Oh. My. God.
CSL, are you doing this on purpose? Did you miss the part where WE LOSE A FREE COP INSPECT if we lynch before the week is up? UNVOTE! Anyone who's town on the SSBF wagon, unvote now and just revote him afterward! Also, didn't you notice the part where Locke claimed a guilty on him?
Whoever puts SSBF at L-1 or hammers is confirmed scum.
But that said...um, SSBF, how about instead of giving us useless blathering on theory, you say which players in particular should be lynched/investigated?
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I asked Eddard Stark, and he said I could paraphrase our QT, but not quote it. (I guess Percy's quote happened too quickly for Faraday to punish it.) Cow, feel free to correct me if you think I've got anything wrong.
On N1, I received an invitation telling me that I'd been selected to join the Sworn Brotherhood of the Kingsguard. Here's a synopsis of what went down there. I'll go into as much detail as possible, just to point out suspicious comments and motives for a NK. I'll just do N1 for now, because the QT is looooong.
1)
LynchMePls
writes an awesome introduction post with lots of geeky flavour and formal courtly language about why he chose each of us as knights to serve in Ser Barristan the Bold's newly formed Kingsguard. It's irrelevant now, but seriously, you have to check our QT out after the game. It was so cool. He points out that he breadcrumbed his role in his first post of the game. He explains that he was looking for players who 1) were intelligent (not VIs), and 2) he thought were town (although that second one didn't work out so well).
In a nutshell, his reasons for choosing us:
-Percy: LMP had decided from the beginning to elect the Hand into the Kingsguard. Reiterates that he thought Percy was a great choice for Hand, and meets both requirements.
-Drippereth: LMP liked their mix of passion and logic, and also said we'd get two players at once with their inclusion.
-Hascow: LMP liked his defence from Axelrod's attack, as well as his observation, wisdom, and ability to make good points in concise ways.
-Mina: LynchMe says that he initially had doubts about me, but that toward the end, he thought my playstyle was brave and that I'm willing to challenge players whose opinions are different from my own.
-Raivann: LMP wanted Raivann to join the kingsguard so we could direct the vig kill, and also so we could keep an eye on him.
-Seventh spot: Blank. LynchMe's idea was for us to decide on who the kingsguard would be.
2)
Hascow
says it's okay, he was also geeking out, more welcoming stuff, etc. He says he'd have to look at the game again to see who he'd pick as the seventh. Says we have a pretty good group so far, and that Raivann was a good choice whatever you thought of his play. Asks if we should trust each other to nameclaim or roleclaim, or if we should keep it a secret just in case there are scum in the QT.
(That rose a minor red flag at the time.)
3)
Raivann
is excited to be on the kingsguard, says he knew lynchmepls was town, and votes for xvart to join. (
I personally think this rules xvart out as a Greyjoy
, because I don't think Raivann would have been that bold when there were already two Greyjoys on the guard.)
4)
Raivann
posts again, and reiterates that LMP is obvtown because of his abilities. In his follow-up post, he ranks the kingsguard from trustworthy to least trustworthy as follows: Raivann, LynchMePls, Drippereth, Cow, Percy, Mina.
5) I (
Mina
) geek out a little (and style myself Dame Mina the Evil Pink Butterfly), thank LMP for the invitation, and say it's too bad I already had a town read on him. I say that although he made good picks overall, I don't fully trust all the players in this topic, so we shouldn't claim--and that judging from the flips, names are more closely linked to abilities than in the mini. I say that my top choice would be Thor (because of how genuine he looked when he pushed an alternate lynch mob to CMAR), but that I need to reread him. I ask Percy if he'd like to address my suspicions of him from the main thread in the QT. I say that I'm excited to see Raivann there, because I'd started typing up an analysis explaining why he shouldn't vig Richard, but the thread was locked before I could post it.
6) After noticing that I've been cross-posted, I (
Mina
) ask Raivann if he has actual reasons for suspecting me, or if he's just doing so because I was scum and he didn't catch on in the mini (and enjoy his paranoia). I post my huge--MONSTROUS--analysis with underlining and bullets, calculating the number of confirmed towns we'd get, suspects we'd eliminate, and scum we'd catch in all scenarios (Richard!town gets vigged, Richard!scum gets vigged, Richard!town is spared and Loras claims, Richard!scum is spared and Loras doesn't claim). There's no point in me paraphrasing it, but can I just say that I would have never wasted my time doing that had I been Raivann's scumbuddy?
7)
Raivann
says he suspects me both because of my ability as scum, and because my defence of Richard made him wary of me. He then asks me what I thought of LynchMePls' case against Richard, and if I was confident that LMP was town when I dismissed his case.
8) I (
Mina
) wonder out loud if Renly and Loras would ever be fakeclaims. I advise against nominating xvart to the kingsguard (sorry, xvart), because I found him much less protown than in the mini, say I disliked his behaviour concerning CMAR at the end of the day, and found his jumps aboard the Richard and Deer wagons sheepy. I say he's playing the kind of reasonable game without much passion or conviction that any decent player could pull off as scum. But I say I need to reread him. I tell Percy that's why I asked him about his townread of xvart, although I grant him he might just see eye-to-eye with xvart about dana.
9) I (
Mina
) write a huge post answering Raivann's questions in #7 and explaining the evolution of my thoughts on Richard and LynchMePls. (If someone thinks it would be useful at discerning my alignment, I can paraphrase it, but I won't bother now because both players are confirmed town.) I mention in it that I had a gut town read of Axelrod and disliked Cow's weakly reasoned FOS of him. At the end, I ask Raivann what made him so sure that Richard was scum, and which parts of LMP's case did he like and which parts dislike.
10)
Raivann
answers my questions. He discusses Richard, LMP, and CMAR, but since all have flipped or been confirmed, I don't think it's relevant.
11)
Percy
also geeks out at being invited into the Kingsguard, and says that he approves of his choices (especially Raivann
). Says that even if Raivann is scum, we can direct the kill choice and keep an eye on him, and if he's town, we get to help the vig.
This part is beautiful. He says that he understands why people have doubts about him, but that he's frustrated that three of the Kingsguard members (LMP, Drippereth, me) have all said there's something suspicious about Percy, but can't explain what. He says that he'll answer questions we have, but won't respond to vague suspicions. And he chides us because it might have swayed away a town protective role from him! He's town, and he knows that he'll be nightkilled eventually, but if he's killed tonight, we shouldn't discount the effect the three of us might have had on the doctor.
(I totally fell for this in the QT.)
Agrees that LMP is almost completely confirmed town. Disagrees with my analysis on why Loras should claim tomorrow.
He answers my in-thread question about his town read on xvart. Firstly, he says part of it was context--he was solidifying his Raise vote of xvart over Drippereth. He says to look at xvart's ISO early in the game. He says it's intelligent scumhunting, especially xvart's attack of danakillsu and probing of SSBF. (
Could be distancing from SSBF
.) Says that his townread has eroded since then because of xvart's absence.
He defends himself against my "softly supporting the popular wagons" and "planting seeds of doubt" comments. The only relevant bit (now that we know he's confirmed scum) was that he knows Unsight accused him of planting seeds of doubt, but that he has a reason for probing at Unsight; Percy finds it hard to read players like that who just pop up now and then with erudite observations, so accusing them of being scum gets them talking. (Based on this,
I don't think Unsight is a Greyjoy
. The way he talks about "probing for motivations" makes me think it isn't distancing. Like with Raivann vs. dana, this looks more like scumhunting for the other faction.)
He advises Raivann to shoot one of {danakillsu, SSBF, vezopiraka, CSL, Kinetic}. Considering he knew Raivann's kill was fake,
there is a high chance that one of the people on that list is his scumbuddy
(Caveat: since his targets were all group suspects, it's nothing conclusive). Says that four of them are better off vigged than alive, but that perhaps SSBF is better off keeping around for another day. (
I'd say this counter-intuitively makes SSBF a less likely Greyjoy. Would Percy bother to subtly defend a buddy when he knows the kill won't go through? But again, it's not conclusive either way.
)
12)
LynchMePls
talks about flavour analysis (the Umber flip told him the Starks were good guys), his Richard-CMAR-Axelrod case, and his disagreement with my "don't vig Richard and make Loras claim tomorrow" plan. It isn't really relevant, now that he and Richard are confirmed town. But he advocates a {danakillsu, SSBF, CSL, Kinetic} vig, then adds as an afterthought that vezo or Axelrod would also be good choices.
13)
Percy
suggests julienvonwolfe as the final Kingsguard and makes the softclaim. He then suggests we narrow the vig down to two players. He suggests dana for being "obvscum" or CSL for being "lurkerscum." I'm neutral on whether this was distancing from CSL, since he goes on to vote CSL the next day.
14)
LynchMePls
says we should narrow the vig down to four players.
15)
Hascow
agrees that 3-4 is a good number for vig targets. Says his vig choices are SSBF, Axelrod, and vezo. In response to my comment about his Axelrod FOS, he says that although he didn't expect everyone to agree with it, he didn't like Axelrod's play. He thought Axelrod didn't put enough effort into scumhunting and making cases, but he understands how I could have a gut town read on a suspect, since Cow's done that before. He tells Raivann (in response to a comment I left out about catching scum in the RVS) that there's nothing wrong with relying on RVS reads. He disagrees with LMP's Umber catch, saying we don't know for sure that the Starks aren't a scumgroup and we shouldn't count anyone out. He also supports Thor as an option for the Kingsguard. I remember this post gave me mixed vibes. I liked his reasoning for his Axelrod suspicions (although he'd FOSsed Axel for something else--his attacking Drippereth's playstyle without naming Dripp) and his Thor nomination, but got the feeling he was being vague and trying to appease. Also thought he might have been sheeping LMP by pushing an Axel vig.
{I'll leave out a few posts, since they're just LMP, Cow, and Percy discussing how many players should be on the vig list, vigging theory, and Vengeful games. We also all wonder why Drippereth hasn't checked in. Point of interest: Percy reread Thor and said he's good with him, as well as JVW.}
16) I (
Mina
) write a giant, rambling wall. I'll leave out some of my stream-of-consciousness observations but in it, I:
-compliment LMP on being in his second game and playing so well.
-wonder where are Drippereth and Raivann (who's stopped posting in the QT), and whatever happened to Locke Lamora.
-say that my top suspects are CSL and Kinetic, but speculate that CSL could be Loras (based on his reaction to Richard's claim).
-admit that I actually WAS trying to set up Percy for an eventual nightkill, because like I reasoned early on D1, we can't leave a scum double-voter alive in endgame...but that oh shit, Percy's defence post sounded really townish, what have I done...and my case was pretty much all just bad vibes, so feel free to post that defence in the main thread tomorrow and I'll answer. I was also afraid that I'd be killed on N1, so I wanted to get all my suspicions out before I died.
-say that after ISO-ing xvart, he looks more townish than I remembered, and that I'd be okay with him joining (but prefer jvw or Thor). Get paranoid that Thor's following of me and Percy onto Raivann and last-minute wagon of Budja when it was too late to work could be scummy, but say that the execution looks townish.
17) LMP decides to break the tie by inviting julienvonwolfe into the kingsguard.
Thread closed.
damn hippies.
), while Percy and Locke were hacked to pieces. It's possible (albeit unlikely) that one Greyjoy kills people by driving them to suicide. We'll worry about it during massclaim (in which case a doc gives us a confirmed not-Greyjoy or jailkeeper/RB gives us a potential Greyjoy).