Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[ReaperCharlie]

Furc and RC should both join the "Shut Up and Vote in a Bloc" group.

Oh, so my 14 posts (out of 18 pages) qualifies me for the same category as Furcolow, clocking in at a whopping 71 posts?

Good to know.

So I was thinking, if there was N0 recruiting, is it too WIFOM-y to suggest that scum would recruit a better/more well-known player like Yos2 or LG or Prozac?

WIFOM.

Yes, but this WIFOMsandwich isn't actually as bad as it sounds. In fact, despite the WIFOM in it, it's actually a pretty sound assumption for a number of reasons. I present to the court Defense Exhibit "G"...

In Wisborg Asylum, SpyreX and Merkabah (Amished/VP Baltar hydra) were recruited Night 1. That doesn't sound like a shabby choice to me. In my past games, I've often seen recruiting of the 'best' or 'strongest' players in the game as a common night 1 tactic, and though it's WIFOM, it's still an awesome idea, for multiple reasons:

-They're less likely to say something to get themselves lynched.
-They're much more likely to be able to weasel out of lynch wagons.
-Having them on your side to help hunt down the other scum is WIN.

And there are many more reasons.

That ends my little spiel on game theory; eventually I might actually re-read the topic (darn you guys for making it grow so fast!) and get back with something actually USEFUL.

Maybe.

Don't count on it.

[ReaperCharlie]

Thanks TheLonging.

RC is town partly because of meta, partly because he doesn't seem to care. I get RC, if you know what I mean. After an epiphany in an [On-Going Game] I understand him much better. This whole lurking and not actively pursuing some sort of agenda is a towntell. While he isn't as useful as I'd like him to be, he's town.

Go ahead, think it. Think that you know me.

And just when you feel safe, I'll kick the chair out from under your feet and the rope will close around your neck.

[Andrius]

Oh, so my 14 posts (out of 18 pages) qualifies me for the same category as Furcolow, clocking in at a whopping 71 posts?

Good to know.

You've been no more useful than he.

Ok, I agree with the WIFOM, but I'm not about to advocate the lynchings of Yosarin2, Gurgi, Faraday, etc. just because they're good players, whatnot.

RC, watch your back. I told you that I'd come into our next game together with a vengeance.

[vezokpiraka]

Let's lynch someone .
I don't like thread explosions.

[Yosarian2]

Catch up, continued:

I hate them too usually but I felt that shitty of a case required it.

NO CASE EVER RQUIRES QUOTE STRIPES.

I realize the irony in respond to this post using "quote stripes", whatever the hell that means, but I dislike the way animorph decided to comment on the way friend is formating his posts (especially when it's perfectly reasonable to defend yourself by quoting the attacks on you, one by one, and then shooting them down) instead of actually responding to the context of the debate.

NO

CASE

EVER

RQUIRES

QUOTE

STRIPES.

ONLY SCUM SHOULD WANT TO USE BULLSHIT COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE WAY POSTS ARE FORMATTED TO AVOID SAYING ANYTHING RELEVANT.

Now, can we please stop bitching about "quote stripes", and play the game?

Anyways Prozac you have no response to the whole "absolutes" business me and Faraday called you out on I see

...what? Prozac just spent several posts arguing why he thought it was a scum tell, and he made sense to me. You could disagree with those if you want, I don't really think it's a strong scumtell myself, but why would you claim he "has no response"?

Fos:friend

Porozac, I honestly will not read your posts if you do that quote stripes bullshit. It makes me want to have a seizure.

VOTE: Furcolow

SCUM LYNCH ALL SYSTEMS GO!!!!!!!!!

i'm going to heavily dissect this post. Mixes "prozac" with "porochaz" forming "porozac" which is indicative of being a scumbuddy to me. He is trying to be friendly, but is also trying to be formal, as he is getting onto him over immature reasons. His aggressiveness could be townie, or it could be scum trying to act like a townie. I'm leaning towards the latter considering this post was directed towards porochaz, but ends up in voting me which is the primary bandwagon. My bandwagon has been dead for multiple pages, why try to bring it back now?

I'll tell you why. Scum. This is a scum-driven attempt to re-bandwagon me because I have been mixing up their radar on my claiming of both townie and a power role. They are confused whether or not to kill me, so why not get their weakest player, Gandalf, to try and get the wagon rolling again?

I'm kind of surprised to hear myself saying this, but I agree with Furcolow here. This post by gandalf is scummy as hell. Well, not the "prozac/porochaz" thing, but the way he echos other people's scummy complaints about "quote stripes" is scummy, the way he comes up with an excuse to not read someone's posts is scummy, and the way he says absolutly nothing relevent about anyone in the game, using only a "I don't like your posts formatting style" bullshit line but dosn't comment on anyone's alignment at all, and then votes for no reason is really scummy.

FOS:Gandalf

Four posts does not a scum read make.

And that's kind of a bizzare defense for you to make on gandalf, animoph. You can get a "scum read" on someone off of one post, easily; do you really think that you can only reasonably suspect someone after they've made 5 or more posts or something?

I really don't like this post, and if gandalf is scum, I'm going to want to take a closer look at amiorph next.

Ugh. Post 248, Furcolow claims vanilla townie, again, even though he's again at only lynch -6. Man do I want to lynch this guy.

gandalf, you still have failed to make an actual case on anyone (and yes I know I haven't either).

I only just popped in, dude. And I dislike wall o text cases. Save those for the newbie games. Seriously, I can't imagine why anyone would NOT vote for FC.

Frankly, at this point, the one thing that's making me hesitate from voting furcolow once I finish my read-though is that I'm trying to decide if you look even scummer then he does.

Can you explain why you think furcolow is scum?

you're still scum gandalf, so shut up

I KNOZ. OH SHIT. DID I JUST SAY THAT?

For the record, I've seen scum make this kind of "I'm scum hahaha neah just kidding" post more often then I've seen town do it. They usually think they're being clever in the process.

Like I said earlier zwet is likely scum anyways so I'm not too bothered.

Continued bad vibes on Friend.

I get some (mild) pro-town vibes from Dramonic's post 299, where he declares Zwet, Furcolow, and Friend town. I don't agree with him on 2 of those (the only one of those 3 I have a town read on at the moment Zwet), but I don't see why Dramonic would do that as scum.

In post 361, ooba makes a scum list, listing Lord Gurgi as scum without giving reasons. I don't necessarily have a problem with that kind of post, although I'd be interested to hear why. However, this two posts later, again giving no reason, Friend votes Gurgi. The timing kind of weirds me out; makes me wonder if Friend is looking for some wagon that he'll get support for, not necessarily looking for scum. I mean, he obviously wasn't convinced by ooba's logic, since there wasn't any, so I'm curious as to why he joined the wagon then.

[Friend]

That's not what I said, Longing. I said that your dichotomy is flawed because I'm pretty sure M=W is town and I know I am town. <-- FOR POROCHAZ: I HAVE EXPLAINED THIS ALREADY.

Therefore, sticking to it and only making votes based on it is scummy to me.

[Friend]

In post 361, ooba makes a scum list, listing Lord Gurgi as scum without giving reasons. I don't necessarily have a problem with that kind of post, although I'd be interested to hear why. However, this two posts later, again giving no reason, Friend votes Gurgi. The timing kind of weirds me out; makes me wonder if Friend is looking for some wagon that he'll get support for, not necessarily looking for scum. I mean, he obviously wasn't convinced by ooba's logic, since there wasn't any, so I'm curious as to why he joined the wagon then.

lrn2read?

Aim: Lord Gurgi

General vibe of not wanting to step on anyone's toes and draw attention to himself.

I agreed with this vibe, I aimed.

[zwetschenwasser]

yosarian claims to have a town read on me without any basis.

[Porochaz]

In post 361, ooba makes a scum list, listing Lord Gurgi as scum without giving reasons. I don't necessarily have a problem with that kind of post, although I'd be interested to hear why. However, this two posts later, again giving no reason, Friend votes Gurgi. The timing kind of weirds me out; makes me wonder if Friend is looking for some wagon that he'll get support for, not necessarily looking for scum. I mean, he obviously wasn't convinced by ooba's logic, since there wasn't any, so I'm curious as to why he joined the wagon then.

lrn2read?

Learn to read.

Learn to write?

Aim: Lord Gurgi

General vibe of not wanting to step on anyone's toes and draw attention to himself.

I agreed with this vibe, I aimed.

[/quote]

But your only saying that now.

No other reasons beyond a vibe?

[Yosarian2]

Summery of my summery (for the lazy, for those who DON'T READ LONG THREADS, and for myself to look back at later)

People who look really scummy to me:
1. Gandeldorf
2. Furcolow
3. Friend

People who look midly scummy to me:
1. Chronopie
2. Animporph

Vote:Gandeldorf

[zwetschenwasser]

EXPLAIN WHY YOU HAVE A TOWN READ ON ME plz

[ReaperCharlie]

RC, watch your back. I told you that I'd come into our next game together with a vengeance.

Yeah, yeah, "vengeance", "watch your back Reaper", blah blah blah, I've heard it all before

I agree with the WIFOM, but I'm not about to advocate the lynchings of Yosarin2, Gurgi, Faraday, etc. just because they're good players, whatnot.

Why not? By what I've just shown, that you said you AGREED WITH, I showed that the likelihood that they are scum is GREATER than the likelihood that others are scum, due to the likelihood that they'd been RECRUITED is higher.

Does this make sense? Confirm or deny.

[Friend]

But your only saying that now.

lrn2read?

Why's LG scummy? You haven't said why. Usually you vote without reasoning, then state it later. Not at all this time though.

I say you're scum. Don't try to deny it, scumbag.

Aim: Friend

REASONS FOR SCUMMINESS = WHAT SOMEONE SAID ABOUT AVOIDING CONFLICT, NOT WANTING TO STEP ON TOES, ETC. HAPPY NOW?

Starting to seriously think that Yos2 got recruited. That catchup post was full of fluffy accusations on easy targets.

[Porochaz]

holster, aim: Lord Gurgi

I find that wagon just as appealing as it was.

xvart, in response to your three linked posts of mine:

1. Already talked about it.
2. No way in hell he looked up my meta
3. I disagree

The vote.

No reason.

[Friend]

But your only saying that now.

Just pointing out that this was false.

[Yosarian2]

EXPLAIN WHY YOU HAVE A TOWN READ ON ME plz

huh? I already did explain that. This was when I first got it:

-Zwet's attack on Furclaw makes sense to me. Not sure if I agree with it, but I can see where he's coming from. Gives me a town vibe on Zwet right now.

Furcolow voted for Seraphim right after Seraphim wanted to replace out, without any good reasons. You instantly voted him for that. Furcolow's vote there seemed anti-town, and your vote made a lot of sense. It feels like the kind of scumhunting I've seen you do as town before.

The impression that you're are actually scumhunting continued after that. You spent the next several posts trying to keep the focus on Furcolow, and you did it in a way that focused on the actually anti-town and scummy things he did, rather then get bogged down into personal attacks like he was trying to troll you into doing. A lot of your other posts were pretty effective scumhunting, in your normal style. For example:

gandalf, you still have failed to make an actual case on anyone (and yes I know I haven't either).

That's part of the reason I think gandalf is scum, as i explained using about 4 times that many words, heh.

(shrug) I've played with you a bunch of times, I think I have a pretty good meta read on you by this point, zwet, and I think you're probably town. A lot of your reactions to stuff that happened in the thread seemed to come from a pro-town place.

[zwetschenwasser]

friend, there's a point when you break off from the "eccentric playstyle" category and end up in "perpetual scumminess"ville. And that's coming from me.

[zwetschenwasser]

yos, YOU CAN'T READ ME! MY META IS UNBREAKABLE DIE DIE DIE

[Friend]

Yeah, I know what you mean zwet. It's mostly laziness that makes me unwilling to make cases/wallposts etc. So I share my reads instead in absolute form.

[Yosarian2]

In post 361, ooba makes a scum list, listing Lord Gurgi as scum without giving reasons. I don't necessarily have a problem with that kind of post, although I'd be interested to hear why. However, this two posts later, again giving no reason, Friend votes Gurgi. The timing kind of weirds me out; makes me wonder if Friend is looking for some wagon that he'll get support for, not necessarily looking for scum. I mean, he obviously wasn't convinced by ooba's logic, since there wasn't any, so I'm curious as to why he joined the wagon then.

lrn2read?

Aim: Lord Gurgi

General vibe of not wanting to step on anyone's toes and draw attention to himself.

I agreed with this vibe, I aimed.

Ooba didn't make any new arguments when he called Gurgi scum IN POST 361, which is what I just said in the part that you quoted. You voted Lord Gurgi in post 363. You're right, Ooba made a decent arguemnt earlier, but that dosn't explain the timing.

Starting to seriously think that Yos2 got recruited. That catchup post was full of fluffy accusations on easy targets.

This looks scummy to me.

1. As has already been establish, town shouldn't even be looking for recruits right now, town should be trying to find the recruiters.

2. "Fluffy accusations against easy targets"? I attacked 5 different people in two posts, many of which have never been attacked before. Obviously I'm not going correct about all of them, because I doubt there's that many scum on day 1 of a cult game, but nonetheless.

3. Just to be clear, how the hell are you an easy target? Several people have declared you to be town for basically no good reason; it's very unlikely you'll be lynched today. Nonetheless, I think you've done some scummy, so I said so.

4. How are any of my accusations "fluffy"? Better yet, explain to me which of my accusations you disagree with the substance of.

[zwetschenwasser]

*facepalm I'm glad I'm still voting you.

edit: @friend

[Yosarian2]

yos, YOU CAN'T READ ME! MY META IS UNBREAKABLE DIE DIE DIE

Everyone is readable. To one degree or another.

[Friend]

3. Just to be clear, how the hell are you an easy target? Several people have declared you to be town for basically no good reason; it's very unlikely you'll be lynched today. Nonetheless, I think you've done some scummy, so I said so.

Seriously? I got the largest wagon on me bro.

4. How are any of my accusations "fluffy"? Better yet, explain to me which of my accusations you disagree with the substance of.

Most of the comments about Furcolow. Saying "Man I want to lynch this guy" after his VT claim.

1. As has already been establish, town shouldn't even be looking for recruits right now, town should be trying to find the recruiters.

But when we find someone who feels like they've been recruited (like yourself) it's stupid to overlook said person because we want to find the recruiters.

[animorpherv1]

@Yos:

I understand where your point comes from, but, IME, it's hard to grab a strong scum read from someone that has only posted four times.

[Yosarian2]

Most of the comments about Furcolow. Saying "Man I want to lynch this guy" after his VT claim.

That's pretty much the exact opposite of "fluffy".

1. He claimed "power role" to get people to unvote him.
2. He hinted he might be lying.
3. He made his "I might be lying" hint even more clear.
4. He claimed townie. Twice. While still no where near a lynch.

Fluffy? He lied about his role to get people to unvote him, and then unclaimed, and claimed to be vanilla. Are you seriously claiming that's a "fluffy" case? Honestly, I can't imagine any pro-town person reading that post and not suddenly having a deep, burning desire to lynch Furcolow on the spot.

1. As has already been establish, town shouldn't even be looking for recruits right now, town should be trying to find the recruiters.

But when we find someone who feels like they've been recruited (like yourself) it's stupid to overlook said person because we want to find the recruiters.

Yeah, bullshit. I don't believe that you actually think that.

The "scum might want to recruit experenced players like Yosarian" is actually a reasonable argument, and one I expected to get on day 1 when I signed up for the game. But you don't make it for the first 16 pages, and then "suddenly think of it" right after I start posting? I don't buy that at all. And then, when I start seriously attacking you, you step it up from a vauge

is it too WIFOM-y to suggest that scum would recruit a better/more well-known player like Yos2 or LG or Prozac?

To suddenly just being sure I was recruited?

I think it's much more likely that you suddenly "thought" of that argument as a way to discredit me. And, if you are scum, it would be a perfect way to do it; you get to discredit my arguments and plant suspicious on me for later use, and you don't even have worry about being proven wrong because the town isn't going to actually be looking to lynch plasuable recruits for several days.