Super Smash Bros. Mafia! GAME OVER!!

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

Townvote: Furry

Hes's actually obvtown, unlike Nacho.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

WHOA AGM WE'RE ON AT THE SAME TIME

I agree with your townvote.

Fate, being on your townwagon is not a town-tell, contrary to what you're thinking.

Furry is definitely town.

For the lynch vote, we'll have to talk about it.

[Kocc42]

Seems obvious to me.

Town Vote: Furry

@Kirby: You just asked us to tell you whether something was scummy or not. You want to know what others think so you can agree with them instead of just forming your own opinion.

Vote: Kirbyoshi

[Kirbyoshi]

On the contrary Kocc. The reason I did not disclose my opinion was that I did not want anyone copycatting ME. You were very much under the radar D1. Why should we not lynch you?

[Bunnylover]

Guys I think our logic on who to give the town votes to is not going to work.
True we are giving it to people we honestly believe are townie, but wouldn't it be better to give it to them later?
First day we gave it to Fate who almost everyone said was townie. He had a reason to get it, in previous game he has shown to be a great scumhunter and the mafia would want to take him out early on in the game.
Ok, but did we need to give him the smash ball? Couldn't we have someone protect him, someone with a doctor role if their is one?
Since we gave Fate the smash ball, he had to choice between 23 people (Fate, Furry, and the two who died don't count since we are most certain they are townies).
He had most likely a 3/23 chance of hitting a mafia or maybe up to 5/23 (not sure how many mafia their are in this large set-up).
Even a great scumhunter wouldn't have been able to guarentee a hit on a mafia so we pretty much wasted Fate shot.
It would have been wiser to protect him, wait till the number decrese or the our doctor died to give him the ball.
Overall I believe we should rethink who we should give our town vote too.
But you all are more then welecome to disagree with me.

[MehPlusRawr]

Bunny- Who SHOULD we have given it to!? Of course we won't hit scum every time. And there are DEFINITELY not only 3 scum, and probably not 5. You're saying "Fate's a good scumhunter but we shouldn't have given him a vig because he might not have killed scum." IIRC, you voted him as town too.

Can we lynch this dude?

[Bunnylover]

Bunny- Who SHOULD we have given it to!? Of course we won't hit scum every time. And there are DEFINITELY not only 3 scum, and probably not 5. You're saying "Fate's a good scumhunter but we shouldn't have given him a vig because he might not have killed scum." IIRC, you voted him as town too.

Can we lynch this dude?

I'm more then sure I had my vote on Pikachu :<
And I don't know who to give it to.
If I known I would have posted it, but its a theory which theories can be wrong.
And what you have in quotes is pretty much makes my whole thing dumb.
I said we should have waited to give Fate the smash ball, since he would have a much bigger chance of hitting scum if we did due to the ratio of scum to mafia and the fact people would have built more suspicion up.
Fate went in to the night with very little to work on, which in result made us lose a townie.
Its a theory, you don't have to agree with it, but I do love the fact that because I had a different way of doing something, that must mean I'm mafia.

[MehPlusRawr]

WHO SHOULD WE HAVE GIVEN THE SMASH BALL TO? ANSWER THE QUESTION.

[Bunnylover]

WHO SHOULD WE HAVE GIVEN THE SMASH BALL TO? ANSWER THE QUESTION.

I don't know, I'm pretty sure I stated that in my other post :<.
We probably should have gotten some kind of discussion going to decide.

[MehPlusRawr]

Oh. You answered that. I missed it.


Our discussion was "Fate is pro-town, he has a good shot at killing scum, and it's a free protect for him as well."

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Can we lynch this dude?

But you have no vote thrown down. Why haven't you done that if you want to lynch him so bad?

I'm pretty sure Kirbyoshi is town because of diddin's flip.

I'm finding Zaziesurio to be quite scummy right now, actually.

A mason with a cop in it? Jesus Christ, you really like going with improbable setups, don't you?

I've been cop neighboured with mafia traitor before (Avatar Mafia, for those interested in looking it up). For some reason the mod didn't predict that my neighbour would of course be the first person I scanned.

/off topic

I'm down with a diddin lynch, but I want to hear more from this Mongoose fellow.

Y'know, I just read diddin's iso, and I don't buy it.

unlynch vote: Mongoose
lynch vote: diddin

Still don't like Mongoose, though.

This looks to me exactly like the process of bussing would look - "I'm 'okay' with my buddy's lynch, but I don't support it...Oh wait, more votes? Then I'm on the wagon!" Then they (it?) goes on to call diddin obvscum even though they hardly made a case against him, just saying "I don't buy his ISO" doesn't fly.

Lynch Vote: Zaziesurio

[Kirbyoshi]

Bunny, can you at least give a list of some people you would rather have given the SB to rather than Fate?

[Kirbyoshi]

Pikachu, the case on Vez/Reck is almost identical to the one on Zaziesurio, maybe even a little stronger. Why are you LV-ing Z/E instead of V/R?

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

@Kirbyoshi: Cause Zaziehydra did it in a more subtle way. It seemed like they were trying to cover it up while vezo was being his usual VI self.

[Kirbyoshi]

Are you sure it was Vez and not Reck? Or do they play the same way (Never played with either of them before)? Just asking for clarification.

[MehPlusRawr]

Can we lynch this dude?

But you have no vote thrown down. Why haven't you done that if you want to lynch him so bad?

I consistently ask questions like this in every game I play.

[Kocc42]

On the contrary Kocc. The reason I did not disclose my opinion was that I did not want anyone copycatting ME. You were very much under the radar D1. Why should we not lynch you?

That's a terrible reason to withold your opinion and it's very easy for scum to use that excuse. I'm not buying it.

I don't think Kirby's interaction with Diddin clears him. that could have easily been distancing/bussing.

[Furry]

Well because kirby is being all complainy about it...

Couple questions for everyone:
Was "Traitor" part of diddin's role, or part of his alignment?
What/who killed Socio?
Was frayed the wrong choice for the Smash Ball? (I mean, he was town, so duh, but do you think it was scummy of Fate?)

I asked mod after his flip, he is a member of "Traitor Mafia" as in "Mafia group A". This is a WIFOMy question if you are going to base tells off it, so that one is out for being useful.

Given that SP looked probably town, I would guess we have a setup that I have seen before where scum A killed at the end of the day and scum B killed at night. This looks much more like a scum/vengekill then a vig kill. Still a WIFOMy question though.

This is mega WIFOMy. It was not "scummy" for fate to kill someone fate obviously (if you read the game D1) saw as scummy. This reads like you are trying to drum up suspicion for fate.

Who the hell is Stels? He's definitely not where I'd put my town vote today.

The person who seemed to be arguing that Luigi was not who diddin was, and that scum have no fakeclaims in a sense that he thought all anti-town characters were set as scum. This makes him unlikely to be scum because this is super unlikely to have occured, especially with multiple mods.

Townvote: Nacho

Still obvtown for being early on my town wagon and pushing for it with clear reasoning. Now for the lynch vote I'm thinking:

nacho probably does not have much use in this game (no offense) from what ive seen. He is not as much up on the scummy level as I had him last night, but I am not remotely comfortable giving him a vig kill today.

On the contrary Kocc. The reason I did not disclose my opinion was that I did not want anyone copycatting ME. You were very much under the radar D1. Why should we not lynch you?

Remember a long time ago when I brought up that there were a lot of people I thought were town but hard to trust? Kocc was one of them and is probably town. Your reasoning here is bad, as is your logic. As soon as one person answers the questions, everyone can "copycat" them. Plus we have the fact that a majority of your questions were WIFOM and useless past speculation. High noise, low signal. Etc.

I'm pretty sure Kirbyoshi is town because of diddin's flip.

I'm finding Zaziesurio to be quite scummy right now, actually.

I am pretty sure that there are multiple groups in this game for a few factors the flip gave us (blue flip + 'traitor' faction). Coupled with death of two townie looking people, could be a SK, but I would not be shocked by dual factions in this game, large ones tend to have them and mod-WIFOM points to it.

Agree with you on ZS though being a little scummy.

Pikachu, the case on Vez/Reck is almost identical to the one on Zaziesurio, maybe even a little stronger. Why are you LV-ing Z/E instead of V/R?

All the more reason to vote kirby.

I would be happy giving the SB to: Kocc, Stelz, Pikachu (in that order)
I would be happy lynching: Kirby, MPR and Chrono.

untown vote
Town vote Kocc

[tanstalas]

Town Vote: Furry

He has answered and questioned most of my posts in a helpful way, if he were scum I doubt he would have been as helpful.

Lynch Vote: xVEZOKENERx

As a hydra, having only 10 posts for the entire game just seems... very low to me. Also all his posts really contain no information. Like I said back on post #436 I do not know if this is how those two playing the hydra usually play, if so please let me know, however his lack of posts and lack of "meat" to them seems very suspicious to me. His vote on diddin may have been a case of bussing, he also did not give his own reason for voting diddin.

[The Master Hand]

Stels has announced V/LA until August 10th, 2010.

Votecounts later tonight.

[Switz]

Furry's setup speculation seems valid to me. I initially thought "Traitor" was referring to the role, but luckily I waited to post today until that was cleared up so I don't look like an idiot.

That and his general demeanor/gameplay are enough to justify a

Town Vote: Furry

for now. In the back of my mind there's the chance he's on one of the scumteams and is trying to mess with us/get us to let him crosskill, but I think the chance of that is pretty low for now. His suspicions have been pretty consistent too, so we can see who might be dying ahead of time.

Now, in the matter of Zaziesurio; I'm agreeing with Pikachu that they might be a good lynch for today. In addition to the points they made ("supporting" the diddin wagon and only jumping on when there were more votes) there's his sparking of the Seth wagon on plausible but weak grounds,

@Gollum: It's Sméagol, not Smeagal. GET IT RIGHT :<

un-Lynch Vote: Fate

Interesting factoid: Seth just voted on a wagon with no explanation whatsoever right before going v/LA for three days. Scummy? I THINK SO.

Lynch Vote: Seth

which he later backtracks on to jump on the Mongoose wagon,

On second thought, I'l go with a

HoS: Moongoose

, considering he's been warned about his wagoning, he said he was sorry and that he just voted because he thought everyone else was right, and then

he did it again

QFT.

TBQH, my seth vote was more to see who would jump on the bandwagon than anything. Mongoose came out looking the worst for his response to my vote, for reasons SGRaaize beat me to (lol @ people voting someone for the same thing they just did <_<). Gandalf is neutral, MPR comes across as overeager town imo. Also relatively certain SGRaaize is town (though not quite certain enough to feel willing to dole out a townvote yet).

Unlynchvote; Lynch Vote: Mongoose

Tanstalas gives me bad vibes, too. I'm just not sure I buy his apparent confidence that there's a anti-town bus driver stemming from being new rather than from being

aware

that there's an anti-town bus driver. However, Furry's most recent post is probably on the mark and there are certainly bigger fish to fry right now.

FOS: Tanstalas

@Furry: Why is MPR a good lynch?

and also implicitly defends MPR throughout, as seen in the above (although I'll concede this is a weaker point that would rely on MPR flipping scum).

Thus:

Lynch Vote: Zaziesurio

Other thoughts:

Chrono would be another good candidate for today, both for Fate's reasons and for his general non-helpfulness and non-posting.

@Pikachu: Why does diddin's flip make Kirby town? Especially in the wake of what appears to be two distinct scumteams.

[The Master Hand]

Lynch count!

mothrax (0):
Pikachu (0):
kocc42 (0):
manho (0):
MehPlusRawr (0):
gandalf5166 (0):
I doubt it (0):
Fate (0):
Switz (0):
Stels (0):
Kirbyoshi (2): Furry, Kocc42
Nachomamma8 (0):
xVEZOKNERx (3): Framm 18, Kirbyoshi, tanstalas
Zaziesurio (2): Pikachu, Switz
mongoose (0):
Bunnylover (0):
Framm 18 (0):
Furry (0):
Chronopie (1): Fate
tanstalas (0):
Gollum (0):
MafiaSSK (0):
PaltryExcuse (0):
Brian Hollywood (0):

With 24 alive it's 13 to lynch!

Town votes!

mothrax (0):
Pikachu (0):
kocc42 (1): Furry
manho (0):
MehPlusRawr (0):
gandalf5166 (0):
I doubt it (0):
Switz (0):
Stels (0):
Kirbyoshi (0):
Nachomamma8 (2): Kirbyoshi, Nachomamma8
xVEZOKNERx (0):
Zaziesurio (0):
mongoose (0):
Bunnylover (0):
Framm 18 (0):
Furry (4): Pikachu, Kocc42 tanstalas, Switz
Chronopie (0):
tanstalas (0):
Gollum (0):
MafiaSSK (0):
PaltryExcuse (0):
Brian Hollywood (0):

The person with the most Town Votes by the end of today will receive the Smash Ball.
Deadline is August 30th, 2010 at 12:20 PM CST. Majority will not automatically result in the person gaining the Smash Ball, thought.
Fate may no longer compete for the Smash Ball.
Stels is V/LA until August 10th, 2010

[Chronopie]

Now here's what bugs me. "Traitor Mafia" + Blue Flip, would suggest two scum teams.

But we had one Smash Vig Kill + One kill. Supposing two Scum Teams + Smash Vig + possible SK, we should have 3-4 kills per night. We had two. So we either have doc(s), Jailkeeper(s), BPT(s), or NKImm SK/GF(s). (Also, The smash vig kill ignores all Protects/NKImm abilities, I asked)

It's possible that our Dead JK prevented an NK last night, but we can't ask them. :/

Town Vote: Furry

Holding off on L-V for now.

Semi V/LA until home internet restored (shouldn't be more than 1-2 days)

(Can still post when at Uni)

[Fate]

Also, Furry and Fate: Why did you not answer my questions?

I didn't think your questions really applied to me. I mean hell first of all it was obvious that Traitor was the label for Mafia if you're any good at english, second it was obviously a scum-daykiller that hit Socio because I sure as hell wouldn't have shot him as town, THIRD of course it wasn't scummy of me to shoot who I thought was scum. You have a problem with the reasons I gave to have shot Frayed? Say them.

That said I don't think Diddin's vote on you was a bus, so you're still pretty clear in my mind.

Also I'm debating whether to join the Furry town wagon or not. Sure he's been "pro-town" but a few people I don't particularly like have called him obvtown.

And I know for

sure

that nacho's town.

If you know what I mean.

In a recent game he was the only one the whole game to ever call me out as scum. I ended up winning D6 after both buddies were killed D1n D2. Suffice to say I trust his reads almost as much as my own.

[Fate]

Now here's what bugs me. "Traitor Mafia" + Blue Flip, would suggest two scum teams.

But we had one Smash Vig Kill + One kill. Supposing two Scum Teams + Smash Vig + possible SK, we should have 3-4 kills per night. We had two. So we either have doc(s), Jailkeeper(s), BPT(s), or NKImm SK/GF(s). (Also, The smash vig kill ignores all Protects/NKImm abilities, I asked)

It's possible that our Dead JK prevented an NK last night, but we can't ask them. :/

Town Vote: Furry

Holding off on L-V for now.

Semi V/LA until home internet restored (shouldn't be more than 1-2 days)

(Can still post when at Uni)

This guy TVing Furry isn't doing any favors.

"OH HAI GUYS ONLY ONE KILL+SMASZH? LEMME SPECULATEEEEEEEE"

I regret not shooting him. I always give him the benefit of the doubt and he always ends up being a detriment to town.

We'll see if Tanstalas has smartened up or if we have two morons for vig fodder.