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Post Post #725 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:10 am

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Hey, I'm liking Paltry's posts #674 and #676. :D

I actually didn't consider that Sens taking on Sly immediately as a town-tell, but that's interesting to note. That makes me want to evict hewitt significantly less.
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Still no. One difference is that scum can win before the Final Two if they're protective of their group.

Another difference is that 8 of the people in the game have no alliance and can still win even if they die.

Another difference is that in BB, usually everyone lies to some degree; in this game, town still have no reason to lie.
Sly wrote:I just meant WIFOM in a way that it couldn't be argued and proven either way, therefore irrelevant. I didn't mean there was anything bad by it.
Well,
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it can be proven that he flaked. And when you nominated him, you should have been able to tell that he flaked, because scum don't "lurk" for 6 days on purpose.
bv wrote:If I had been playing this from the beginning, I would have gone with Sensfan/Ani as scumbuddies, with Sly as possibly on the opposing faction. Snow_Bunny seems to be actively lurking quite a bit, as are Siroginous and Saber.
Not many explanations there...
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Post Post #726 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:16 am

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animorpherv1 wrote:As I've been saying, I have a town vibe from hewitt (general helpfullness and such). I'd much rather vote for bv310 (says he's reading, but only when asked, did he give us anything). Subtle things like that could be the distance between the "town" winning or losing.
vote:bv310
I don't trust Ani, so naturally I'm going to vote the other guy:
vote: hewett
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Post Post #727 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:26 am

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saberwolf wrote:
animorpherv1 wrote:As I've been saying, I have a town vibe from hewitt (general helpfullness and such). I'd much rather vote for bv310 (says he's reading, but only when asked, did he give us anything). Subtle things like that could be the distance between the "town" winning or losing.
vote:bv310
I don't trust Ani, so naturally I'm going to vote the other guy:
vote: hewett

Geez, thanks. Voting someone based on if you like the other voter or not doesn't actually count as scumhunting.
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Post Post #728 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:36 am

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animorpherv1 wrote:
saberwolf wrote:
animorpherv1 wrote:As I've been saying, I have a town vibe from hewitt (general helpfullness and such). I'd much rather vote for bv310 (says he's reading, but only when asked, did he give us anything). Subtle things like that could be the distance between the "town" winning or losing.
vote:bv310
I don't trust Ani, so naturally I'm going to vote the other guy:
vote: hewett

Geez, thanks. Voting someone based on if you like the other voter or not doesn't actually count as scumhunting.
I don't see you bussing the right choice as scum, so I'm going to assume that the other one is the right choice, cause I no longer trust you as being a floater.
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Post Post #729 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:10 am

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Sironigous wrote:Oh wow.
From Page 14...

@Snowbunny regarding that question...

How is numbers bad when I'm trying to explain what someone else said? (which that someone else still didn't explain)... I even scratched it when I messed up right after.
I've seen scum doing that more often than town. Numbers talk, whatever small it is, it's distracting.

quote="hewitt"]
Kmd4390 wrote:It's not semantics. If you are playing this game like Big Brother, you are not playing to your win condition.
I think the floaters should be playing this like it's Big Brother in a way because it's important for floaters to be in positions of power. I think it's important for floaters to be trying very hard to get HoH and stay off the block in order to stay out of eviction's way. The less floaters we have on the block the less chance we have of being evicted.

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I disagree with this. As I've said before, this is no much different from a normal mafia game. Town wants to find scum, and being in a position of power doesn't guarantee that.

You know, I feel kinda a protective feeling from this post towards Sly. Like you're trying to back him up for what he did of rushing the deadline. Not good.

@pablito: On a total unrelated matter, are you by chance linguistic or something like that? It seems you focus a lot on language.
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Post Post #730 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:49 am

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I think the Deadline is Dec. 14th, and seeing as I haven't got any further information from bv310 + a town read on SensFan / hewitt, I'm gonna vote.

Vote: bv310


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Post Post #731 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:46 am

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Snow_Bunny wrote:I disagree with this. As I've said before, this is no much different from a normal mafia game. Town wants to find scum, and being in a position of power doesn't guarantee that.
Yes but if the floaters are continually being put up on the block for eviction then we're going to lose. So the floaters need to try to avoid being nominated as much as possible. It's really not that complicated. And how is that in defense of Sly when I've been stating I'm going to nominate him and actively pursue his eviction if I'm tapped as the next HoH? Are you actually reading the game?
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Post Post #732 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:50 am

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I speak languages. But I'm a psychologist.

So deadline's coming up I see. I will vote later.
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Post Post #733 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:49 am

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Diary room

"This house is full of liars. Looking at the 2 nominee I'm voting on who I think is the biggest liar here."

Nominee bv310/Hewitt vote count:

bv310 (3) Kmd4390, animorpherv1, Paltry Excuse
Hewitt (1) saberwolf

Deadline is Tuesday Dec 15, 5:00pm PST
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Post Post #734 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:35 am

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Im leaning to a hewitt vote at this point.

There has been no case on bv posted by anyone that I have seen. After reading the DC posts from entering the game, there were a whole lot of legitimate things pointed out, questions asked, it just looks like a town post to me all the way.

I dont really like a hewitt lynch in the least bit, I would actually bet he is town. The fact is I would bet more on DC town. Also I think a hewitt lynch will be more informative then a DC one, so if I have to lynch one of two town reads, I prefer the weaker one that has more connections.

Case on bv though. Anyone but sly?
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Post Post #735 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:48 pm

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mod: you spelt my name wrong



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Post Post #736 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:20 am

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Well, the deadline is looming and this is the only opportunity I have to post today.

I don't particularly want to vote either player as I think they are probably both town. That said, I think that Hewitt's contribution has been much better than BV's. I know BV hasn't been around as long but this:
bv310 wrote:If you guys want, I can do a person-by-person read Sunday. I don't particularly want to, since it's a bit of a pain in the ass and I'd rather just start with a clean slate.
is not at all helpful to the town. I don't want to be modkilled, therefore:

vote: BV310


By the way - Sly - I apologise for my rant about you calling me useless. I mis-read the voting you put up and thought you were calling me useless! It's only pablito's post 718 that made me realise my error.
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Post Post #737 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:10 am

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Mr Finch wrote:
By the way - Sly - I apologise for my rant about you calling me useless. I mis-read the voting you put up and thought you were calling me useless! It's only pablito's post 718 that made me realise my error.
No worries. Obviously, I didn't make my chart illustrating 'vote reasoning' clear enough. I'm just glad you figured out I was not calling you useless.

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Mass non vote? Will the mod kill everyone who doesn't vote?

The deadline is looming and it is looking like the house may be getting emptier at a much more rapid rate than was previously expected!!
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Post Post #738 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:34 am

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Well, I might as well vote. Who knows if I won't be able to post before deadline due to my shitty Internet.

Vote: bv310


I'm not keen on voting on either of them, but at least I got a town vibe from Sens/hewitt ('cept for the points brought in my last post, but that's not much), and bv310 is yet to say anything.
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Post Post #739 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:04 am

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/confirm

Hi all, I've read and mostly caught up. Ill have a post with some notes I took while reading through, as well as a vote and thoughts up later today - hold me to that.

But one immediate thought that I don't think was discussed enough is that townies in this game need to be more careful about following others since there is a greater than standard representation of scum voices.

@Mod- do I get to guess at the coup d'etat puzzle?
Is it possible for multiple players to win the coup d'etat?
If so, is there a mechanism to prevent scum teams from sharing answers or otherwise having a big advantage in this (ie. Is each mafia team only allowed to win once...?)
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Post Post #740 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:10 am

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Hi Kast, welcome to the game. Just want to mention that with 11 voters, 6 will make a plurality. bv is now L-1.
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Post Post #741 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:48 am

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OK, 5 votes on BV... 1 on Hewitt.

Since votes are irrevocable.. uh.. everyone hast to vote Hewitt so that BV won't get nommed.

Personally I thought Sensfan was scummier than DisCode (emotional vs not here), though I see BV scummier than Hewitt.
(Hewitt is actually here more and posts)

If this trend continues, I would definitely vote for BV. If no one else has anything else to say I'll vote... or someone else will.
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Post Post #742 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:54 am

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@Animorpherv1: Just going through your posts in ISO, the only person I saw you pursuing at any point was SensFan for his flake. Now you've voted for bv310, essentially, not SensFan. Who do you suspect and why? At this point I've seen nothing on how you actually are perceiving the game other than posts that are re-iterations of other people's posts? We have 30 pages of information, at this point you've gotta have someone who you find is suspicious.
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Post Post #743 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:19 pm

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Kast wrote: @Mod- do I get to guess at the coup d'etat puzzle?
Is it possible for multiple players to win the coup d'etat?
If so, is there a mechanism to prevent scum teams from sharing answers or otherwise having a big advantage in this (ie. Is each mafia team only allowed to win once...?)
You can guess once per week.
Once a player submits the correct answer that is it there is only one coup d'etat in the game. I will not say who won the coup just that a player has received the coup..
If you see the example on page 1 the scum teams could only communicate once in the game and no more communciation is allowed after that time limit.
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Post Post #744 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:40 pm

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Notes from reading through:
Crazy is not Saber's team due to PoV mixup.

Paltry is very pro-town here; people pushing for sens lynch as punishment for replacing are scummy.

False and scummy strawman. They clearly stated PoV should be used to put a scummy candidate up when there is none, NOT to protect a suspected town nominee

This insistence on HOH following town's will is ridiculous. It's better to shoot 2 random than follow advice from a 6/13 scum distribution (and even better to just put your top suspects on top).

Everyone should share who they suspect and why, but the HOH should not be limited to following any majority (or plurality) decision.

The HOH should consider what everyone says, but it's far more important to see a history of which players are suspicious of whom and willing to vote for whom.

Strong agreement. THIS is the PRIMARY reason for voting the nominees as well. Secondary could be to see stuff from others that you missed and third to check your thoughts against others (both should be lower than your own beliefs).

Strongly dislike how this was handled. Sounds like an attempted appeasement without care for finding scum. I suspect SlySly may be scum. The DC nomination doesn't look like a plausible bus (DC is still potentially scum, but I don't think DC and Sly can be on the same team).

Thoughts on everyone, these will likely develop as I take time to go back and read each player in iso:
Sly- Probscum. The pick of kmd could legitimately be a gut feeling on kmd. The pick of sens could be OMGUS (understandable because sens is a pretty bad player who just likes pushing people's buttons). However, the pick of BV makes no sense as a townie.
AM- Pretty irrational. Has pushed some weak posts that look like feelers for a mislynch.
MF- Neutral. No read on him. Don't remember any noteworthy posts.
Llama- Neutral. Not much read on him. Don't see Sly's argument against him.
KMD- Neutral. He hasn't posted anything that sounds convincing, but his behavior so far seems typical of his behavior in most games and not indicative of any affiliation.
Sir-Neutral. Nothing memorable.
SB-Neutral. Nothing memorable.
pablito-Neutral. Posting reasonably and getting others to post.
Crazy- Neutral/positive. Almost no read on him other than the note above.
saber-Neutral/positive. I get a slightly town read on saber. I don't agree with a lot of what he has posted, but a lot of it sounds genuine and sounds like a townie who is trying.
PE-Pro-town/positive/possible links. I don't agree with the decision to use the PoV right away, however, I understand the usage and it is a playstyle disagreement, not anything affiliation indicative. I don't think there is enough information available on D1 for any townie to accurately determine that two other players are so likely to be town that one of them should be veto'ed. Clearly PE thought differently.

BV- Neutral. Nothing stood out from the previous players, but BV himself seems more interested in actually playing this game. I don't see the reasons behind naming him. Moderately informative lynch since I don't think BV and Sly can be on the same scum team.
Hewitt- Almost everything Sens posted was irrational and/or emotional junk. Nothing scummy per se; unfortunately, Sens stubborn, irrational playstyle is good at hiding anti-town behavior as playstyle-based instead of affiliation-based. Hewitt seems much more interested in actually playing the game and finding scum. In recent posts, Hewitt seemed a bit desperate, however, this is null since townies SHOULD want to avoid being lynched. I think Hewitt would still be an informative lynch, however, the information would not be as specific as with BV.

I'd like to know if either of them will select an HOH who will nominate Sly as one of his two choices.
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Post Post #745 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:45 pm

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@Mod-
-I assume that means Zwet did not guess yet and I can still take a guess?
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Post Post #746 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:14 pm

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If my post wasn't clear, I think it would be better to lynch BV rather than Hewitt. More importantly, I want to hear from BV and Hewitt, whether either of them intends to choose an HOH who will nominate Sly.
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Post Post #747 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:57 pm

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Kast wrote:@Mod-
-I assume that means Zwet did not guess yet and I can still take a guess?
You can still guess. I'm sorry I misunderstood the question.
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Post Post #748 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:03 pm

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farside22 wrote:
Kast wrote: @Mod- do I get to guess at the coup d'etat puzzle?
Is it possible for multiple players to win the coup d'etat?
If so, is there a mechanism to prevent scum teams from sharing answers or otherwise having a big advantage in this (ie. Is each mafia team only allowed to win once...?)
You can guess once per week.
Once a player submits the correct answer that is it there is only one coup d'etat in the game. I will not say who won the coup just that a player has received the coup..
If you see the example on page 1 the scum teams could only communicate once in the game and no more communciation is allowed after that time limit.
Kast wrote:@Mod-
-I assume that means Zwet did not guess yet and I can still take a guess?
Um, anybody feel free to correct me, but I think I found a scumslip?

From what I see here, he was checking to see if he can still guess at the coup d'etat even if his scumbuddies do. I think he let it slip that Zwets is his scumbuddy, and that his other scumbuddy hasn't mentioned anything about solving the puzzles. Why else would Zwets be mentioned here?
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Post Post #749 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:15 pm

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Kast replaced zwet
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