Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[ReaperCharlie]

I have very little desire to put a lot of new work into this game, if I'm just gonna be lynched today. I have said pretty much all that needs to be said about what I've noticed, and yes, I could do a re-read, but I have very little interest in doing that either. I'm not much on the whole 'contribute a ton just before you are lynched in hopes that when you are lynched that town will come to their senses and kill the ones who pushed your lynch'.

Hope that is understandable.

This will probably be my last post for a while unless something piques my interest, or there are enough people saying "Reaper is not scum, don't lynch him" that I feel like I have a decent chance of surviving the day.

ISO me if you wish, you won't find anything cult-motivated in there at all.

Why would I try to save Furcolow if I was cult. Why. There is no reason.

Why would I call out Seacore out of the blue if I was cult. Why? Again, no reason.

Why would I do pretty much ANYTHING I've done this game, if I was cult?

If I was cult, I would know how the kill mechanism worked, so I wouldn't ask.

I asked because I didn't understand. Go ahead, tell me you all have 100% understanding of the game. Call this another Appeal to Emotion if you will.

I'm not scum. I'm an investigator and I Searched for a Res Kit last night. I am planning on Warding Furcolow tonight if he is alive.

I think at least 2/3 of Seacore/Lost Butterfly/Triglav are scum.

Seacore's latest posts are making me WIFOM whether he's tunneling TOWN (doesn't seem likely at this point, but I will admit that it IS possible), or whether he is CULT, and decided to lay low against my accusations until he felt he might have enough support for a counter-wagon AND/OR he was laying low until I did something that could be WIFOMspun as scummy or cult-motivated (which seems a lot more likely for me).

Whatever you do this game, protect Furcolow. He will be instrumental in the downfall of the cult.

Thanks, thats it.

[Wickedestjr]

I still think Lost Butterfly is town. Not so sure about Seacore.

I

do

think that rewq455 and kunkstar7 in particular could be scum.

[Wickedestjr]

...in fact...

Unvote. Vote: rewq455

[Trilobite]

Dear

kunkstar

, who is scum? (I don't care if your not fully caught up yet, I just want some reads from you ASAP)

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Re: Trilobyte - the fact that Bowser still hasn't surfaced IS quite scummy, even at this stage of the game.

Why is it scummy and not flaky? What are your thoughts on the RC wagon?

Because flakes usually bob up to the surface when they're called out. Especially if a wagon starts. Or they contact the mod and ask for a replacement. Bowser has done neither, although we know parts of it has posted elsewhere on the site. It takes strong nerves and a good reason not to respond to posts directly questioning you.

You're thinking of active lurkers with this. When I say “flaky” I mean someone who has left the game and not bothered to tell anyone about it. That's what Bowser has done. If they were active lurking I'd be with you, but they aren't. The two things are very different.

And thanks for the Spy link up. I will say your vote on him was pretty strange to me, and your follow up wasn't all that compelling either. It feels like you are trying to make safe votes off the beaten path for whatever reason.

Can you explain to me why Bowser over say Andrius or manho ?

I'd like to know what you think of it, too; but I'd also very much like to know what totallynotmafia thinks of ReaperCharlie and his wagon.

We're against the RC wagon and pretty much agree with what you said about his “slip” in that we don't think it is very much of one at all. All in all it feels like an opportunistic wagon when we have much better avenues to pursue. Namely Seacore and LB. Do you think Bowser is a better lynch than RC?

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Auro and Bowser by my reads. Auro stretches and dilberately misunderstands and Bowser is an active lurker who has posted in other games, (bowser is basically CSL from what I can see).

Um no. Bowser has an ISO of 6 posts the last “serious” one coming almost a week ago. This is not active lurking. Try again.

Well I don't think they're all scum, but here's a snap shot.

Plum, ReaperCharlie, AurorusVox, totallynotmafia, Trilobite, VP Baltar, xvart, Furcolow, Fate

Of those, I have a town read on Fate, and an null read on VP and xvart. I have no read (different to a null read) on totallynotmafia.
The rest are bad.
So

Plum, ReaperCharlie, AurorusVox, Trilobite, Furcolow

This is the first I am hearing of your suspicions on us. Elaborate?

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I can see why someone might find Seacore placating his own lynch as weird, but I have defended myself as town in pretty much the same way. I can concede someone having reasonable cause to suspect me and live with it, it is the irreasonable causes that annoy me and get me on the defensive. This could be the case with Seacore here, as well. I'm not sold about him being anti-town. I have noted his tendency to get drawn into arguing with Furcolow though. I can understand the temptation, I get it too, but it is really not productive. I think trying to get Furcolow riled up would be too obvious a ploy for the cult to try, particularly at this stage when pretty much everyone believes Furcolow is town.

The thing is, it's like a sick sense of people pleasing. I think townies are much more likely to get frustrated with things like that. While I don't expect rage posts from everyone, the way he was just like, so sickeningly reasonable eats at me. Zach has some (admittedly old) experience with SeacoreTown and he was much more forceful and had a backbone. He lacks that in this game at least when he isn't poking furc with a sharp stick.

His latching on to the RC case when he had to be talked into it is also sticking out. If RC is so scummy like Seacore's recent posts seems to be suggesting, I would have thought that would have been noticed sooner.

I've liked xvart's recent contributions better as well. The ward thing is actually one reason I'm not voting him. Both Baby Spice and xvart look suspicious, but one of them probably did actually ward MoI. Both of them making the same false claim would be a really long shot, and

I've been wondering lately about a possible Baby Spice/Plum connection.

Details on the bold?

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I'm quite confident that Seacore is town. He's almost up there with Fate and Furcolow. And I hated nopointinactingup's first post, but I agree with Faraday that SSBF's last post before replacing out (with how he volunteered his last reads) looked very townish, so our read on the slot is town.

What has made you confident about Seacore? Strangely I agree with the other reads listed here so I am interested in your read.

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Post 1218 makes me think I am right to label Baby Spice as town. I was being swayed by Hito and her weak transition off furc. But I'm back to thinking likely town.

[Trilobite]

I like wicked's scum reads in those last two posts. I wouldn't be apposed to a kunk wagon.

~Sotty, who also wrote the post above

[Benmage]

Wow... sooooo quite behind at the moment.

[ReaperCharlie]

Oops, one more thing.

Noises/Ward List 1.05 (FINAL FINAL)

Baby Spice

- No Noises (308),

Warded MagnaofIllusion

(308)

Furcolow

- No Noise (12),

Warded El Goosuki

(12)

rewq455

-

Heard Noises

(222),

Warded ReaperCharlie

(137)

xvart

-

Heard Noises

(52),

Warded MagnaofIllusion

(603)

How come it took you so long to claim who you warded, xvart?

You were perfectly willing for such a list to be created and kindly asked for this info from everyone.

Heck, you even put the list together yourself. I would think you'd put your own claims on there as well. And if it was

ME

creating that list, I'd have put my claims on there

sooner

rather than later. I would think you would do the same.

Now, I find it odd that, even though you were so willing to create a list, you were reluctant to reveal your actions for last night. In fact, only TWO players in the entire 28-player game (Furpants_Tom and El Goosuki) claimed any actions AFTER you.

That's pretty sketchy in and of itself.

The fact that you MADE the list makes it even MORE sketchy.

And what's even

MORE

sketchy, is that you claimed to have warded a target that you KNOW already heard noise (Magna). I mean, it literally took 12 pages after he claimed it for you to claim yours (or at least, that's what I'm estimating by looking at the post numbers I've

bolded

and put in

red

above, which say you claimed it nearly 300 posts after his claim).

"Conspiracy theorist smoking gun": I also find it QUITE convenient that 'B' (for Baby Spice, the other person who warded Magna) comes right at the BEGINNING of the list, and X comes right at the END of the list (yes, it's in alphabetical order. I see that). But that is probably just you choosing the farthest possible ward target from yourself, and hoping that nobody would notice. That nobody would notice you conveniently claiming the exact same ward target as somebody else, who happens to be at the opposite end of the list. After they claimed it. After EVERYONE ELSE HAD ALREADY CLAIMED. Very convenient indeed.


So... that makes it questions time.


Why didn't you just claim warding Magna when you claimed that you didn't hear noise, in post 52?

Why did it take so long for you to claim it?

Why is it that you waited until AFTER somebody else claimed warding Magna?

[Fate]

Hey Reaper, how come your play this game isn't irritating me?

[hitogoroshi]

Welcome to the Investigator’s Reference, a guide to help you make the right decisions and get your information out in a way that’s easily readable for your fellow investigators. Because there are actions that would benefit cultists and murderers if they could get away with them,

ignorance of the law is no excuse

, so make sure you read it thoroughly!

Spoiler: What action should I take tonight?

This is a terrible night to take

Cower

or

Launder

. Because you’re not bloody, both of these will give you an insanity with no benefit. Remember, you must claim every action that gives you an insanity, so if you neglect to send in a night action and end up cowering, you must claim it in your first post or you will be lynched!

This is a decent night to

Search

for equipment.

This is a good night to

Ward

someone. If they did not hear noise last night, this will ensure their survival through at least Day Three. If they did hear noise last night, warding won’t prevent a murder or ritual, but it will prevent additional Stalk or Craft Fetish uses.

Do not take the

Rob Grave

option. The town will be selecting their graverobber or graverobbers in thread, and interfering will only get you a needless insanity. This is NOT a valid excuse for having a higher-than-expected insanity count, so don’t do it!

This is an excellent night to choose the

Resuscitate

option. The following players heard noise and were not warded:

Fate
hitogoroshi
kunkstar7
Lost Butterfly
rewq455
Seacore
VP Baltar
Wickedestjr
xvart

Chose your town-reads from that list and protect one, preferably randomly to make it more difficult for the scum to plan their nk. Remember too that the scum have access to the

Greater Ritual

, so don’t worry about choosing a target because “someone else might pick them too.” Stacking Resuscitates can be useful. Regardless of your decision, do NOT announce it in thread before we go to night.

Do not chose to

Investigate.

Investigate resolves before both Murder and The Ritual, so the only people will be bloody are those who got an insanity N0 and choose mutilation – an extremely unlikely prospect.

Do not chose

Stalk

or

Murder

. While stalking and murderering can confirm a town, it’s best to do it on a later day when the murderer wincon is virtually impossible to achieve for someone starting out. All plans regarding stalking and murdering while remaining an Investigator should be mentioned in thread.

If we discover a player who murdered and attempt to conceal such from the town, we will assume they are aiming for the murderer win condition and lynch them.

Do not be that player.

This is a poor night to use

Commune.

It will catch someone who stalked N0, but it will only catch a Cultist who crafted three fetishes n0, which likely none of them did. In addition, it will give you an insanity, meaning that you will NOT be able to find Cultists who are tied with you for insanities. If you wait a night to Commune, you will also catch any Cultists who Participated in the Ritual, while still being able to find murderers. Only Commune tonight if you have a strong reason to believe that your target has stalked N0 and is aiming for the Murderer win condition.

Spoiler: What happens if I get an Insanity?

Insanities happen. Maybe you were killed and resuscitated, maybe you got passed a fetish of yourself. Here are the insanities you are

forbidden

from taking N1:

Hallucination
Suicidal
Sadism
Denial
Mutilation
Distraction
Necrophilia
Paranoid

Having any of these insanities will be treated as a Cultist/Murderer claim.

Remember, you will be claiming any actions that gave you insanities, so

Twitchy

is a solid first insanity for you to take. Twitchy is only detrimental to those who wish to conceal their insanities – you have nothing to hide.

This list will likely be amended as the days pass. Voice ideas for insanity amendments in thread - but do it BEFORE night falls.

Spoiler: What should be included in my first post of the day?

For your first post, copy and paste this code:

Code: Select all

[area=CD2]Username:
Did you Hear Noise?
Did you Ward? If so, who?
Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?
List all of the insanities you currently have:
Did you [b]successfully[/b] resuscitate? If so, who?
Were you murdered?
Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result? (Note that these are both poor N1 choices.)
Twitch?[/area]

Which will give you this:

CD2

Username:
Did you Hear Noise?
Did you Ward? If so, who?
Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?
List all of the insanities you currently have:
Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?
Were you murdered?
Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result? (Note that these are both poor N1 choices.)
Twitch?

Fill this out and include it in your first post of the day.

A few notes. The "CD2" means "Claims Day 2", and it is there to make it easier to find these posts using ctrl+f. Your username should be written exactly. A successful use of resuscitate is defined as one that leaves you bloody. If your target is targeted by multiple kill actions and dies, it was still a "successful" use because you blocked a kill. The "twitch?" is there as a friendly reminder for those who took the Twitchy insanity. A reminder on the rules of Twitchy:

Twitchy - If you heard Noise the Night before, you are Bloody, gained an Insanity the Night before, or any combination of these, your first post in the thread for the Day must contain *twitch* or *twitches*.

Do not post *twitch* or *twitches* in your first post if you do not have the twitchy insanity or do not meet the prerequisites.

Yes, you can *twitch* even without the insanity, but all it does is create needless ambiguity about whether you have more insanities than claimed or not. This guide was written so we can lynch people who give us these kinds of dilemmas instead of having to play the "are they cult, murderer, or just trying to be cute?" game.

If you have any ideas for changes, let me know. If you can't open spoiler tags ever (only negative result I heard was from Furpants, and I dearly hope he's not ONLY playing this from his Blackberry) let me know and I can repost this not in spoilers.

Reads and such coming from me tonight hopefully, though I have other games to get to first. Exciting preview: I can understand BabySpice's point of view (A lack of mention still doesn't trump a specific affirmation, but I can see why she would think that nothing written in "side-effects" would be definitive [even though it's not :<]) so I'll be looking in to other wagons. RC is my bro but I'm getting a serious smell of fake-scum-dignity from 1225 so I'm going to give the case on him a careful look. Getting a pretty powerful town read off of Trilobite (Sotty seems a little too involved to be scum). Curious what Plum thinks about the case on RC.

[El Goosuki]

El Goosuki sends all his/her love to hitogoroshi for his guide to Investigators and baby Cthulhu picnic picture.

Also, ReaperCharlie is absolutely correct. We would be fools not to lynch xvart.

And just yesterday, I was writing:

AurorusVox
totallynotmafia
Trilobite
VP Baltar
xvart
Fate

Meaning that if I vote any of the above players, I have a >75% chance of hitting scum.` I say: ">" because it's not impossible that RC is scum.

-DGB

DIE CULTIST DIE

VOTE: xvart

[Andrius]

Currently only 9 pages behind.

HITO. WHY DO I NOT SHOW UP IN THIS LIST WHEN I

JUST

CLARIFIED I HEARD NOISE AND DIDNT WARD?

The following players heard noise and were not warded:

Fate
hitogoroshi
kunkstar7
Lost Butterfly
rewq455
Seacore
VP Baltar
Wickedestjr
xvart

[El Goosuki]

Hey Reaper, how come your play this game isn't irritating me?

SHUT UP and BUS your CULTMATE XVART NAO

What's this nonsense comment about ReaperCharlie after he's pretty much proven that xvart is scum???

El Goosuki takes no more guff from you, scum.

Type "xvart" and add vote tags IN YOUR NEXT POST.

SCUM. DO IT. NEXT POST.

[El Goosuki]

Andrius, do us all a favor and park your vote on xvart while you're reading.

We need to lynch this filthy cultist.

[SpyreX]

What, exactly, did RC say in there that proves xvart is scum?

GO GO

[El Goosuki]

Also,

someone needs to rez hitogoroshi.

This is important. He may have more plush Cthulhu pictures!

[El Goosuki]

What, exactly, did RC say in there that proves xvart is scum?

GO GO

Cliff's notes: xvart compiled the list of noises/wards, and he waited forever to add his.

And:

And what's even MORE sketchy, is that you claimed to have warded a target that you KNOW already heard noise (Magna). I mean, it literally took 12 pages after he claimed it for you to claim yours (or at least, that's what I'm estimating by looking at the post numbers I've bolded and put in red above, which say you claimed it nearly 300 posts after his claim).

"Conspiracy theorist smoking gun": I also find it QUITE convenient that 'B' (for Baby Spice, the other person who warded Magna) comes right at the BEGINNING of the list, and X comes right at the END of the list (yes, it's in alphabetical order. I see that). But that is probably just you choosing the farthest possible ward target from yourself, and hoping that nobody would notice. That nobody would notice you conveniently claiming the exact same ward target as somebody else, who happens to be at the opposite end of the list. After they claimed it. After EVERYONE ELSE HAD ALREADY CLAIMED. Very convenient indeed.

NO OTHER LYNCH IS ACCEPTABLE.

[El Goosuki]

While not proof, xvart failed to give Elli a town read, and his voting pattern landed him on my short list for scum.

Put everything together, and xvart must die.

[hitogoroshi]

HITO. WHY DO I NOT SHOW UP IN THIS LIST WHEN I JUST CLARIFIED I HEARD NOISE AND DIDNT WARD?

Whoops, sorry! (Only not that sorry because you kind of invited that on yourself by "crumbing" [???] your results instead of just saying them like everyone else.) This has been sitting on my desktop for a few days so I did not think to edit in that recent development.

If there are enough little bits I need to change, I'll post a revised guide before night falls. If it's just that - rez kit havers, remember to include Andrius, but I'm not gonna repost the whole song-and-dance just for that.

Also, someone needs to rez hitogoroshi.

This is important. He may have more plush Cthulhu pictures!

This is truth. Also, if point out errors or bad judgment calls in the guide,

any revised guide editions will be accompanied by new pictures to clearly mark that they need to be re-read

, so suggest pro-town fixes and receive cool new pictures!

(Also, if I die, someone else should pick up the mantle of writing the Investigator's Reference.)

[SpyreX]

Cliff's notes: xvart compiled the list of noises/wards, and he waited forever to add his.

And RC waited even MORE time to say something about it after he's half way up los ropos.

Et Tu, Gooski?

[El Goosuki]

Cliff's notes: xvart compiled the list of noises/wards, and he waited forever to add his.

And RC waited even MORE time to say something about it after he's half way up los ropos.

Et Tu, Gooski?

So what? This is a big game. I can understand for RC. There is no excuse for xvart's delay.

I hope you're not cult, Moonbeams.

[SpyreX]

WELL, see, I can see a few reasons for doing that but I think letting him answer is a better answer than not.

However, go reread the last handful of RC ISO and get back to me if you can still 'understand'.

And you're still pushing on Fatescum which is F--

[AurorusVox]

Didn't RC think BabySpice was scum earlier?

RC

- do you think xvart and BabySpice are scum together, sharing targets?

[SpyreX]

OF COURSE IT WOULD BE YOU SCREWING IT UP.

WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED.

[AurorusVox]

Shut up and let me ask my questions. There's a method at work here.

[Furpants_Tom]

I would say Plum is probably town, she is keeping up, contributing content, her votes are consistent with her words.
What about her making pro-town lists is interesting to you? I would hold that hito makes most pro-town lists, is that interesting in the same manner?

Pro-town lists are useful, because townies normally post their reads as best they can, and scum normally post actual townies with only one or two scum thrown in. DGB's list might be the exception because of its length. Establishing what people perceive as trustworthy about these players is extremely helpful when trying to figure out when their later logical flaws are due to emotion, rather than malice.

Yes, I find hito interesting for the same reasons.

You're thinking of active lurkers with this. When I say “flaky” I mean someone who has left the game and not bothered to tell anyone about it. That's what Bowser has done. If they were active lurking I'd be with you, but they aren't. The two things are very different.

I would disagree with you, but you're probably right. I only just noticed this in his sig:

UT head has limited access until the 30th

CSL head is currently LA until further notice

Can you explain to me why Bowser over say Andrius or manho ?

I hadn't gotten to them yet. Still, I'm more interested in rewq and kunkstar, because Andrius' does post regularly, (although hiscaps-posting is a real disincentive to talk to him), while manho is a replacement and has a good reason to still be catching up.

We're against the RC wagon and pretty much agree with what you said about his “slip” in that we don't think it is very much of one at all. All in all it feels like an opportunistic wagon when we have much better avenues to pursue. Namely Seacore and LB. Do you think Bowser is a better lynch than RC?

No, not any more. Mainly because of his sig. I think that RC is lynchable, because of his off-the-charts buddying and wagon-ridin' (though, as you mention, this wagon is suspect); while I guess I have to downgrade my read on Bowser to null.

Unvote: Bowser