Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[kunkstar7]

nothing is certain

we don't need to flip LB, he is cult, what the fuck?

@Furcolow not everyone heard noise. lern2read.

[Furpants_Tom]

Yeah, barring new leads, I'd be ok with a BenMage lynch. Probably he's an investigator, but by lynching him, we keep another investigator alive. Neutral at worst.

Hey Ben, without telling us who you're stalking, can you tell us what you're looking for in scum? What convinces you someone would be a good idea to stalk? I might change my mind if it sounds convincing...

Vote: BenMage

[Furcolow]

nothing is certain

we don't need to flip LB, he is cult, what the fuck?

@Furcolow not everyone heard noise. lern2read.

i know not everyone did, but a lot of people did

[kunkstar7]

Personally I support the benmage double graverob. He is more than likely an investigator, and obviously likes taking unnecessary insanities so it'll prevent cult from the corpse dust.

From VP's list I would substitute out Wraith and place benmage in his slots.

If he agrees with that AND claims his target we can leave him alive for now. @BENMAGE if you have nothing to hide you have no reason to hide your target.

Simply put, AT THIS POINT IN THE GAME MURDERS ARE NOT MEANT TO BE VIGKILLS. THEY ARE MEANT FOR MURDERERS. ANYTHING BUT THAT IS DELUDING YOURSELF.

[Furcolow]

benmage, would you give us a list of your potential victims?
i might be ok with unvoting if your list is $

[VP Baltar]

Sigh, let's not spend another day talking about lynching a prob-investigator. There are several good scum suspects that can and should be pursued. Shutting down benmage with grave robs for tonight and probably one night in the future is going to do more than enough to make it impossible for him to win if he tries to go murderer.

Dispatch: Fate
Dispatch: ReaperCharlie

[Furcolow]

so who killed LB...

[kunkstar7]

@Furcolow, cult can only give out as many fetishes as they possess. This game began with 7 cultists. That means barring other actions N0, they could make 14 fetishes without taking any insanities. That also means that they could only have passed a maximum of 14 fetishes to people. If they ALL opted for crafting 3 fetishes N0, then they would be able to pass fetishes to every player in the game. And somehow I doubt that.

Dispatch: Fate
Dispatch: ReaperCharlie

Previewedit; @Furcolow, like they are going to claim it...

[Furpants_Tom]

Sigh, let's not spend another day talking about lynching a prob-investigator. There are several good scum suspects that can and should be pursued. Shutting down benmage with grave robs for tonight and probably one night in the future is going to do more than enough to make it impossible for him to win if he tries to go murderer.

Except that he's going to pay exactly the same amount of attention to the wishes of the town tonight as he did last night. None. The graves he's assigned will get robbed; but not by Benmage, who's going to be busying killing a townie.

[VP Baltar]

Then he signs his own death warrant and is lynched tomorrow, which will make you a happy kitty. Or, he follows the plan and maybe gets to help the town later in the game. Choice is his to make.

[Furpants_Tom]

If you have anything better on MoI than "he was rude about VV's case", I'm more than happy to change my mind. You know I'm not a fan of his behaviour in Day 1. But until someone sets out a good case for another player being scum, BenMage is a good pick for tonight's impromptu Spandau Ballet tribute performance.

[totallynotmafia]

CD2

Username: totallynotmafia

Did you Hear Noise? Yes

Did you Ward? If so, who? No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions? No

List all of the insanities you currently have: None

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who? No

Were you murdered? No

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result? (Note that these are both poor N1 choices.) No

Twitch? No

We definately need RC's flip asap for info regarding the bandwagon on him yesterday. Fate's may be better to put off until tomorrow so we're not giving cult too many opportunities for corpse dust.

Dispatch: ReaperCharlie

[Furcolow]

night 0 noise:
Andrius
hito
kunk

LB

rewq (Wraith, right?) - passed fetish n1
Seacore - passed fetish n1
VP Baltar
Wickedestjr - rezzed
xvart

N1:
AurorusVox (1714, 1746)
Hito (1719)
Trilobite (1722)
kunk (1729)
xvart (1735)
wickedestjr (1745)
Wraith (1747) [passed a fetish - twitchy]
MoI (1757)
El Goosuki (1760, 1763) [warded by xvart]
Spyrex (1774)
Feysal (1775)
Furcolow (1798)
Baby Spice (1811)
Seacore (1814)
Furpants_Tom (1818)
Triglav (1837)
Totallynotmafia (1861)

undispatch: RC

[Furcolow]

17 people
you learn to read, kunkstar

[Furcolow]

how could kunk, hito, or xvart hear noise on consecutive nights but not be dead or have no insanities?

[Furpants_Tom]

They were probably targeted by occult books, forensic tools or a res kit on the second night.

[Furcolow]

oh, yeah, xvart was checked for blood by el goosuki
that's true
people need to claim their targets on those, then, to dismiss that noise

[Furpants_Tom]

That's not a bad idea, but you should definitely

not

claim what kind of equipment you used.

[Furpants_Tom]

Eh, I guess I should begin. I created noise for kunkstar7.

[Furcolow]

i was about to argue that, but i guess you're right
lack of blood =/= lack of murderer or cult
lack of insanity n0/n1 =/= lack of insanity

[Furpants_Tom]

Precisely. Unless there's something positive to claim, no-one's cleared, so there's no advantage tipping what kind of equipment you have.

[Furcolow]

i am even against people claiming successful rezzes
read stars aligned 2
a fake rez claim really botched it for the town

[Plum]

Dammit Wraith. I've tolerated you long enough. Please hold while I do the requisite:

CD2

Username:

Plum

Did you Hear Noise?

Yes.

Did you Ward? If so, who?

No.

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

No.

List all of the insanities you currently have:

N/A

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

No.

Were you murdered?

No.

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result? (Note that these are both poor N1 choices.)

No.

Twitch?

I'll pass, thanks.

Before I get too involved, Plum, I want your opinion of Wraith right now. Scummy or town VI?

As it happens? I'd like to see the flips on Fate and RC for confirmation, but I'd strongly lean scum over VI. If it IS VI, the Fate playstyle has been taken too far, even by its imitators.

Rereading Wraith in ISO, why the hell does he declare Furc Town based on meta and not touch the Warded/didn't Ward/whatever discussion??? Sets up lynches in the event of an RC flip when he joins the wagon, latches onto Fate's sudden Banmage hate with a vengeance - a spammy vengeance which takes out hatred indiscriminately and without reading at such players as hitigoroshi. Going back and forth on 'both Benmage and Fate are probably Town', 'Benmage has to be killed so that he doesn't kill Fate tonight (despite the fact that given clause one this would result in a net loss of one Townie either way) 'Benmage is anti-Town with the personal vendetta &c.', and 'Benmage is so trying to go Murderer, we have to lynch him now like a virus! Spam!'. The last three are terribad; the last in it's horrid logic given what was explained to him about claiming Stalk Day 1; the penultimate is a symptom of the greater problem of lack of/halfhearted/back-burner'd Cult-hunting from him, the first of the three bad for the reasons indicated in the parentheses. OSCILLATING BETWEEN THEM in an attempt to get Benmage lynched or make it look legitimate??? Damn scummy. Thanks for asking. But basically this is colored most by the fact that of the whole RC/Fate/Benmage mess with the shifting wagins Wraith looked the MOST opportunistic and the LEAST interested in scumhunting for real. And why do you ask, VP, and what's your take on Wraith?

No cult kill last night? So it's likely that someone res'd successfully? Or cult wifom with aspirations of collecting successful res town points?

Last isn't applicable; people who get Murdered and Rezzed get flavor; if they wanted to waste a Rez kit and a kill on a Townie for cred not guaranteed (if someone else claims a Rez on the fellow it's down the drain, and there's no control over that).

Trilobite, are you serious. He stalked N0 out of spite for another player. He stalked N1 AGAIN and this time even REFUSES TO CLAIM HIS TARGET. HOW IN ANY WAY IS HIS PLAY PRO-TOWN, AND WHY ARE WE CONSIDERING KEEPING THIS UNSTABLE PLAYER ALIVE?

Because we

can

control him and it's Day 2. He's almost certainly not Cult. The earlier we lynch the first Cultist, the more easily we will be able to catch the scumteam.

Trilobite, are you serious. He stalked N0 out of spite for another player. He stalked N1 AGAIN and this time even REFUSES TO CLAIM HIS TARGET. HOW IN ANY WAY IS HIS PLAY PRO-TOWN, AND WHY ARE WE CONSIDERING KEEPING THIS UNSTABLE PLAYER ALIVE?

That was my first reaction. But after getting past my anger for the play he made, he's still a terrible lynch.

I don't think so, but that's probably self-preservation instincts. I strongly believe I am his target based upon that he desperately wants me dead, an assumption that is based on his OMGUS vote where he ignored incredibly obvious rules to call me a liar.

Why would his desperation to have you dead result in him voting you with OMGUS if he STALKED you last Night? He wouldn't be desperate - if he needed you dead, he could deal with lynching someone else because he could kill you tonight. In conclusion: Wat? No, I don't think so.

1) Do you think dispatching one or both of Fate and RC is a good idea today?
2) If yes, who do you think we should dispatch?
3) If no, do you never want to dispatch them or just not today?

1) Probably.
2) RC is a bit more critical than Fate; given the nature of the offenses for the Modkills he's very likely to be Town and it'd be more useful to have RC just to make sure so we can safely make some assumptions and analysis of the wagon on him without any taint of WIFOM.
3) It would probably be nice to Dispatch Fate sometime, maybe today. Depends how much Graverobbing we're willing to get ourselves into; I'm not yet sure of that myself.

On my reread of MoI yesterday I was finding his dismissal of the VV case to be excessively confrontational. When VV made his case I do agree that MoI is the type of player that you basically have to hunt by feel because he just snows you with words. Arrogantly dismissing that as nothing seems to be intentionally ignoring his own meta, which I'm sure he's well aware of.

This meta of MoI is true per my experience with him. The word-snowing always sounds logical; you have to use other criteria for analysis there.

Yes, Benmage. I didn't "receive" a fetish of myself last night, I had it all along! Somehow this caused me insanity! Wraith is scum! Somehow.

Come on; Ben admitted he made a mistake with Stalking causing Insanity for the Stalkee; obviously if you're Cult and gained an insanity in the course of your Cultish doings you may have covered it up by claiming to have received a Fetish of yourself.

Since I know I'm being targeted by the cult and am probably being targeted by Benmage, I'd appreciate a pair of rezzes when night comes.

If you just received a Fetish of yourself you're not in danger of being Ritual'd. Nice trying to redirect some Town resources for your own skin, though. Furthermore, a page or two later you prove you know getting a Fetish = immune from Cult Kill the next Night.

I may want Plum robbing too depending on some questions I have for her....

That's fine, but I'd like to hear the questions, mkay?

My primary incentive to stalk and kill is to kill a cult. The second added beneficial aspect is that it confirms me town. Understand AV? I want to kill c.u.l.t. with my k.i.l.l.

So why didn't you wait a Night and then Stalk? N0 you had no information to go on. Fate, whatever your thoughts on him after his actions N0, hadn't done anything by which you could judge him when you Stalked him. So - why?

Yeah, barring new leads, I'd be ok with a BenMage lynch. Probably he's an investigator, but by lynching him, we keep another investigator alive. Neutral at worst.

No, not even neutral at best. Lynch is our chance to kill scum (well, Murder too, but we shouldn't be trying that yet as Town). Benmage may have stalked Town or stalked scum (why so sure he stalked a Townie?). If we give it up, we wasted our best opportunity for the Day. If we lynch scum, we have one dead scum/one dead Town (let's suppose) at Ben's hands and one dead Town at scum's hands (we suppose). If we lynch probtown Benmage on purpose, we have one dead Investigator plus one dead Townie at Cult's hands. Chance at a lynched scumbag/one or two Town deaths >>>>>>> Almost certain lynch of a Townie/at least one Town death.

LYNCHING SOMEONE YOU THINK IS TOWN IS STUPID. YOU DON'T LYNCH A ONE-SHOT VIG MERELY BECAUSE YOU THINK HE'S A TERRIBLE SHOT. You may want to convince him to shoot elsewhere but no. Just NO.

Sigh, let's not spend another day talking about lynching a prob-investigator. There are several good scum suspects that can and should be pursued. Shutting down benmage with grave robs for tonight and probably one night in the future is going to do more than enough to make it impossible for him to win if he tries to go murderer.

Now this is thinking I like.

i am even against people claiming successful rezzes
read stars aligned 2
a fake rez claim really botched it for the town

I got DAMN lucky there. Without that obscene luck it would have backfired really hard. As it is I find it somewhat suspect that we have two claimed successful Wicked Rezzers. Question being - to both of them -

why Rez Wicked???

VOTE: Wraith

Dispatch: ReaperCharlie

I'll wait on choosing to Dispatch Fate; either way is probably okay so long as we can safely plan the graverobbing around it.

[Furcolow]

N1:
AurorusVox (1714, 1746)
Hito (1719)
Trilobite (1722)
kunk (1729) - targetted by furpants_tom supposedly
xvart (1735) - targetted by el goosuki, not bloody
wickedestjr (1745)
Wraith (1747) [passed a fetish - twitchy]
MoI (1757)
El Goosuki (1760, 1763) [warded by xvart]
Spyrex (1774)
Feysal (1775)
Furcolow (1798)
Baby Spice (1811)
Seacore (1814)
Furpants_Tom (1818)
Triglav (1837)
Totallynotmafia (1861)
Plum (1872)

[Wraith]

Plum...*facepalm* Did you deliberately not read my later posts? I now know that I can't be targeted for ritual tonight. But I am fairly certain I'm the target of a certain wannabe murderer.

And as Tom said, Benmage has quite clearly demonstrated he doesn't care about what the town wants him to do. If he did, why in the blazing hell would he have stalked again?

"Krypton is doomed."