Survivor (Survivor can win with scum and survivor can win with town).
OR
an additional townie that's a miller (they are not told) and one member of the mafia is investigation-immune.


Now here's an interesting scenario: if there's a survivor, scum do not want to lynch the survivor, and yet town

does

. Then this adds WIFOM as to whether there's a survivor or not. At the same time,

if

there's a survivor, scum has to try to find

who

it is, so that they don't waste their night kill, and so that they don't lynch them.

Another idea is for the other setup, if there's no survivor, scum can claim survivor and coast to the end. However; the town knows this is a possibility, and so they must lynch a claimed survivor. This prevents the survivor from claiming!

Tap Dance Multiball Mafia

1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Line Tapper
1 Werewolf
1 Werewolf Line Tapper
2 Townie Line Tappers
2 Lovers, Group A
2 Lovers, Group B
2 Townies
Day Start

The Lover groups and scum groups can PM each other during the 72 hour pregame. During each night phase they can communicate only via a QT thread provided by the moderator.

Each Line Tapper can target one other player each day. If that player is in a group that has a QT thread, the line tapper gets a copy of the link, and can also post there (at night) if she feels like it.

Each line tapper can only use her ability successfully once per game.

D(dethy)9

2 scum
four townies
3 cops, each of whom have equal chance of being sane, insane, naive, or paranoid, and whose probabilities are independent.

Whoa, Back It Up!

4 Mafia
1 Cop
3 Backups
4 Townies

This is an interesting mechanic I thought of, not sure if it is balanced though. See, if the Cop claims, the Mafia doesn't want to shoot them because then they would have 3 Cops. That's really all I have to expand upon it but I thought another interesting thing would to make the sanity of the cop questionable; for instance, make him Insane 75% of the time and Sane 25%. That would throw a whole level of WIFOM for the Mafia.

Normal Not Normal Dethy

2 Scum
4 Day Cops (Naive, Paranoid, Insane, Sane)

Nightless

Line Tapper Smalltown

4 pairs of Neigbours
1 Line Tapper

2:7 Smalltown
Daystart

Line Tapper sees full QT.

Elegant PYP

1 Mafia Goon
2 Mafia Roleblockers
1 Cop
1 Doctor
1 Vigilante
6 Townies

Scum at the beginning of the game choose which town powerrole gets a role-block immunity.

Murder Suicide Mafia

2 Mafia Goons
2 Mafia Traitors
1 Cop
7 Townies

Traitors lose if both goons are lynched.
Traitors know their scumgroup, but the goons don't know the traitors.

Delayed Reaction

12 Players:

3 Mafia Bombers
1 Explosives Expert
1 Explosives Expert's Understudy
7 Vanilla Townies

The mafia do not night-kill, instead each night they choose from two options: plant a bomb on a player, or detonate all previously planted bombs. Being blown up kills a player. The explosives expert can check a player each night to see if they have a bomb planted on them. The understudy gains the abilities of the explosives expert when they die. Mafia cannot plant bombs on themselves. The explosives expert will receive a positive result on whomever they investigate if a bomb was planted on them on a previous night or during the night the investigation was undertaken. All roles are revealed upon death, including that of the understudy.

Cowardly Mafia

...Revenge of Cowardly Mafia
2 Bulletproof Mafiosi
1 Compulsive Vigilante
9 Townies

The Mafia has no nightkill but 2 shared abilities: Gunsmith (detects Compulsive Vigilante) and Bus Drive. Either Mafioso may use either ability. They gain a shared nightkill ability in the night after the Compulsive Vigilante dies.

Indecisive Mafia

3 Mafia Goons
1 Cop
1 Jailkeeper
6 Townies

[BridgesAndBaloons]

Elephant Hell is awesome at designing open game setups, apparently.

I suggest that the open setup certification group looks at 1-Shot C9 and Cowardly Mafia because they both have 3 people approving them.

I will update the list with any seconds (ect) I see, Let me know if I missed something or made a mistake.

[ortolan]

Well, I it just seems more acceptable to me, and it limits the power of the explosives expert when there's one mafia left. Which, I see as more balancing in the possibility that both experts are alive and the other two mafia have been lynched first two days.

I think the probability of them getting a clear isn't that high to begin with plus even if the expert does claim an innocent on one or two players then the remaining mafia can plant a bomb on him then blow them all up the next night. Otherwise it's their fault for losing their scumbuddies imo.

[Korts]

Thanks BAB!

I'm gonna take One-Shot C9 and Cowardly to the certification group.