Super Smash Bros. Mafia! GAME OVER!!

[diddin]

Kirby's wagon may be the largest outside of mine, but I don't see it growing any time soon.

[MafiaSSK]

Oy, I miss two days and it grows 9 pages. Time for some serious review.

[SGRaaize]

hmmmm....after reading this entire thread, which took me a billion years, I am going to do this..

UNVOTE: MPR

Also, Gollum, I do know better;-)

Add something to the discussion, you've been very quiet

FoS:

Gollum

[quote="Pikachu]HERP DERP, THAT'S RIGHT. Tt reads way more scumslip than noob, at least to me. [/quote]

Can't see why

Also the fact that nacho says he is town just makes me think he is scum more, because with the exception of him trying REALLY HARD to get me to give Fate that town vote his posts are unsettling.

Half of those posts were RVS, and the other half were him making great points against Diddin, what the heck

[AGM]

It cannot be manipulated in any shape or form that isn't the person with the Smash Ball. It goes through litterally everything.

Hmm...this makes it sound like town CAN guide the shot. That basically gives us two lynches per day, though, which seems a bit ridiculous...

Whatever. Even if this is true, I think FOR THE EARLY GAME we should just let the person shoot whomever they want. This way, scum and dumbtown can't interfere with the shot. We can play around with consensus shooting later when things become more tight.

you're giving him a FoS because he said he was kinda newbie in response to not knowing that the Bus Driver is a random role?
Derp

HERP DERP, THAT'S RIGHT. Tt reads way more scumslip than noob, at least to me.

Also the fact that nacho says he is town just makes me think he is scum more, because with the exception of him trying REALLY HARD to get me to give Fate that town vote his posts are unsettling.

ALSO SETH STOP SELF-VOTING. YOU AREN'T COOL. Change that vote to some scum. Unless you are scum, in which case go ahead and leave it there. Or unless it's a mod error, in which case mod fix pl0x.

@bolded - Or we could be giving the mafia an extra kill per day as well, sorry to be the debbie downer here, but are you 100% sure that the person everyday who gets the smash ball is pro-town? Also by using the smash ball we have a greater chancer in the EARLY game to accidently take out a fellow townie as there (probably - unless we have a bastard mod ) are a lot more townies than mafia.

If

anything

we as a town should decide who to target with the ability

early game

since we KNOW if will ALWAYS work.
If the person with the ball doesn't kill who we as a TOWN say to kill then it's an easy vote the next day for a lynch

That's my thoughts on the matter anyhow, anyone else see anything I may have overlooked?

Agreed
If the scum doesn't follow someone we all say it is, he gets obviously lynched, that would be the principle of the idea
Which means, if we do the second lynch for someone who is very scummy, and that guy denies lynching that guy, not only would we have a confirmation of the first scummer, we would also have the confirmation of the second scummer who just ignored us and vote lynched someone else (that would be probably town, just to add to the injury)

[AGM]

@tanstalas - NOOOO because there are SCUM in the game and they GET TO VOTE TOO. And they will NOT VOTE TO KILL SCUM. Also, there are probably lots of dumb townies who can mess up the vote as well. Whereas if we just give it to someone who is probtown and good at shooting gunz (which they better be 'cause we VOTED FOR THEM as obvtown, remember) then they can shoot scum without scum messing them up.

ALSO THE ABOVE POST WAS [AGM] TOO, SUCK IT NACHO.

The thing is... that may not always work, as you said, there are dumb newbies, and we can't keep town-voting the same guy
So, at a certain point, we'l have to go for the new guys
I really think Tanslata's idea is good

Also MPR still needs lynching.

So far he has voted two people for wagoning him for no reason (not a bad thing, kids these days think it is for some reason) and suggested possibly the worst SB strategy out there. Link this is irrelevent to this case, only important for fate being town. I am sad no one has figured it out yet as to why it makes fate town.

untown vote
townvote fate

This needs doing. Fate now appears insane, but able to kill idiot scum easily enough.

Its a good idea, it works as a second lynch, we'l just have to play smartly with it
I'm willing to let Fate do this one alone, but I think next day we should start using the idea

@Furry: Is the MPR's strategy with the smashballs the same one as tastalas's?

Basically.

Any "everyone decides how it gets used" thing is a bad idea. You just hold people responsable for their kill and we will be fine.

WHY?
Why do you want everyone responsible? If we use this as a second vote-lynch, we will be able to bust Mafia easily, its fair worse if they can just kill random townies and say "Oops, sorry guys, he was really acting scummy in "[Random Number]" and "[Random Number]""
If we just go with a second vote-lynch, we will be able to bust scum, not only that, but it might lead us to finding 2 scummies instead of 1 in one night, and if you add this to having lynched 1 scummy before, its a total of 3 Scummies killed because of one smash ball

There are NO RVS REASONS, that's the point, its random, that's the fun

Meh, agreeing to disagree. Imo, the fun is in making up some weird reason for voting for someone and then watching their reaction to the vote.

Regardless, many guys use it in the sense I said rather than yours

I'm against the secondary lynch for reasons others have stated.

Also:
1. The town is compromised of scum, whereas if you "King" town (me) you are guaranteed unbiased decision making.
2. Trying to discuss two lynches at once is very difficult and not optimal because the game is designed that you can only make one at a time for a reason: To be able to search for connections only after the first flip, which can't be done as it will be night.
3. I'm Fate and I like killing scum with my own hands.

Soon, our "king" will be powerless
What then?

Honestly right now the wagon on me is terrible, half the people on it haven't even contributed original reasoning and just sheeped. People like VEZOKENER are likely scum who are trying to blend in by voting the leading wagon.

I self-townvoted as a gambit to end RVS early and generate discussion.

It's not harming anybody now and I'm too lazy to un-townvote so I'll keep it where it is.

it is really scummy. i don't believe in any RVS-ending gambit. and after re-reading the original post, i really don't think it was an intentional gambit, so diddin is lying and should be lynched.

Pure WIFOM and what about it makes you think i'm lying?

@Diddin: I had to read through a lot of pages and reading quickly, I didn't see what was different between the 2 plays, after it was explained however I understood. Fate has a high expectation to meet and asked for the immunity and kill. You proposed a pointless strategy of everyone only self voting and now you claim it was just to make things take a serious turn. But if you hadn't been called out for it would you have continued, under the guise that you're just a cautious townie?

Also pointless WIFOM and never even explains why it's scummy. He sounds like I planned on having everyone self-townvote forever, which I wasn't.

Y'know, I just read diddin's iso, and I don't buy it.

unlynch vote: Mongoose
lynch vote: diddin

Still don't like Mongoose, though.

Wagonvote with no reasoning given.

Let's lynch diddin then.

unvote
Vote diddin

Bandwagon vote for no reason.

So my wagon is pretty much screaming scumdriven right now over WFOM and RVS gambits.

Your strategy was awful, you then proceeded to mask it as if you were just misunderstood and then you proceeded to mask it as just a way to advance from RVS
No, just no

[FRIEND]

WHAT ABOUT FATE'S VOTE

While it's true I haven't commented too much on other wagons, I've been defending myself so much I haven't really had time. I don't know why but I haven't really gotten into this game too much. I can say I like Pikachu's case on Kirby a lot and he's my current choice for lynch.

also,

Town-Vote: Furry

. IMO he's been more town than Fate but I wouldn't be against fate getting a smash ball.

Nacho's vote was before I said that the apparent contradiction with Kirby was due to me taking it out of context. Ever since that he hasn't said a word about me, so it's hard to tell what he thinks now.

Ladies and Gentleman, a clear desperate statement that will hopefully lead to a save from his lynch
Not gonna happen

Kirby's wagon may be the largest outside of mine, but I don't see it growing any time soon.

Nice bullshit, you're clearly desperate

Hey, why don't you claim your character, Diddin? You're clearly gonna get vote lynched here, you don't even need to say your ability (or if you have one), just tell me your character, please

Last but not least:

I was using it to generate discussion and get out of RVS, i didn't seriously think everyone would actually self-townvote. Now that we're clearly out of RVS I believe I can

un-townvote

.

I also don't understand Kocc42's total 180 from not thinking what I'm doing is any different than what fate's doing to BOTH townvoting fate and voting me in the same post without even giving a reason I'm scummy, just that I'm wrong, and being wrong != being scummy.

This is such a filthy lie it annoys me

Vote Lynch: Diddin

[diddin]

Seriously, what is the scum-motive to have everybody self-townvote at the beginning of RVS? Obviously somebody's gonna get the smashball, I don't see why it's scummy to recommend people to self-townvote to generate discussion.

I'm not claiming unless I'm at at least L-2 or there's a large amount of people who want me to.

[Kocc42]

Seriously, what is the scum-motive to have everybody self-townvote at the beginning of RVS? Obviously somebody's gonna get the smashball, I don't see why it's scummy to recommend people to self-townvote to generate discussion.

I'm not claiming unless I'm at at least L-2 or there's a large amount of people who want me to.

Self voting doesn't generate discussion, to generate discussion one should town vote for the people they have town reads on. (or at least make a joke vote and look at reactions). Obviously everyone would have incentive to get the smashball and every townie knows themself to be town, but that gets us nowhere. Selfvoting for the most part is pointless and distracting.

[SGRaaize]

Also, even if you legit believed that, you were CLEARLY not "waiting for someone to vote" or "trying to advance the RVS stage"

[tanstalas]

if anyone is a rider, you should claim now.

tanstalas is not scum. the bus driver things is a null tell, town tell if there is indeed a bus driver. his vibe is good, though i don't agree with the "second lynch" thing.

i still don't know why MPR is scum, but he is a good policy lynch target.

however, diddin is still the lynch.

My reasoning for the "second lynch" thing is that I do not know any of you from a hole in the wall (and equally vice-versa) as this is the first game I have played with any of you. You guys seem to have played with each other before and probably have a better read on others depending on how they post hence have a better idea who is pro-town and who to give the ball to.

I will be a good little sheep and go with the majority of the town :Baaa:

[tanstalas]

EBWOP - My sheep comment was for who to give the SB to, I will scumhunt on my own as much as anyone else, I will just refer to the town consensus of who to give the ball to since you guys will probably have better reads on the players for reasons stated in my last post

[Switz]

Switz votes me for the apparent contradiction that I explained to be out of context, hasn't commented on me since, as well as this odd "people FoSing and HoSing him with out voting" thing I don't understand.

Okay, yeah, I could have popped in and said "I agree, that selfvoting gambit is pretty distracting and anti-town" or "hey, stop trying to make the wagon look bad instead of actually defending yourself." But everyone else was doing such a good job of it I figured my posts would be redundant and look sheep-ish.

I also don't like you just following along with the Pikachu case on Kirby after admitting the reason you'd originally voted for him was a mistake. I don't think anyone else mentioned that.

[Kirbyoshi]

diddin's play is riddled with contradictions. I agree with Fate that mongoose is looking more like Final Smash-worthy instead of lynch-worthy.

Un-Lynch Vote mongoose, Lynch Vote: diddin

Also, to everyone who supports the "second lynch" idea: no one's trying to stop anyone else from saying who they want vigged. For example, from what I wrote above, my pick for SB-kill is mongoose. Not that I'm going to try to lynch Fate (or whoever gets the smash ball) toMorrow if mongoose isn't dead, I just think he's the best choice, and he is who I would use the SB on if I had it. Gives the TV winner a little more freedom, while other players still give input.

[Chronopie]

Diddin's defensive posts are terribad.

Rather than just pointing out that you are being bandwagoned, which is blatantly obv. Try finding the reasons of the people that started the wagon, and actually refute the points.

For example, if person A says: Lynch X because 1, 2, 3.
Person B: I agree, vote X.

You can comment that B is BWing, but would be better served by Going: A, you are wrong because 4,5,6.

un-lynch vote, lynch vote: Diddn

[tanstalas]

Just finished ISO on xVezokenerx

ISO0 - Hi all
ISO1 - Tells bunnylover that MPR is always scum (joking... I think)
ISO2 - My link isn't broken
ISO3 - Wants the SB - will put it to "good use"
ISO4 - Asks why there is a kirby lynchwagon - reiterates that he needs the SB and town votes himself
ISO5 - Reiterates for the third time that town needs to give him the ball
ISO6 - Complains that noone told him game started, wants a TL;DR version
ISO7 - Hops on diddin BW, no reason given
ISO8 - Wants a mass name claim, also parroting Socio and pika

Lynch Vote: Unvote
Lynch Vote: xVEZOKENERx

Maybe this is the way he(they) usually play, I don't know, just seems very scummy to me, 33% of his posts he is telling people to town vote for him (and he town-voted for himself) hopped on a BW with no reason given, and parrot's socio and pika and wants a mass name claim on day 1 when noone is even close to the hammer.

[Kirbyoshi]

The name claim idea is...strange. Vez/Reck has just moved into my #3 suspicion.

[Nachomamma8]

Diddin, I'm not voting you because you did the self townvote thing in the beginning. I'm voting for you for TWO main reasons. Ready? Let's go!

1) You found a contridiction in Kirby's posts that didn't exist. You then proceeded to acknowledge your case was wrong, then immediately piggyback off Pikachu's case in order to keep your vote on Kirby.

2) Your response to people hatin' on your townvote idea. First, you said "I'm just keeping it on there until I find a good town read/someone who i want to have the smash ball". Then, you were like "IT WAS ALL A GAMBIT!! I'm just too lazy to change it". Then, you were like "Oh, we're out of RVS, so I'll untownvote now.". Each reason is fine and all on its own, but when merged together in that ugly cesspool of scumminess, then it's not fine at all :/

So yeah, don't try to strawman the case against you and say "why is everyone voting me for self-townvoting?"

[Kocc42]

Diddin, I think you're at L-3. you should claim.

[diddin]

Yeah I think it's time for me to claim.

I'm

Luigi, Vanilla Townie

I'm Mario's less liked little brother. I may be able to jump higher than him, but I have no powers other than the power to lynch.

Chronopie, I've done what i can, but I can't really say "A is wrong because of X, Y, Z" when A's case on me is "you lied about the self-townvoting thing." All that leads two is the mafia equivalent of two kids shouting at each other "NO YOU DIDN'T" "YES YOU DID" over and over again.

[Fate]

Lynch all 'nilla claims.

[Furry]

Also MPR still needs lynching.

So far he has voted two people for wagoning him for no reason (not a bad thing, kids these days think it is for some reason) and suggested possibly the worst SB strategy out there. Link this is irrelevent to this case, only important for fate being town. I am sad no one has figured it out yet as to why it makes fate town.

untown vote
townvote fate

This needs doing. Fate now appears insane, but able to kill idiot scum easily enough.

Its a good idea, it works as a second lynch, we'l just have to play smartly with it
I'm willing to let Fate do this one alone, but I think next day we should start using the idea

No. We do not ever use the idea. The ONLY case where it may be applicable is a very late game scenario where the ball is forceably given to someone who is not considered town. Apart from that, no you do not direct someone. Same foolish train of thought as "derp vig should kill themselves to prove not SK derp derp". Bad plans. Also what happens if you have the ball, everyone wants you to kill someone who you are convinced is town. Are you going to do it? Do not think most people would. If someone did I would be happy enough lynching them for killing someone they thought was town.

@Furry: Is the MPR's strategy with the smashballs the same one as tastalas's?

Basically.

Any "everyone decides how it gets used" thing is a bad idea. You just hold people responsable for their kill and we will be fine.

WHY?
Why do you want everyone responsible? If we use this as a second vote-lynch, we will be able to bust Mafia easily, its fair worse if they can just kill random townies and say "Oops, sorry guys, he was really acting scummy in "[Random Number]" and "[Random Number]""
If we just go with a second vote-lynch, we will be able to bust scum, not only that, but it might lead us to finding 2 scummies instead of 1 in one night, and if you add this to having lynched 1 scummy before, its a total of 3 Scummies killed because of one smash ball

You do not understand what I mean apparently. Everyone has moves that make sense for what they have been thinking and what role they are. It is descrepancies between what people would normally do and what they actually do that provide some of the greatest tells in this game. The actions that do not line up with what they had been saying, or with what they claim. If someone steps over a line to make a kill on town, they are probably scum. These types of kills are likely traceable too if you know what to look for.

Also still, stupid stupid idea. I would rather trust the person who we are saying is town to make a vig kill then trust most of this game (no offense most of this game, but over half of you are either scummy or I do not trust the decision making ability of). If we put the power in the hands of everyone, I can 100% guarentee you that scum will have a hand in manipulating who gets killed, I can 100% guarentee you that we are more likely to vig town. The other part is the flip. You can not seriously tell me that after a lynch your suspects have never changed. Which means we would need to make seperate targets for if the person was town, scum, SK, cult, survivor, Jester, etc etc etc. Distracting aint it? This would be a poor use of time, so we are not going to do it.

I can keep writing essays on why everyone controling the kill is a bad idea, but I really do not want to. This is just going to take putting trust in (very funnily) the alts that are saying this is a poor plan. We are wise beyond our join dates, and know what we are talking about. Also the few people here that I think know who I am, hush now.

[Fate]

You could've just referenced my post and been done with it Furry. You don't get any town points because I already said all of that first.

Comment on diddin's claim is missing as well.

[tanstalas]

Vezokener is prob town.

Mod already said scum have fakeclaims in the sign up thread. Read better people.

Saw the claim of Luigi and remembered this post, so I checked the signup thread. The signup thread does not say that the scum HAVE fakeclaims, it says "the player list IS long, but we tried to incoroporate most of the cahrachters, but enough to leave room for fakeclaims."

That to me does not sound like scum were given fakeclaim roles, but only that they can try and say they are someone and pray to god that noone else has a counterclaim...

Can anyone CC diddin? If so I will switch my vote right now.

I am leaning towards believing him, as a claim of luigi would be pretty bold indeed, I think if I was going to fakeclaim I would have picked someone that was not so well known.

Or does any townie have a SSB character that would be considered a "bad guy" and want to come forward? (probably not just asking) As that would confirm that "bad guy" roles are not necessarily bad in the game and "good guy" roles like Luigi are not necessarily good in the game

[diddin]

forgot something

[Fate]

Tanstalas, I've been meaning to say this on behalf all the town but:

SHUT UP. Seriously, you're play has been nothing but set-up speculation. PErsonally I think you're just a goddamned newbie in waaay over his head in a theme game and not scum, but you're really distracting the town when all you say is:

MASON+COPOZ?
SCUM BUSDRIVER?
NOSCUM FAKECLAIMS?
BADGUYTOWN COME FORWARD?

Etc.

Please stop. Just stop posting ANYTHING to do with the set-up or possible roles or ANYTHING.

Focus on day play.

[Fate]

forgot something

^Lynch diddin now. Switch your votes over to him and get him lynched.

You should know why.

Yeah,
you.

[frayed]

Vezokener is prob town.

Mod already said scum have fakeclaims in the sign up thread. Read better people.

Saw the claim of Luigi and remembered this post, so I checked the signup thread. The signup thread does not say that the scum HAVE fakeclaims, it says "the player list IS long, but we tried to incoroporate most of the cahrachters, but enough to leave room for fakeclaims."

That to me does not sound like scum were given fakeclaim roles, but only that they can try and say they are someone and pray to god that noone else has a counterclaim...

It's pretty fucking obvious from that sentence the scum have safeclaims I'd say. I mean the thing you quoted pretty much states it flat out.

Claim does nothing. Lynch lynch lynch and all that.

forgot something

^Lynch diddin now. Switch your votes over to him and get him lynched.

You should know why.

Yeah,
you.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AMEN. You dun goofed.

[manho]

why isn't diddin lynched yet. vanilla town claim won't help you, scum. try being more creative next time.