Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[VP Baltar]

In the last game you could rob two graves per night. That's how we shut down so many of the murderers. I think this is still the case in this game except now Percy included Ward to block Rob Grave as well. This means that someone can be prevented from robbing a grave and thus it cant' really be used as a roleblock action anymore. That's why I said in the sign up thread that the rules have moved more toward favoring scum. Makes it more difficult, but what can you do I guess.

[ReaperCharlie]

So now being a Murderer is easier to get away with?...

*begins to Stalk VP Baltar*

[ReaperCharlie]

Also:

@ TNM: LOL! Why would I waste my Res Kit... would it be to prove I'm town? Remember, cult can have Res Kits too.

@ rewq: LOL again! Like I'm gonna let YOU tell me where to use my Res Kit. HAHAHAHA. And on Benmage? LOOOOOL

[VP Baltar]

So now being a Murderer is easier to get away with?...

*begins to Stalk VP Baltar*

We could have been bros...

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

Getting a feeling that Triglav is trying to coast through this game. His latest posts sounds like a bit of mimicking off other people instead of actually providing his own thoughts in the game. When examining what they post, it feels more artifical then those of the other hydra, as if they are trying too hard to agree on everything instead of taking risks and posting their individual thoughts on the game. This is probably gut, but it's not giving me good feelings.

Also,

Vote: Bowser

. Both sides of the hydra, despite decline in activity, have still been posting in-game. Untrod made three posts in an ongoing game, which indicates that he should at least have some times during the weekend. CSL has been posting in the forum as well, so it's not like he's incapable of providing thoughts in the game and scum hunting either. Therefore, I believe neither have any excuses to have completely avoid this game thread since Thursday morning. To me, I can see them as cult lurking to melt suspicion on them and make sure they avoid being lynched. They need pressure and if they fail to help town and continue to act scummy, should be today's lynch.

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@ SSBF:

Did you play SAII? Cause I didn't. There must be something I'm missing here, but I'm preeeetty sure I want Fate to live for now, sooo please point out to me where my logic is screwy because I'm not gonna go through and read the whole ruleset again in addition to your post.

So, with that being said:

Your plan gives the Cult a chance to kill Fate, right? But only if they've crafted a fetish for him already? Or can the Cult participate in a Ritual on anyone they want, regardless of fetishes crafted? If they can, then wasting Fate AND a Res kit just to confirm Benmage (who would then be 1 murder away from Psychopathy anyway) seems like a PRETTY bad plan to me.

On the other hand:

My plan gets rid of the stupid half of a very LOUD combination of people, saves Fate's life, and we've still got our Res kit. However, the Cult may still try to kill Fate (I'd rather Fate than a number of other people, though. sorry Fate ); that we don't really have any 'confirmed townies' (something I'd be willing to forgo to get Benmage out of the way, and free Fate up to scumhunt without worrying about some idiot killing him that night based on a childish vendetta).

1. To answer your question, no I did not play in Star Aligned III.

2. Your logic is screwy because with lynching Benmage today runs a huge risk of hitting investigator. If we're going to be lynching him, it's best to do it later when we have a couple of scummier people out of the way and when it is possible for him to go muderer. Based off what we've seen, going murderer will take at least three more nights for him. That means from Day 4 onward, Benmage has the possibility of being a murderer. If his behavior remains scummy, we can vote him off then.

3. Going with Benmage killing Fate tonight and me rezzing Fate can mostly confirm Benmage as non-cult and if he remains an investigator, can be crucial to town, especially end game when we likely have one less person to worry if the player is scum. Your plan seems way too concerned about saving Fate and ruins the chance of us having a potentially valueable townie at end game. Fate is in danger of Night Kill by cult regardless.

4. If your plan is to get rid of Benmage to save Fate, why aren't you following it up with a vote? I don't see the purpose of this plan if you aren't going to follow up with your plan.

I'm so lost. I'll just do as I'm asked.

-DGB

Not an excuse for the lack of contributations made to help town.

i'm reading really really slow.
just got past page 5.
is there anything urgent that need to be read?

You need to read more then five pages a day. By the time you get finished reading, it'll be about six days before you finish re-reading. Given that this is a fast moving game, reading five pages a day is not enough for you. But just in case you only read five pages a day, the least you could do is contribute what points you already think is important.

And there's a lot of important stuff things to discuss. Your goal is to read them. I'm not going to re-read the entire thread just list all the things you need to read.

SSBF and Feysal, are you guys saying that we need to have multiple people protecting Fate so that he can tell us if Benmage tried to murder him? If that is the case, then keep in mind that the person rezzing Fate also becomes bloody, so the person rezzing Fate would also know that Fate was attacked. Am I still missing/forgetting something?

No I'm not saying we need to have multiple people protecting Fate at all. All we really need is one person protecting Fate and I've already volunteered to do that. I'm just saying that two people protecting Fate could be a good idea to ensure that Fate lives and Benmage gets confirmed as non-cult if he does go through his promise of killing Fate tonight.

Benmage can grave rob whoever we lynch in addition to his attempted murder. Grave rob is a night action you can use in addition to one other.

In that case, I agree with the plan.

I don't think taboo is all that bad. Preventing you from using a type of equipment that you have searched for only wastes one of your night actions (equiping that piece of equipment), so, I think it isn't so bad compared to the others. Secondly, I think taboo can be used to prevent you from laundering which doesn't waste any night actions because it's a night action you don't need equipment for. Mod: Can a player choose Cower, Launder, Ward, or Rob Grave for the taboo insanity?

One benefit of laundering yourself is that you can use the resusitication kit again. With being bloody, you are unable to help people with risk of being NK'd. Furthermore, not being able to launder brings us one step closer to Chaos if there's at least three more investigators alive and I can't think of a scenario where going into Chaos would benefit the town. The first argument is fair enough, although I still do disagree with the second argument.

[AurorusVox]

I'm on page 24 atm and it took a large portion of the town that long to realize that furc is an investigator. Even that was only after Spyrex had to type out a giant wall explaining it.
[...]
AV is a general mess of backpedaling and "whoopsie daisy, don't attack me any more for that because I didn't mean what I said"
[...]
I'm still holding out hope that someone besides Spyrex starts making sense here soon

You do realise I was the one to argue, logically and conclusively, that Furcolow was town; not SpyreX, right? I'm pretty sure that the wall of text you're referring to is one that I wrote. I also argued that the Drippereth ward was unambiguous

before

SpyreX did. I find it quite hilarious that the praise you throw on SpyreX actually came from me, despite me being "a general mess."

[VP Baltar]

When I finish my reread, I'll go back and quote the things I think you've back tracked on. If I'm reading something wrong, then I'll let you off the hook. Furc = town has been fucking obv. since page three. And I'm pretty certain I just read your argument for that on like page 26 or something like that. I'll check back later for post numbers. Do you deny that you've backtracked several times this game?

@ xvart and MoI - What do you think of Lost Butterfly? Do their conflicting posts bother you?

[xvart]

Just a quick check in; didn't get to my reading today.

If you didn't ward, what did you do?

Why do you want to know what Furpants did last night? Why not the other dozen or so people who didn't ward and haven't claimed an action? And why didn't you follow up when he didn't answer?

I'm especially concerned about people that volunteer or jockey to grave rob. It seems like grave robbing would be a bonus for a player going the Murderer route as if they are the only person who robs a grave he/she will get information from grave robbing that will help their agenda (discovering who the other Murderers are). It seems that the added insanities, if wise decisions are made, can effectively be negated by killing their competition more quickly.

VP - I don't like it at all; and I find it frustrating. I've only ever played briefly with Faraday so I'm not really sure how conniving he can be, but Mina does not strike me as a person who would game the system with a hydra and contradictory reads. I need to go back and look at Lost Butterfly to see how those contradictory reads actually affect the game and their stances.

I also want to note that I don't like SSBF's vote on Bowser with the context of his previous observation on Trigalov. I am of the opinion that Trigalov is also guilty of minimal posting and providing content in the flurry and smoke screen of posting and fighting. SSBF notes that Trigalov is coasting and CSL has dropped in activity to melt suspicion (essentially the same outcome for both player slots) but his suspicions of Trigalov has more meat behind it in this post. I do recognize that SSBF has posted suspicion of Bowser earlier, but there is something in his recent post that just doesn't sit right with me and the way it was presented.

xvart.

[Fate]

*throws a tomato at Reaper*

NO REAPER DOESN'T GET TO GRAVE ROB.

NO HE DOESN'T.

[Fate]

I think I'm switching my vote from AV to Baby Spice or Bowser, whoever has more votes

even though voting BabyS would mean I'm on the same wagon as Benmage

.

[Furpants_Tom]

I think I'm switching my vote from AV to Baby Spice or Bowser, whoever has more votes

even though voting BabyS would mean I'm on the same wagon as Benmage

.

Well, that's nice, dear. Any particular reason you'd care to share with us?

[Fate]

Well I'm taking AV's word for it that he was the first to make a wall post about Furcolow being town, but now that I remember it I think that wishy washy post was why SpyreX was voting him in the FIRST PLACE, so .....


TLDR:
Seacore is town.
Bandwagon to victory.
Bowser/BabySpice can both swing.

[SpyreX]

Well I'm taking AV's word for it that he was the first to make a wall post about Furcolow being town, but now that I remember it I think that wishy washy post was why SpyreX was voting him in the FIRST PLACE, so .....

Except, of course, it was Hit who detailed the mod side of it before he did.
And, of course, my first post says Fur is town regardless of confirmation-gate.

I'm still nuts busy and I'll try to detail out what I was thinking and why before I sleep but madness.

[Fate]

GOOD TO SEE YOU SPYREX.

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THAT WAY PLEASE.

[Triglav]

See that's the thing that makes me wonder about Seacore. Surely, by the point where Seacore is basically pushing the cart alone (#445 or so), his scum-team would have been telling him to back off, right? The lack of wiggle-room he's given himself really makes him sound more like tunnelled town to me. Furcolow manages to give it a bit more momentum through aggressive rage-flail, but there's no obvious scummy support at that point; so I can't see it as part of a co-ordinated plan. If he's scum, the time-zone difference must be playing havoc with their ability to co-ordinate a plan.

Re: Feysal's post - are you talking about #504 or #539? I'm not sure I can see the logical inconsistency you're talking about. His position on Furcolow is that the mistake is such an unlikely cult gambit that it virtually confirms his townieness, even if it is logically possible he's scum, right? Where's the red flag?

Triglav shall attempt to be topical.

1. Seacore's obstinance as a town tell? Mmmmm, all strikes me as WIFOM, if obstinacy was a town tell would always want to play with Ythan and Benmage for obvious double town head force of pure win. Triglav's chosen take is oddity of continued pressure, feel it was an attempt to keep wagon rolling. You may take alternate opinion if you wish, can see point. Disagree.

2. #539 - look again, makes comment to Seacore saying "Furc is sooooo obv. town, amirite?" immediate next quote responses are agreements with MoI on his points against furc. Reads as defense while straddling lines for later possible shift. Not a fan of it.

Ugh...page after page of giant analysis walls all saying only slight variations of each other...
Everyone needs to stop posting till we catch up.
Am on page 23 now, will keep working more, expect to give up and eat milk and cookies around page 25. Try again more tomorrow.
At least Cain beat Brock, so this is good night.

[SpyreX]

Ninja:
Hmm, can you expand on the idea of "groups of 2-3"? It might solve some of the problems above but I'm not sure I follow what you mean.

2-3 narrows it so they can't just go OHH I DID X but keeps the "ohh noes they were warded" to a 33% (I'd say three) and creates segments in further days.

[Andrius]

Fellow Investigators,

I will catch up soon. Sorry for being gone, but shit got real over here. Almost wrote a GD "Drunk Andy" topic Friday night. And I got rejected some odd-hours ago, so life is at a low right now. Doing my best to get by.

I'll catch up soon. Promise.

<3,
Andy

[ReaperCharlie]

So now being a Murderer is easier to get away with?...

*begins to Stalk VP Baltar*

We could have been bros...

We can still be bros. I'll brofessionally murder you tomorrow night, after I stalk you tonight, howzaboutit?

Getting a feeling that Triglav is trying to coast through this game. His latest posts sounds like a bit of mimicking off other people instead of actually providing his own thoughts in the game. When examining what they post, it feels more artifical then those of the other hydra, as if they are trying too hard to agree on everything instead of taking risks and posting their individual thoughts on the game. This is probably gut, but it's not giving me good feelings.

This paragraph in #779 is beautiful. And overall I get the awesometown feel from most if not all of #779.

Furc, hito, plum, say hello to AWESOMEALLIANCE member #5... welcome to the group, SSBF.

I do have a question for you, though: What would you think if you rezzed Fate tonight, but Benmage was dead by morning?

I mean, the whole plan would be kinda busted, and Fate wouldn't even be confirmed town.

Perfect cult way to ruin all our plans, right?

Which is why I keep thinking we should just lynch SEACORE, BABYSPICE, or one of the other OBVCULT.

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xvart's #782 does NOT give me good vibes.

I'm getting that scum feel from him.

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YES I DO GET TO GRAVEROB, FATE. STFU

AND PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU KEEP SPOUTING THIS NONSENSE THAT SEACORE IS TOWN WHEN HE IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM.

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post #789 is largely meh.

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@ AndyNinja: Maybe next time you'll pull "RC's Playbook for da Wimminz" outta your back pocket and USE IT LIKE I TOLD YOU TO.

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh wait. I realize now that you did not specify the gender of the rejectOR, which brings into question the level of fruitiousness of the rejectEE (yourself).

Stay tuned, folks.

[Andrius]

She's female smartass.

[Furcolow]

i'm not graverobbing. It's not my cup of tea. Get benmage to do it. I already know my action for tonight, and I'm not going to tell you all what it is, but I have a pretty good plan.

Hmmm... Furcolow not playing with the town's best interest in mind, nor caring about town opinions. Also scheming his own plan. Furc - you should be our gravrobber, then you get the added bonus of getting to nine insanities faster to double stalk, and your grave robbing will tell you when you find any other murderers (pending you are the only one to rob grave) so you know who to target next.

too bad this is WIFOM because there is an insanity which delays a day dumbfuck

Awesome.

You do bring up an interesting point.

@Mod: Are delayed Denial insanities gained during the night (as in the selectors insanity count goes up during the night) but selected in the morning? When does the persons insanity count go up in the order of action chart?

Also two people claimed to have Warded the same person. Guess what this could mean?

Do tell, madame Plum.
(Although, I think I may have guessed it along the way. It has something to do with Baby Spice right~ *cookie if yes*, *no cookie if no*)

I was thinking Plum was thinking that I claimed to Ward someone already Warded in an attempt to hide a anti-Investigator action.

But more on this when I respond to kunkstar and xvart's utterly ridiculous "Use your Commune on Furc, because he's probably town, but we want to be EXTRA EXTRA EXTRA SURE that he doesn't go a murderer" plan (even though all the evidence suggests he warded on N0).

Woah woah woah, Mina. Let's be careful here before you misrep me too hard here. Yes, there are people who are town, but there are some of the town who are going to go the Murderer route. While Furc may very well be town now, if he flips an insanity, which I would bet my life on, it is proven that he always intended to go the solo Murder route, since he lied about his first action. I also don't believe in reforming people to stay town who were intending to go Murderer (as was evidence by dram in SA II).

MoI

- I'll get to your question in a bit. I've been too tunneled on Furcolow's madness and need to step back. I'm contemplating Trigalov (whichever Tri-hydra isn't Sotty/Zach/OJ) as a strong possibility, but need to look at a few other people, too. I'll give my reasonings and thinking tomorrow.

xvart.

I don't really like this attack on me. Everyone in this game agrees I warded but a few people. El Goosuki heard noise. They're not going to wind up dead.

vote: xvart

it just doesn't add up otherwise
I absolutely hated every bit of this post, including your saying "sorry I'm too good to answer questions" in relation to MoI.

Your "case" on me is that "he might go murderer youz guyz", and you BET YOUR FUCKING LIFE I have an insanity? Honestly, you could be dying pretty soon, that life you bet is gonna be cashed in with your lynch. Sorry it had to be this way, bro. Hope you don't mind us cashing in on that mister cultist.

I'm still very open to any wagon on Seacore/Fate/Lost Butterfly/baby spice, but xvart is looking ripe for lynching

I haven't finished my Seacore v. Babyspice and Spyrex v. AV things yet - and likely won't for a few more hours - but I have something I need to say right away.

Bad: Scummy player selected to rob grave, scum get corpse dust and equipment if we're

right

for the cheap cost of one insanity.
Good: Two townies players rob grave, no one gets anything as long as we're right on one of the two, two insanities.
Great: Townie we're sure of robs grave. Cultists not only get nothing, they have to take an insanity on the chin or else we get equipment, one insanity.

The problem with "Great" is that it's terrible if we're wrong on the townie. Furcolow doesn't want to do it, so I guess the question is, is there anyone besides him we feel safe calling "town" and making our graverobber? If not, it's not a huge deal, we can just have two people bounce the grave.

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I still don't want Benmage to go through with the murder. If he and Fate were both under intense suspicion, it might be worth it. But they're both pretty likely town. Risking the death of one pretty likely town (with losing a Rez kit being our BEST case scenario) just to make another pretty likely town a confirmed town? I don't buy it. It's not worth either losing a townie or blowing a protect just to get the equivalent of a single investigation on a likely town slot.

If BenMage kills Fate, he can be the graverobber. Otherwise, I'm OK with you doing it.

AusVox feels like he's sucking up to Lost Butterfly in 219. Basically agrees with anything and everything they say. Meh.

First of all, what was the point of mentioning this if you have nothing to say about it?
Secondly, couldn't the same thing be said of you? You pretty much did the same thing to Furcolow:

First of all, I pointed out his sucking up...how is that having nothing to say? You think I approve of his sucking up and I wanted to give him kudos for it? Second(ly), no. Just because I think Furcolow can play well at times does not mean I am sucking up to him by agreeing with him, which is what AV did. In fact, I think he's said some pretty dumb things in this game (shocker). I don't even see how you are equating my assessment of Furc's general skill level to AV following Lost Butterfly around.

Why would furc claim to have warded somebody not in the game, unless he thought they were in the game?

You guys need to use your gorram brains.

Hey this guy gets it! I think use of any brains at all would be good. I don't know why so many people are insisting that Furc is scum when essentially everything he's done this game MAKES NO SENSE AS SCUM. Why in the hell would he volunteer information that would only make him look silly when he could easily lie and have no attention on him? Because he's town, that's why.

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I've come up with an awesome new rule for this game. From now on, everyone stops saying "SHUT THE EFF UP, I'M CONFIRMED TOWN." It is quite clear to me that you folks don't understand the set up. Like, at all. Try the rules again. And then read them again after that. If you make it to like Day 5 and beyond with several things triangulating your town status, then you can start calling yourself confirmed town. Until then, you're not. No sign up thread disproves this. /rant

Still reading, still catching up. This is my personal hell. I hope in the next 9 pages, the arguments get much better.

Qatol?

Nevermind I didn't give a better reason for voting Bowser, BUT I HAVE MADE SOLID CASES/POINTS.

If you think a page 3 vote is still worthy than...

Nah,

you're town play is good Baltar

. Your scum play is apparently very lacking though. Were you scum in mafia at the 11th hour? Remind me.

SCUMSLIP

"you are town play is good Baltar"? Fatescum.
Maybe benmage was right and we should just lynch him(fate!)

^a good example of an ACTUAL townie struggling to keep up

Yet another time fate is actually making a scumslip

*goes to do what you just asked*

HEY WAIT A SECOND.

IS THIS SOME EXCUSE TO NOT CATCHUP ON THE THREAD AND HAVING ME SPOONFEED YOU POSTS THAT YOU CAN MAKE DIRECT COMMENTS ON?

NOT FALLIN FOR THAT BUSTER. THERES NO NEED:
1. get in a quibblin fight over whether your Bowser vote > entirety of my scumhunting
2. You said yourself you've been IGNORING MINE AND BENMAGE'S POSTS, so how the fuck could you even KNOW your Bowser vote was better than all the content I've provided?

+
You ignoring Ben+Fate's posts
+
"all the posts this game are shit"
=
Every non-Fate+Ben post being contentless and not worth commenting
=
BULLSHIT
=
VPScum

Squirm into Flail
honestly
fatescum

Every time I sit down this thread crushes my will.

Actually, I had formulated a plan for keeping him alive via resuscitation whilst still testing the validity of the kill even in the event of scumFate. AFAIK Fate would still receive the death PM and then the "revival" PM and so we could test the stalk claim AND keep Fate alive; if he's town, he tells the truth, and if he's scum and says he received no PM, we can test Benmage for blood. Did you skim over that bit?

... is this how this works?

If so, maybe MAAAYBBE I'll need to readjust.

That doesn't change that this:

Well, we probably have more than one Res. Kit and we can prevent the kill even if he tries. vOv

So, why do you want to lynch the person who can confirm that they are not affiliated with the cult?

Still bothers me. Why waste the Res Kits on a bad action?

What is the larger dealio with Stalks? I mean all this talk of stalk = town = profit suuree

isn't

seems like a bad idea and come wagon time if another stalk claim comes through?

"I have a problem. I NEED Benmage to carry out his kill tonight otherwise he drowns us in WIFOM stew. Do not want. On the other hand, am very much leaning Town on Fate. HALP."

There is no WIFOM. There is no stew.

Benmage, period, can not be left to endgame unless its a flat sweep. That's just how it is.

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I can't believe that I am saying this, but I think letting the kill go through would be good for the town,

even if Fate is town.

This early in the game a confirmed non-cultist would be very beneficial to the town, as it is one less person that is possibly scum (yes I realize that was very repetitive). After that, I think we should put BenMage on Grave Robbing duty, which there is a limit to the number that you can do in one night, last game it was 2. If anything BenMage should be warded tonight to prevent the scum from killing our possible confirmed town.

No. NO.

Hmmm... Furcolow not playing with the town's best interest in mind, nor caring about town opinions. Also scheming his own plan. Furc - you should be our gravrobber, then you get the added bonus of getting to nine insanities faster to double stalk, and your grave robbing will tell you when you find any other murderers (pending you are the only one to rob grave) so you know who to target next.

Alright, have I missed something amazing? Because, if not, after a few things are cleared up, ohhh snap. Because I'm pretty sure the idea is Fur is the right bro for brobbing because

he is pretty clearly town and isn't already prepping down failure road.

My plan gets rid of the stupid half of a very LOUD combination of people, saves Fate's life, and we've still got our Res kit. However, the Cult may still try to kill Fate (I'd rather Fate than a number of other people, though. sorry Fate ); that we don't really have any 'confirmed townies' (something I'd be willing to forgo to get Benmage out of the way, and free Fate up to scumhunt without worrying about some idiot killing him that night based on a childish vendetta).

Still though, I think there's a better plan out there.

<3

I'll admit I had some worries reaper (which I'll get to) but they're gone now. GOD.

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Now, ASIDE FROM ALL THAT.

Will someone please, please,

please

explain to me what in the hell this Seacore business is about? I'm flat missing it.

too bad i have a plan, and i'm not robbing, bro. sorry. i'm gonna try my own method.
also, someone having a res kit, or claiming to have used one, does not fucking clear them.
ask plum about that.

AAAAAAAAAAH!

Sorry for this useless rant, but it's three-thirty in the morning right now, I can't think straight anymore and have to wake up in a few hours, and I've basically wasted my evening writing ginormous cases on people...only to realize halfway in the middle of writing them that I no longer believed that my target was guilty.

This is so demoralizing. I hate my slow and scattered brain. Every time I try to make a point on someone, my mind jumps to a completely unrelated thought about another player.

So my catch up post has devolved from "comment on everything of note in the game and analyze everyone's shift of opinions on Furcolow" to "ask a few relevant questions and comment on the major wagons as well as answer posts directed your way" to "only make cases on kunkstar, xvart, and VP Baltar" to "just get your damn vote on someone already." And now I don't even know who to vote any more!

Aaaaah. Should I even post my case on kunkstar, in which I expressed confidence that he was totally guilty and the difference in play between SAII and here was soooo obvious, but that I now no longer believe in that much because I realize I'd mentally exaggerated the shift in his opinions?

Um...as far as opinions I'm somewhat confident of, Faraday had a town read on SSBF earlier, and now I agree with him. Also, I think Benmage shouldn't go through with his Stalk (because what's the point of killing one player widely read as town just to confirm that another player read as town is really town), and SSBF should probably use his kit on Fate just in case Ben goes rogue, so that the rest of the town can coordinate their own resurrection targets.

Fuck it. I'll post some of what I've got because I'll be pissed if I wrote all that for nothing, but from now on, I'll leave the votes and opinions to Faraday and just stick to asking questions and trying to draw reads.

Believe it or not, I trust noone with a res kit because of a combination of it suggesting cult getting one in the rules, and SA2 fakeclaim of ressing which fucked the town pretty bad.

I'm not saying GOOD players don't res, but sometimes it can backfire! Having a res kit is null, and I've been reading SSBF back and forth personally. I don't have a strong town read on him.

2. You said yourself you've been IGNORING MINE AND BENMAGE'S POSTS, so how the fuck could you even KNOW your Bowser vote was better than all the content I've provided?

Well that's just patently wrong. I said I would ignore your posts until you two started scumhunting. I still look at every post you make, but when you start capslocking about how much you hate Ben I simply begin scrolling. Play better and I wouldn't have to. And I'm not trying to get in a bickering argument with you about who is doing more scumhunting. I'm simply saying that the conversations in this thread have been quite poor overall and I wanted you to point out what I'm apparently missing that is good (since you claim it is there). Perhaps I AM missing something good. I would like it pointed out to me, because I'm not seeing it right now. Third, your statement that I haven't commented on any posts is also patently false. My commenting has been on answering questions directly asked to me and things that I think are particularly noteworthy. The fact that I'm perpetually 10 pages behind here doesn't really make me inclined to post ginormous walls of text about the game state that far back. A lot could have changed and I'm a busy person that isn't going to waste my time. However, if I see something that stands out to me as needing to be talked about, I will say so. Once I'm fully caught up, then I can get more active in posting giant walls...though this game has more than enough for the remainder of its existence.

TL;DR

Feel free to point out your wonderful scumhunting and stop dodging.

this post is fucking hypocritical. I feel like you are bored, VP Baltar. You are telling him "get to scumhunting!" when you are 10 pages behind. I believe you're town, but you need to take your own advice.

I can't believe that I am saying this, but I think letting the kill go through would be good for the town,

even if Fate is town.

This early in the game a confirmed non-cultist would be very beneficial to the town, as it is one less person that is possibly scum (yes I realize that was very repetitive). After that, I think we should put BenMage on Grave Robbing duty, which there is a limit to the number that you can do in one night, last game it was 2. If anything BenMage should be warded tonight to prevent the scum from killing our possible confirmed town.

No. NO.

YES YES. Would you rather have this town detrimental argument going on (even if it is town on town), or have one of them murder the other to confirm himself as a non-cultist? After that we can just have Benmage rob graves to make sure he does not go murderer.

... is this how this works?

According to SAII, that's how it works. The target receives different flavour depending on whether they're targeted by a murder or a ritual, and also is notified if they were resuscitated. Therefore if Fate is town and lives til tomorrow, he can tell us whether he was murdered or ritualised. If he's scum and lies, we can still check Benmage with the "Investigate" action N2 to see if he did in fact try to murder Fate (so long as he doesn't launder); and then we can prevent him from going murderer as others have suggested. The only place where this plan fails is if they're both scum.

I like this plan.

I agree with this so much.
I'm backing rewq on this. He was in SA2 so he knows what he's talking about here, the only problem between this and SA2 is corpse dust. Not sure if that matters as much, just makes res kits even more helpful to scum than they already were. Fucking WIFOM kits if you ask me. I'm not a fan of any of the equipment, honestly.

If that's how it works I'm fumbling through something but isn't there the potential to, sans failure, clear whole swaths of people?

OK, you gave me a reason to retract the statement I just made. Equipment is good to catch liars, murderers, and to save town lives (SOMETIMES). It isn't the gun that kills the person on its own, it needs someone to pull its trigger. The problem with "confirming tons of people" is the possibility of chaos.

I'm so lost. I'll just do as I'm asked.

-DGB

stalk and make a single kill. claim it after you make it.

Look Baltar, I've been scum before. Its EASY as hell to have someone go: "here's something to comment on, what u think?" and you to say "i think XXX" INSTEAD OF producing new and fresh content and catching up on the game.

ISNT THAT RIGHT MR. LAWYER? EASIER TO TWIST AND SPIN INSTEAD OF COME UP WITH NEW AND INTERESTING VIEWPOINTS.

I'm not asking you to give me ideas about what I should be looking at. I'm asking you because I'm demonstrating how devoid of useful points this thread is. I'm on page 24 atm and it took a large portion of the town that long to realize that furc is an investigator. Even that was only after Spyrex had to type out a giant wall explaining it. I mean, ffs, if you don't think this thread is filled with useless babble (which you have actively contributed to the entire time), then I pity you. As far as your capslock portion, I don't even understand what you're talking about. But it's loud!

Other cool things that people have spent a lot of useless words on:
Should ben follow through on his stalk? No.
Is furc a VI or what! Sure, sometimes
What does Percy's post mean regarding Furc? It shouldn't have even been talked about long enough for Percy to have to post.

^I certainly summed those up and it didn't take me 20+ pages to do it.


I don't know when the site got flooded with caps lock attention whores that follow through on nothing. It is annoying to read and it only results in a completely schizo town. Big fat meh on it. Town would be much better served by focusing on people who have acted scummy and pressuring them hard.

I will make suggestions:
xvart has been generally useless from what I've seen, has pursued terrible cases and is hiding behind charts to look pro-town.
AV is a general mess of backpedaling and "whoopsie daisy, don't attack me any more for that because I didn't mean what I said"
Bowser still sucks, though I can confirm that they have dropped their posting rate elsewhere
MoI pushed the Fur case to the point of irrationality until it essentially became obvious it wasn't going to happen.
Lost Butterfly is clusterfuck of confusion.

All of these people require ample questioning, but all I've been reading is Furc = stupid. Pardon my frustration with that. I'm still holding out hope that someone besides Spyrex starts making sense here soon. When I get fully caught up, you can rest assured that I'll hold your hand and point you in the right direction. K?

Agree with a lot of this post, and a lot of suspects. Criticizing Fate, though, then dismissing him as a suspect could be you trying to get townies pushed, so I'm not fully going to trust you yet.

I haven't finished my Seacore v. Babyspice and Spyrex v. AV things yet - and likely won't for a few more hours - but I have something I need to say right away.

Bad: Scummy player selected to rob grave, scum get corpse dust and equipment if we're

right

for the cheap cost of one insanity.
Good: Two townies players rob grave, no one gets anything as long as we're right on one of the two, two insanities.
Great: Townie we're sure of robs grave. Cultists not only get nothing, they have to take an insanity on the chin or else we get equipment, one insanity.

The problem with "Great" is that it's terrible if we're wrong on the townie. Furcolow doesn't want to do it, so I guess the question is, is there anyone besides him we feel safe calling "town" and making our graverobber? If not, it's not a huge deal, we can just have two people bounce the grave.

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I still don't want Benmage to go through with the murder. If he and Fate were both under intense suspicion, it might be worth it. But they're both pretty likely town. Risking the death of one pretty likely town (with losing a Rez kit being our BEST case scenario) just to make another pretty likely town a confirmed town? I don't buy it. It's not worth either losing a townie or blowing a protect just to get the equivalent of a single investigation on a likely town slot.

Makes sense. But this post gives me the willies. Bad willies.

It sounds like hito is fishing, trying to say "lets pick a really TOWN townie... wink wink ME derp"
But he doesn't actually SAY it outright, meaning he's waiting for somebody else to suggest that he do it.

Which is exactly what I thought when I read it:
- Why don't we just have you do it, Hito?
- OH WAIT. WHY DIDNT YOU JUST SUGGEST YOURSELF? HMMMM
- OMFG THIS MOFO MIGHT JUST BE REALLY SMART SCUM. sooo

Very Reluctant FoS (which will probably earn me a few tomatoes in the face): hitorogoshi

And now, of course, I MYSELF volunteer to be the one to rob the graves.

?I kind of agree with you on sensing that, but I feel that it is null.
i'm just not sure enough of anyone saying it like that and it being implicated with their decision on this.
Like if hitogoroshi was town he would be like "well, how can I type this respectfully (probably where he's asian. Are you asian, hito? you don't have to answer, I'm not trying to offend.), given differences of culture and the fact that noone knows my role but myself if I'm an investigator. Sure, it could be "pick me, i'll get corpse dust"

just

as easily, but it's null because of this and WIFOM, right?

ReaperCharlie, I don't understand what you are saying about hitogoroshi. Can you explain it some more?

Also, why should

you

grave rob?

I understand what he was saying, but I agree with your apprehension here.
I am liking Wickedestjr we should add him to the alliance

It FEELS to me, like he's begging to be chosen to grave rob. But doesn't want to submit himself as a candidate for it.

I should grave rob because I am awesome and town, and (as I already said) I'm a shining beacon of hope and sanity.

oh, well, if you put it that way
*sold*'


so yea

vote: xvart
fos: fate

[Furcolow]

So now being a Murderer is easier to get away with?...

*begins to Stalk VP Baltar*

We could have been bros...

We can still be bros. I'll brofessionally murder you tomorrow night, after I stalk you tonight, howzaboutit?

Getting a feeling that Triglav is trying to coast through this game. His latest posts sounds like a bit of mimicking off other people instead of actually providing his own thoughts in the game. When examining what they post, it feels more artifical then those of the other hydra, as if they are trying too hard to agree on everything instead of taking risks and posting their individual thoughts on the game. This is probably gut, but it's not giving me good feelings.

This paragraph in #779 is beautiful. And overall I get the awesometown feel from most if not all of #779.

Furc, hito, plum, say hello to AWESOMEALLIANCE member #5... welcome to the group, SSBF.

I do have a question for you, though: What would you think if you rezzed Fate tonight, but Benmage was dead by morning?

I mean, the whole plan would be kinda busted, and Fate wouldn't even be confirmed town.

Perfect cult way to ruin all our plans, right?

Which is why I keep thinking we should just lynch SEACORE, BABYSPICE, or one of the other OBVCULT.

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xvart's #782 does NOT give me good vibes.

I'm getting that scum feel from him.

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YES I DO GET TO GRAVEROB, FATE. STFU

AND PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU KEEP SPOUTING THIS NONSENSE THAT SEACORE IS TOWN WHEN HE IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM.

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post #789 is largely meh.

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@ AndyNinja: Maybe next time you'll pull "RC's Playbook for da Wimminz" outta your back pocket and USE IT LIKE I TOLD YOU TO.

glad we're on the same page. I'm disliking both xvart and fate as well.

[Baby Spice]

Hello all, I'm back but exhausted.
Have six pages to catch up on after I rest up and eat.

[VasudeVa]

Yo Furc, 28 pages in the game, you have 7 pages in your ISO.

Can you tone it down a bit? You're really bogging it down.

^scummy

Has absolutely no bearing in the game. If all of furc's posts are scumhunting and valid discussion, then I welcome each and every single post. At this point I would throw myself in front of a bullet for furc.

GTFO VAS AND TAKE YOUR BADGER FRIENDS WITH YOU.

Uhm. What? Why are scum more likely to dissuade spammy posts? Am I the only one scummy for attempting to stop Furcspam when there are other people doing so? It

does

have some fucking bearing in to the game because players don't want to see that they need to read 10 pages when 40% of it is just Furcolow spamming shit all over the thread(and is bad for Town morale.).

And besides, he can easily compress everything he's saying into one post.

You think I’m not playing aggressively when any number of people have attacked me for being too aggressive regarding Furc? Cool story bro.

It doesn't matter what other people think. What matters is I'm seeing some indications that your Furc-agressiveness may have been faked, and now that Furc's near-unanimously believed to be Town, you're looking for something to do. So you follow on Spy to vote on AV. However, the problem is that lacks the usual MoI Town-aggression I've seen before~. It reeks of buddy distancing, I tellz ya.

I think I'll go vote for ye.

Vote: MoI

Can you go over why you think Spy's case on AV is good?

You claim that you have not read #491. Then how would you be able to say that my vote on Furcolow is terrible if you haven't read that post, let alone the entire post? You could say that I was voting a VI, but I at least tried to justify my vote to the best of my ability. That being said, I have already unvoted Furcolow, but I would still like to know why my vote for him is more likely to come out of scum.

Nah, that Furc vote was all I needed. I've skimmed it, but I didn't understand. I think that anyone who dared attempt to vote for Furcolow SHOULD be put under some scrutiny because they're either: Scum or Stupid. When people started nitpicking Furc's "EL GOOSUKI BUT I TARGETED DRIPPERETH", I imagined scum partying in their Cult QT doing virgin sacrifices and having orgies thanking Cthulhu for an easy mislynch. (Note: I have no real knowledge of Lovecraftian stuff, just some shitty stock knowledge.)

Fellow Investigators,

I will catch up soon. Sorry for being gone, but shit got real over here. Almost wrote a GD "Drunk Andy" topic Friday night. And I got rejected some odd-hours ago, so life is at a low right now. Doing my best to get by.

I'll catch up soon. Promise.

<3,
Andy

TC Andy, and thanks for the Wine(infrontofme.)

Also, when you get back please check out and answer my questions to you in my ISO somewhere.

[Lost Butterfly]

Hi. Faraday is having Internet problems, so you'll be stuck with the Mina head until Tuesday. Since it seems like there's confusion as to who's saying what, I'll start signing my posts from now on just to make it clearer.

Also, it's a sign of how far behind everyone is that no one noticed that I said cases on kunkstar and xvart were coming up but I never delivered. (I decided to "rest a little" at 4 AM...which led to me waking up just in time to miss my bus for work today. I have what I did saved, but I'm too tired to edit it, particularly since I have work

again

tomorrow.)

I'm suspicious of VP Baltar for reasons I'll go into when I'm less sleep deprived, but I'm in total agreement with him on one thing...

How about we all just stop arguing about Fate and Benmage already? What's everyone's obsession with making sure we possibly have ONE more confirmed townie?

This is utterly ridiculous. For example, Feysal, I agree with your last paragraph that the best idea is for Benmage just not to kill (but SSBF to resurrect Fate just in case Ben decides to be an idiot), but what was the point of writing yet

another

giant wall post with no suspects, but lots more "protown" looking theory? rewq, I've just Iso'd you. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF YOUR POSTS (with the exception of one line stating you don't get the case on Seacore) is either about Furcolow, set-up discussion, or whether Benmage should kill Fate.

Start finding scum. Now.

Honestly, would people be interested in giant cases from me tomorrow night (I'd saved what I'd written on kunkstar and xvart last night, and there's stuff I'd like to call attention to from other players), or is everyone just overwhelmed by all the wall posting? If it weren't against every fibre of my nature, I'd almost say we should move on with a lynch as quickly as possible just to get a flip and keep the game from stagnating. (If we decide on that route, then I'd direct my attention to players who are being wagoned instead.

Meh. I'd started doubting my xvart case last night, but I need to get over my mortal fear of voting before I'm 100% sure of the evidence.

VOTE: xvart

Oh, and I still haven't ISO'd AurorusVox, but I've been feeling better about AurorusVox and worse about SpyreX as the day has progressed. Plum and Benmage--aka, the people who'd cast doubt on SpyreX--exactly what in particularly bothers? Personally, he looked blindingly town at first, but it seems as though he's forcing his case a bit.

To me, it's not so much that he's suggesting a "protown" plan (too many players are doing it in this game) as gut and meta. Faraday had a town read on SSBF early on (which I'd found weird, considering Faraday had questioned SSBF about that nonsensical post about the Lost Butterfly and Fate and wagon-hopping). As for me, it's his earnestness. SSBF is always a bit overeager and verbose. I was possibly the only player in ACOK Mafia not to instantly see through SK!SSBF, but still, he was scummier than this there (tried to suck up to people, deflect attention away from himself, parrot easy points, etc.). But I'll give scumvart the benefit of the doubt and check if I agree on SSBF's Bowser vote. :p

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@ xvart and MoI - What do you think of Lost Butterfly? Do their conflicting posts bother you?

You know, I'm debating how much I should defend against this, because I think I'd be more interested in hearing how xvart and MagnaofIllusion answer when they reread.

I will say that the questions you should be asking should be:

-Does Faraday's 180 on Furcolow OR my consistent defence of Furcolow before and after Faraday's vote have a scum or town motivation? And is either scummy enough to negate the other head's behaviour?
-Is it a significant scumtell that Faraday voted before discussing it with me in the QT or waiting for me to wake up?
-Is it scummy that Faraday didn't think of how it would look for an account to vote for a player it had just defended before (even if new information had come about)?
-Is it scummy that I contradicted him in the thread in order to enforce my own beliefs and/or do damage control?
-What scum agenda would be furthered by our switching back and forth like that within a day?
-Do you think I've secretly been pretending to be Faraday the whole time so as to fool people?

And maybe Faraday should be the one explaining his own thought patterns and motivations.

But just going, "LOL, Lost Butterfly is scum because it's schizo and contradicts itself" is shallow analysis when two people will obviously never have the same opinions 100% of the time.

~Mina