Zachtown in the mountains (Game over TOWN WINS!)

[jasonT1981]

I am nearly caught up.. will be posting this evening UK time. Sorry for the deley, I fell asleep last night.

One thing I will say though.. this is now the second time in this game a V/LA has been questioned. I think it is in EXTREMLY poor taste to question a V/LA and use it to make someone look scummy. In fact, it makes the person questioning the V/LA look even more desperate and scummy by clutching onto straws.

[Oso]

@Zach: Replacement needed.

I hate to add to your replacement woes as but this will be my last post in this game. PM to follow explain a bit of why. Short version:Good news but now have no time to play mafia in the foreseeable future.

I'll take this time to pre-emptively thank all you folks who are playing and to Zach as well. I was having a lot fun playing.

[Sotty7]

I dare you to attempt to identify my case. Go ahead, bullet it for me.

It's damn hard to make any sense out of it, but I gather it is because Percy gave you grief for forgetting something and didn't comment on other people who forgot? I looked though your ISO for the start but I couldn't see it. Break it down for me because what I see right now isn't very good at all.

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That's a hell of a wagon for RVS, and everyone following such a stupid reason to vote. (Ok, a reasonable RVS reason but not to 5 votes) (6 if you count Furcolow) Definately something hinky here and I dare say, There's scum on that there wagon

What would have been a reasonable number for this wagon in RVS then?

?? Open setup, mod only refers to night talk. Why would you think that the scum have daytalk?

I explained this in post 258

Nikanor's comment is hinky but so is yours.
Though since it's mentioned, requirements makes it sound like the scum team have to do somerthing re night talk.

lol

So... It's scummy that we both talked about it. But you will comment on it anyway?

Really?

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Can we get a prod on Nikanor please?

[Zachrulez]

Nikanor has been prodded.

Inactivity timer is at approx 4 days.

[Zachrulez]

Will also sort out a replacement notice for Oso when I get home later.

[jasonT1981]

OK doing my catch up... Let me first address this

Guys, I am really sorry. But I am on V/LA as of now. I am getting an early night and leaving tomorrow morning and won't be back home until Tuesday afternoon/evening.. depending on how late I get back into Belfast on monday night.

cute you can't defend yourself, because you're "v/la"
sure.
for some reason, I don't believe this.

I don't give a crap if you believe this or not.. It is in poor taste to question a V/LA. Zach was informed of the V/LA pre-game and was actually aware I would be away over the past weekend for over 6 months. I went to London to see the 49ers play the Broncos and was away from Friday evening until Tuesday afternoon.

Why don't you buy the perfectly plausible explanation?

and post so I see he is lying. meaning he just admitted to lying.

This is not an intuitive thought process at all.

says it is not an Intuitive thought process but fails to elaborate as to why it is not.

It's easy and weak in my eyes because I have played a bunch of games with Jason. This is how he fails as a townie, he acts before he thinks. As scum he is much more calm and controlled. I don't agree anything he has done today is obv scum at all.

My vote is easy and weak because the meta you have after playing with jason offsite for years points to jason being town. Craplogick more.

Interesting..... someone who has been playing Mafia with me for 3 years... off site as well as on MS... off site played in nearly every game played that I was in offering Meta on how I behave is crap logic? I seriously doubt that.

Making a side note here, Benmage seems obsessed with Percy in his posts.

ill move my vote to RC because i believe he may have been trying to buddy town in his most recent post

unvote
vote: redcoyote

this was his most recent post.... how is it buddying?

Sotty is right on the above post.

I'll make a better post later. I'm a bit tired at the moment. I only came back because I forgot a vote count in another game.

i am not really too comfortable with my RC vote really even
im not sure who scum are
ill take a +10 for wishy washy voting
i do that as town anyways
obviously

lets wagon kaleidoscope ben

fake pandering to town allignment in an attempt to look town, wants to wagon someone yet does not vote them... and says he is not comfortable with his RC vote despite accusing him of buddying.. something wrong with Furs last few posts here. If you are uncomfortable with your RC vote... why have you not unvoted?

Checking the last votecount.

Let's go for Dry-fit...we have till the 12th for D1...we should leave 1 week for our second lynch atleast. A policy on Kscope could be easier to achieve in 1 week if need be.

unvote vote Dry-fit

what reasons for a policy lynch?

IAI:

What is so troublesome about my Jason defense?

I wonder if (one might even say doubt, that) scum Sotty would defend scum Jason this way this early on. Even with the number of mislynches that would make you cry if you were scum, you would have to know to cut bait this early on a scum partner who this much a liability...

So if that is the case, and Jason is scum, that would mean you were townie.

But then Townie Sotty would be honest on her evaluation of Jason's play, that this is typical of his townie behavior.

Let's just say that all this WIFOM has made me think twice about Jason = scum, so I am seeing where this fourth wagon takes us since I already hated the first two wagons...

Aint you the one bringing the WIFOM into the game?

unvote;
vote: red coyote

dry-fit gave a reason why i should unvote. he claimed he will be more active.
I wasnt sure why people would say RC was scum, but I dislike his vote on me and can see why he would as scum.

complete OMGUS

i didnt say you were or i know you are, i said that i am a viable mislynch to you as scum. i am putting someone else at 3 votes with me (you), and i dont care if i die. the town is better off without me even if im not scum!

REALLY? The only ones in this game town are better off without are scum... now tell me, why are we better off without you?

anyways, the only explanation I can see is you scum with dry-fit.

unvote;
vote: dry-fit

bigger wagon on scum > smaller wagon on scum

Is this you admitting your jumping wagon because one is bigger than the other? Weak....

dry-fits recentness, though appearing to be pro-town, is null

WHAT?????? Then why this?

anyways, the only explanation I can see is you scum with dry-fit.

unvote;
vote: dry-fit

bigger wagon on scum > smaller wagon on scum

you know, this stat talk is really getting away from the actual objective of finding and lynching scum. I would suspect scum would be happy to drag discussion away from scum hunting in anyway possible maybe even perhaps lead the discussion away.....

Seems like an attempt to cast suspicion on I Am Innocent without outright stating it. Sneaky.

errr no, I gave my reasons

No matter how many times I read jason's post, it still looks like a slip. And his explanations have not been satisfactoryto me. What am I supposed to do?

you hasve the best explination I have or will give.... if you still insist on making a case on me I suggest you build a stronger one other than that being a slip as you are completing twisting and taking what I said out of proportion and blowing it up. Complete Strawmanning.

I'm considering voting Dry, but I want to see him post some more first...

Thats another one of his strikes...lack of content.

completely agree

Hmm, Jason's #98. Blatant buddy on Sotty

and a vote on town

that includes buddying as a reason.

Note the bold! Vote on TOWN.... now how is BS so sure eh?

Also this is my post 98

you know Sotty, maybe we should try something different

unvote
vote:Elmo

Hes been very quick to defend people who look scummy, seems to know something we don't add to that his post in #81.. it looks like he is seriously buddying IAI

Buddying? I think not....Hell I even voted differently to Sotty

Unvote

Lets try something different.

Vote: Nikanor

Reasonless votes on Nikanor are bad. The reason should have been stated.

Really? Votes for lying and Fake claiming are bad... noted.

Ben, this is your third post whilst you are supposedly V/LA. I don't consider this a good sign.

Trying to make someone look bad by using V/LA against them... you do know V/LA means vacation OR LIMITED ACCESS meaning he can still post by time is limited.

#149 doesn't look good for you Jason. How would a cop know what your role is? Cop would only know your alignment. Yet you go on and on about now realising that it's a mountainous game. Are you trying to cover up your aparent soft claim of a role in a previous post?

Nice twist though, but he claimed day cop

Is it a coincidence that you're already voting him or not?

No, I'm a day cop. jasonT is mafia.

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So getting a guilty would mean he knows my role is scum... see? Very nice twist Baby though.

The day cop thing was an obvious joke in a pr-less game, so why did you take it so seriously and respond like this?

FFS again? Aint we been over this... OK I have NEVER played a mountainous game before and I was NOT the only one who didnt realize... interesting you said this about the others...

I gues like me they didnt take into account the vanilla setup

Maybe they recognised it for the stupidly timed joke that it was.

Why is it scummy for me not to realize, but for others they recognised it was a stupidly timed joke.... lets recap the reactions to the claim and the aftermath of being revealed to be a all vanilla game shall we?

1)

Is it a coincidence that you're already voting him or not?

No, I'm a day cop. jasonT is mafia.

is this serious?

2)

Oh, wow I forgot this game was all vanilla/goon as well. So Nik what was the point behind that fakeclaim then? I guess I'm missing something.

Why is it scummy for me not to realize but a joke for others not to?

Ben, this is your third post

whilst

you are supposedly V/LA. I don't consider this a good sign.

That's because you are a noob. Activity is a town-tell.

The first two posts I can understand, claim the absence then spend a bit of time catching up whatever. But that third post just smacks of you monitoring the thread and deciding to make comment.
Faking a V/LA is a scum tell, as it's a form of active lurking, and that sounds like what you were doing.
Trying to mis-rep a scum tell as a town tell, along with the insult, just makes it worse by a long way.

Still have sixish pages to catch up on, but Ben's response here makes me certain.

Vote benmage

Learn what V/LA means.. Vacation or LIMITED ACCESS meaning he can still post... complete BS attempt to make someone look dirty by claiming they are faking V/LA... poor gamesman ship and scummy.

Typical scummy defense there Ben. No defending your scummy actions, just throwing insults.
About what I expect from you.

He should really have nothing to defend... your talking crap.

Right now I am happy with my vote on Fur... Dry-Fit is still pushing my 'scumslip' as the only thing against me clutching at straws. I see both as scum with Baby being a possible third.

[jasonT1981]

Let me put it this way. jason was being voted by just Nikanor at that point if I remember correctly. That would mean he was at, what, L-7? The game just started. Even if he didn't think the setup was Mountainous, why did he feel compelled to immediately vote him in response? Why did he skip my post? Why the "you are lying!", then, "oh, I see now you are lying". It doesn't sound right. There's too much going on here to sound real.

What would you expect him to do then for it to seem real?

Forgot to add this to my catch up but this caught my eye and I would love Nik to answer this please

[Sotty7]

Jason, give me your strongest scum and town reads in your next post. Just a couple will do, reasons why not expected but welcome.

[I Am Innocent]

unvote
vote: Dry-fit

Sorry dude, I get a town read on ya but we have to move this game forward to give us time for a 2nd lynch D1.

If he flips town, I hope we look at Oso's replacement hard. Here was his last post where he really analyzes the game (underlines added for emphasis).

If he flips scum, well then I suck and it's time I do a 180...

Which brings me back to my main suspect: Dry-fit.

He's pretty much the only one I am getting a definite scum read off of

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Second choice would be Benmage. Not so much for what he has or hasn't posted but rather because the pattern he is currently showing is matching up almost exactly to the scum game I saw from him. Granted, it is hard to have a meta based on one game and he may act like that in all his games but there it is.

I did promise three but so far, I can't find a third person who I'd be willing to lynch today

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And even Benmage is iffy

. It would be hard to justify lynching him just because he is exhibiting a familiar pattern.

[VP Baltar]

Vote Count #13 of D1 P1

Dry-fit - 8 (Oso, Locke Lamora, Benmage, KaleiÐoscøpe, Sotty7, Furcolow, Elmo, I Am Innocent)
Furcolow - 2 (JasonT1981, RedCoyote)
Jasont1981 - 2 (Nikanor, Dry-fit)
Benmage - 2 (Percy, Baby Spice)
Redcoyote - 1 (Mina)

Not Voting: (Lrdwhyt)

If I made any mistakes, please politely point them out and I will correct them.

Deadline for (Both phases of) Day 1 is Thursday November 12 at 12pm CST

With 16 alive it's 9 to lynch.

[Furcolow]

@(backup)mod my votecount says 3, but there are two people on it

[Furcolow]

unvote

reasons:
1) oso is getting replaced out
2) dry-fit promised content
3) i don't care if my wagon is 2nd highest or whatever

[Zachrulez]

@(backup)mod my votecount says 3, but there are two people on it

He forgot to change the number. I fixed it.

[jasonT1981]

Jason, give me your strongest scum and town reads in your next post. Just a couple will do, reasons why not expected but welcome.

Fur
Dry-fit
Baby Spice.

I feel Fur and Dry are clinging to 'my sumslip' and still wanting to push it. BS has come in making accusations of others and once again pushing cases that many are satisifed have been explained. As well as trying to push dirt onto players.

[Furcolow]

so you are attacking your attackers
that's totally town bro

i believe you're a VI honestly
town-vi, jason

[jasonT1981]

Urgh, hit submit insteasd of Preview. IAM I still have slight scum reads on, same as Nik who has somewhat disappeared into the background.

As for town I am getting town reads from

Sotty... I feel quite strong about this, as scum Sotty is quite happy to minupulate my meta to lynch me however as town will be honest as to my meta and past experiences

Ben strikes me as town also as does Locke but he needs to post more.

[jasonT1981]

so you are attacking your attackers
that's totally town bro

i believe you're a VI honestly
town-vi, jason

No, I am atacking those I feel or scum.. or playing scummy.

[Furcolow]

"i feel or scum" ?
I hope you meant are!
Make a case on me, then, because one doesn't exist. Don't just passive-aggressively state I am in your top scum reads when I am a townie. I did the same thing you did, in thinking there were detectives, roleblockers, medics, jailkeepers, whatever...
how is what I did differently from you?

is it because of my wishy-washy voting?
i do that as town.

is it because I voted you at one point? because that's what I think it is.

[jasonT1981]

Oh what BS Fur... now your making me look bad over a grammer mistake on or/are

no case on you exists? Read my big post and you will see why I feel your scum. Passive agressivly state you are my scum suspect? don't think so... I gave good reasons in my post 355.

you really think this is OMGUS? no, I have presented reasons as to why i suspect you as scum

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p2600052
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2606823

[Furcolow]

your #355 on me
omgus, wishy-washy voting

both are things i do as town

[jasonT1981]

your #355 on me
omgus, wishy-washy voting

both are things i do as town

So you keep saying, I see it as scummy.

[I Am Innocent]

unvote

reasons:
1) oso is getting replaced out
2) dry-fit promised content
3) i don't care if my wagon is 2nd highest or whatever

Your unvote is scummy. It wreaks of scum wanting to get off a townie wagon. Plus it delays D1 Lynch 2. We are already 8 days away from that deadline, you're unvote leaves even less time.

#3 is a joke. You have two votes yet. Don't act like a martyr.

There is such a big gap between the biggest wagon and the second that #1 is irrelevant too.

And #2, are we suppose to wait forever.

None of your reasons are solid. What is solid is the two things I mentioned in the first sentence.

We need to lynch people. Any 1) last minute swings to Furcalow? Or 2) do we lynch Dry Fit already? (I'd prefer #1, but not if it is going to slow us down any more...)

[Benmage]

FURC if you don't revote dryfit in your next post I'm voting you and not unvoting until you hang. Enough is enough. You unvoted him for more content...then revoted, and now unvoted for the same excuse.

Enough is enough.

[jasonT1981]

Scum making a last ditch effort to slow the wagon on his partner?

[Furcolow]

he's not my partner
i have no idea as of his alignment
i just dont want to mislynch

vote: dry-fit