Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[Baby Spice]

VV. MoI on Furc is staged, Furc on Moi is staged, or both?
You seem to say both and I am not sure thaat I read it right.

[VasudeVa]

VV. MoI on Furc is staged, Furc on Moi is staged, or both?
You seem to say both and I am not sure thaat I read it right.

MoI's attacks on Furc are MoI's attempts to

look

like he's scumhunting. Seriously, his attacks are HORRIBLE and his justifications are just as bad.

MoI has a lot of experience with Furc. He knows that Furc is a derpy player. However he is incessant in his attacks despite knowledge of Furc's play. He didn't even attempt to figure out Furc's alignment and just kept calling him scum for shits and giggles. I found the bullshit in his attacks.

Add that he cares more about his own image than figuring other people out = MoI is SCUM SCUM SCUM.

[VasudeVa]

PS. Why are there so many votes on Fate's dispatch? Aren't we minimizing the body count to prevent Cult getting dust? I thought this has already been discussed.

Slight FOS on everyone at the wagon.

THERE BE SCUMZ THERE TOO. (Specifically MoI but you get the drill.)

Bigger FOS on VP Baltar

because I remember that he was the one who opened the discussion on minimizing tonight's bodycount and but keeping his vote there anyway. (If he's not, then this FoS redacted. Too lazy to check.)

[kunkstar7]

@Mod: V/LA for the next two days.

Will catch up / respond when I return.

[VasudeVa]

^ AHAH. ITS THE CLASSIC "OH SHIT PRESSURE, SUPER CONVENIENT V/LA..READYY..... ACTIVATE!!" SCUMTELL.

(I may or may not be serious about this post. This weed is goood.)

[VP Baltar]

MoI has a lot of experience with Furc. He knows that Furc is a derpy player.

MoI, do you feel this is a fair characterization? I mean, it doesn't take much to understand Furc's play, so I'd like to know if you feel like you do understand what his style is?

Bigger FOS on VP Baltar because I remember that he was the one who opened the discussion on minimizing tonight's bodycount and but keeping his vote there anyway. (If he's not, then this FoS redacted. Too lazy to check.)

You should actually read the thread instead of just skimming things. Minimizing body count was never an argument that I made.

@Wicked - I think your grave robbing plan works and is essentially what I was proposing, though the town is more likely to see you as more confirmed town than me (obv working from my own perspective). I don't agree about nopoint though. As AV already mentioned, cult would have known their kill failed on you and could have easily claimed the rez safely before you got anywhere near the thread. On the other hand, they may not have claimed it at all. There's too much WIFOM there and I don't have a strong enough town read on nopoint right now. I think we should stick with you and Furc robbing the four graves tonight along with two scummy targets of the town's choosing and then we'll see where we're at tomorrow in terms of pro-town people.

My goal is to do a full review of MoI today because even I admit that the case is a lot of gut (though I think the point on the Furc pushing remains as solid scumpoints). Just posting this so I don't get lazy and let myself slack off from it later.

[Nicodemus]

Okay, I'm seeing Tom's position on the Ben wagon a lot better, and it doesn't really seem like it's coming from scum. Not sure I like all the rhetoric he's throwing out regarding lynching (hanging, swinging, etc.), but that's probably just me being uncomfortable, and not something scummy.

Unvote: Furpants_Tom

I definitely understand the El Goosuki case - this is one of the wagons that I'm thinking about switching to.

I have not been able to look at the MoI case yet, and probably won't be able to until Sunday night sometime.

Re: Benmage, although he is being incredibly less town than the other claimed stalkers from SAII, we really don't need to worry about it right now. Let him make his kill, and if he then shows no sign of slowing, then we lynch him. It's really that simple, and anyone who thinks this is a gambit trying to get ahead is silly, because he has exposed himself so much. Benmage

will

be lynched eventually, just because he's too much of a liability to keep around.

For now,

Vote: El Goosuki

, I really need to see more from this slot.

[Wickedestjr]

Still not caught up yet, but I can't see my reads drastically changing over the course of the last five pages, so here they are (in order from most suspicious to least suspicious):

Top 7 suspects:

kunkstar7
SpyreX
Triglav
manho
El Goosuki
totallynotmafia
Baby Spice

Possible scum:

Feysal
xvart
Nicodemus

Neutral:

nopoint (as AV pointed out, he isn't actually confirmed town)
Furpants_Tom
Wraith
VP Baltar

Might be town:

Benmage
MagnaofOIllusion
Seacore
Andrius
hitogoroshi
VasudeVa
Trilobite

Probably town:

AurorusVox
Plum
nopoint
Lost Butterfly
Furcolow
Fate
ReaperCharlie
Wickedestjr

Vote: kunkstar7

He is such obvious scum. Just read him in isolation. The points against him:

1. He has completely flown under the radar.
2. He tunneled on Furcolow for a large portion of the game and didn't change his vote until page 51.
3. Prior to switching his vote to ReaperCharlie, kunkstar gave no scumreads apart from Furcolow. The rest of his posting had consisted of town reads and theory posting. He has avoided taking stances.
4. All of his votes have been opportunistic. The vote for Furcolow was when the spotlight was on him. The vote for ReaperCharlie was after 8 players had already voted him. His reason for voting RC was very weak. It looked like he was trying to jump on the bandwagon using his own reasons. Then, there was the vote for El Goosuki today which was the third vote on the bandwagon. Considering the sizes of the other bandwagons, this vote does look opportunistic as well.
5. He doesn't give too many reads, but even some of the ones he has given have been bad:

Scum:
nopointinactingup: His point about Magna doesn't sit with me.
El Goosuki, the blatant following of RC's "consipracy theory", as "proof" is crazy.

These are the only scumreads he gave in the whole post aside from RC. These reasons are also incredibly weak, minor, and that is really bad if they are two of his top suspects. His stances in this post are also weak: Nopoint's point about Magna doesn't "sit well with him" and El Goosuki's following of RC's theory as proof was "crazy".

If he's not scum, I'll eat hitogoroshi and VP's hats. And I really don't want to eat their hats.

[manho]

@VV, we need to dispatch fate today, or the bodies will be piling up. we have probably 1 less night kill last night, as there is no cult kill. so today is the best chance to clear up all the dead bodies. if we leave fate for tomorrow, it will easily be 4 or 5 bodies that needed to be graverobbed.

[AurorusVox]

Manho, the way I see it, if there's only one murderer on the loose (LB's killer), that person can't kill tonight (they need to stalk first) so we'll only have one kill "tonight" if cult get around to successfully murdering. So that leaves 3 graves tonight (RC, LB, today's lynch); and then 3 tomorrow night if we leave Fate (Fate, tonight's cult kill, tomorrow's lynch).

Where did you get "4 or 5" from?

[El Goosuki]

Still not caught up yet, but I can't see my reads drastically changing over the course of the last five pages, so here they are (in order from most suspicious to least suspicious):

Possible scum:

Feysal
xvart
Nicodemus

But xvart isn't bloody.

-DGB

[VasudeVa]

^^. Wrong. Investigate happens before Rituals/Murders.

You wouldn't be able to catch bloody scum N2 no matter what you do. Forensics are there for irresponsible lying bloody scum .

[El Goosuki]

I definitely understand the El Goosuki

case

.

Oh yeah?

You should at least be able to point out where you've seen this

case

, I've scanned the past 8 pages and I failed to find it.

Since you say you agree with it, you should be able to refer me to it, right?

-DGB

[El Goosuki]

^^. Wrong. Investigate happens before Rituals/Murders.

You wouldn't be able to catch bloody scum N2 no matter what you do. Forensics are there for irresponsible lying bloody scum .

I had no idea. None of the three of us gave it deep thought, I guess.

[SpyreX]

Remember yesterday when you claimed all right to ask El G questions and made it really explicit that you were working on something with regards to El G and/or I read your mind to figure as much?

Remember that?

No?

Neither do I.

No, not all right. But, when I'm trying to get a response ESPECIALLY about the whole "Ohh yea I totally dig RC" but not mentioning his jumping suspicions and you go "OHH WAIT BABYSPICE IM ASKING THE QUESTIONS NOW MR" (and then ask no questions) its awesome.

I remember that.

No, I said "hey why not kill because OH WAIT YOU CAN'T CULTBAG"

I had resurrecting Fate as part of the plan until the mod said you didn't receive attempted-kill flavour before being resurrected. Once that was made clear, I dropped the plan.

Yea, Ben was your CULT NUMBER ONE NO VOTE GETTING WINNER.

The fact you're able to straight face go "OHh yea I totally KNEW he was cult and thats why I did everything in my power to never, ever vote him D1" is awesome. Its doubly awesome when he's shouting from the rafters murderer-in-training and sure as hell not cult.

Of course, again, I'm not surprised there wasn't a vote on the claimed stalk for being pro town awesome hats because that kinda fits with the motif.

...you are sheeping as far as I can see. I'm not just copying Plum here, because the point I'm making is that SOMEONE CALLED YOU OUT ON IT. It's pretty important to mention that you'd been called out on it once already if you're blatantly just trying to get away with doing it again. It's kind of the whole point.

I'm NOT sheeping. GOD.

If I was I wouldn't have asked OVER AND OVER for one of you reallly tech wagoneers D1 to explain Seacore who is oozing town.

In fact between said lines Plum said the issue is that I wasn't leading sheep. Not that AGREEING IS A BAD THING BECAUSE JESUS MY HEAD.

Of course, if you're gonna sit on a Ben wagon and ignore WHY I'm 'sheeping' this well kudos.

Because, this is the extent of what you've said about gooski today:

For future reference, I can get on board with an El G lynch, but I'd prefer a Ben lynch.

And its time to lay that down after all your indignant well I never garbage:

Am I scum? Am I a murderer? Am I just a tunneling sheep robot town?

What is it? Because, its time to lay it out.

[Wickedestjr]

Benmage is a bad lynch today. The reason for lynching him is to protect a townie, but if he actually is town, we are wasting our LYNCH on a townie, just to save a player that COULD die tonight. Keep in mind the player we are trying to protect could be scum. There should be nobody voting him.

...However, kunkstar7 is a good person to vote. I would like to hear what people think of my points, or alternatively you could just vote him.

[VP Baltar]

Ok, so I've been looking at MagnaofIllusion in iso for a bit now and I'm not going to post some giganormous case and stamp my feet like Vas is doing, but I really don't get where some people are coming up with town reads on him from. The biggest offenses I see from him are:

1) The ungodly tunnel on Furc like it was his day job. This is what really set me off about MoI in the first place because I honestly feel like he was not trying to look elsewhere. I mean, PAGES and PAGES of tunneling on Furc (21 to be exact). He finally unvotes after he believes AV's thing. One thing that is giving me a little bit of stay in my accusations however now that I've isoed and checked the vote counts is that the Furc wagon actually seems to have been gaining a little steam when he bailed. This doesn't jive well with the idea of Magna scum unless a) he thought the wagon would carry through on its own or b) he realized AV had so thoroughly shut down the wagon that he couldn't push it anymore. Magna is probably smart enough to see a turning tide if he needs to, but it's all WIFOM in that regard. One thing I don't like in his stance regarding Furc was later when he said that people who found Furc town initially are scummy...I find it ridiculous, given that Furc plays so damn transparently and several very town looking players (hito, Trilobite, etc.) can see that, that his first statement after the wagon is to call those who saw it early scummy. Seems like a cheap way to discount the suspicion on you.

2) After agreeing with AV about Furc, he...proceeds to vote AV. Now he claims that he finds Spyrex's case on AV "compelling". That's cool and all, but he never really talks about AV or tries to push any kind of case on him. Then I looked at the iso and I think I found the real reason. MoI says that he doesn't like like AV's post 492 in reply to SpyreX's 351. I suppose it's just a coincidence that AV happened to call MoI out on his massive Furc tunneling and vote him in 492 as well. Vas mentioned something similar to this in his ISO of MoI, but it probably got lost in the fighting.

I also don't like MoI's defense of this point at all.

You think I’m not playing aggressively [with respect to AV] when any number of people have attacked me for being too aggressive regarding Furc? Cool story bro.

How is this even an answer to the accusation? Yeah, you tunneled a VI for 21 pages and then were lost for where to go next, so you dawdled and didn't seriously pursue your next number 1 target AV. That's perfectly scummy and say 'cool story bro' is ridiculously dismissive of something that stands out as legitimately scummy.

3) RC wagon rolls up at the end of the day and MoI is an eager beaver to jump on that. We get a fancy pants iso of RC in 1171. I don't know, but I always find these post by post isos to be kind of scummy because people seem to rarely ever give the person a fair shake when doing them. I mean, seriously go back and read MoI's PBPA of RC. Essentially 90 percent of RCs posts are called scummy or fluff. I find this quite over the top by any measure. I mean, maybe I'm wrong and RC will flip scum, but I just find this kind of rhetoric excessive and unlikely to come from town. That of course, is sort of ironic, since Magna seems fond of attacking RC, Vas and others for their rhetorical statements. Now before Magna comes in and says 'ZOMG VAS DID IT TO ME TOOOOO,' yes I realize he did. I think he was being over the top as well, but I also feel like you were winding him up with your antagonism from his original points on you. I still find it scummy regardless, but yours on RC is worse because nothing provoked it other than you trying to trump up your vote.

4) Again today I see almost no direction from Magna in his scum hunting. I see a lot of defending himself and being generally kind of pissy about being called out as scum, but I for the life of me cannot tell you who Magna is suspicious of or wants lynched. I still find it weird that he isn't pushing the AV case Spyrex is still on about. I don't see anything that has changed from that really. Magna, do you find AV scummy or not? If no, what changed? If yes, why are you not voting him?

So, for those of you that said the MoI case is nothing but hot air, this is a good summary of what I see in it. I would like to hear people's thoughts on these points and an explanation from those that find him highly town as to what exactly you're seeing that I'm not.

[Wickedestjr]

I would like Benmage to follow through with his murder. I think an extra player dying tonight (who could be scum, a player that is actually suspicious, or a player that has at least been a distraction) is worth the advantage of having another confirmed town.

Trilobite, read the table again: warded is if a player was warded during the night, not if that player used ward. Wraith, I don't know why you gave me your night action, but I've added it:

Spoiler: Noise, Insanities, Blood, etc.

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Player	Night 0	Night 1
Andrius	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: Benmage Warded: No Insanity Count: 1 [Twitchy] Bloody: No Night Action: Warded Benmage Reason for Insanity: Recieved fetish.
AurorusVox	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
Baby Spice	Noise: No Ward: MagnaofIllusion Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Warded MagnaofIllusion	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
Benmage	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 1 [Suicidal] Bloody: No Night Action: Stalked Fate Reason for Insanity: Stalked Fate	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: Yes (Andrius) Insanity Count: 2 [Suicidal, Obsession] Bloody: No Night Action: Stalked somebody Reason for Insanity: Stalked somebody
Nicodemus/Bowser	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
El Goosuki	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: Yes (Furcolow) Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: Yes (xvart) Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Investigated xvart
Fate	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Equipped Occult Books	Dead
Feysal	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Equipped Resuscitation Kit	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: Yes Night Action: Protected Wickedestjr
Furcolow	Noise: No Ward: El Goosuki Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Warded El Goosuki.	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Searched for Rez Kit.
Furpants_Tom	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
hitogoroshi	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: Trilobite Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Warded Trilobite
kunkstar7	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
Lost Butterfly	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Dead
MagnaofIllusion	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: Yes (Baby Spice & xvart) Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
Plum	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
ReaperCharlie	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: Yes (rewq455) Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Equipped Resuscitation Kit	Dead
Wraith/rewq455	Noise: Yes Ward: ReaperCharlie Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Ward ReaperCharlie	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 1 [Twitchy] Bloody: No Night Action: Equipped Resuscitation Kit Reason for Insanity: Recieved fetish
Seacore	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: Yes (Triglav) Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Warded Triglav
SpyreX	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
Nopoint/SSBF	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Equipped Resuscitation Kit	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: Yes Night Action: Protected Wickedestjr
totallynotmafia	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
Triglav	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: Yes (Seacore) Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
Trilobite	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: Yes (hitogoroshi) Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
VasudeVa	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
VP Baltar	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
Wickedestjr	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 1 [Twitchy] Bloody: Yes Night Action: Reason for Insanity: Protected from kill
manho/wingless	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
xvart	Noise: Yes Ward: Yes (MagnaofIllusion) Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: Yes (El Goosuki) Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:

Hmm... I may need to rethink MoI after reading VP Baltar's post, but I still suspect kunkstar7 more.

[Seacore]

^^. Wrong. Investigate happens before Rituals/Murders.

You wouldn't be able to catch bloody scum N2 no matter what you do. Forensics are there for irresponsible lying bloody scum .

I had no idea. None of the three of us gave it deep thought, I guess.

If between 3 of you, you can't scum hunt and can't perform useful night actions (especially when you have agreed that Hito has produced a helpful list) then please replace out, because you are not helping town.

Fact is, this is almost exactly how I'd expect scum to act in a confusing game like this "You can't blame me for being a little lost, this game is complicated, so don't look closely at me"

[VP Baltar]

I may need to rethink MoI after reading VP Baltar's post, but I still suspect kunkstar7 more.

heh, ditto.

[AurorusVox]

No, not all right. But, when I'm trying to get a response ESPECIALLY about the whole "Ohh yea I totally dig RC" but not mentioning his jumping suspicions and you go "OHH WAIT BABYSPICE IM ASKING THE QUESTIONS NOW MR" (and then ask no questions) its awesome.

I remember that.

How was I supposed to know that you were planning it when you kept quiet about it?

Yea, Ben was your CULT NUMBER ONE NO VOTE GETTING WINNER.

The fact you're able to straight face go "OHh yea I totally KNEW he was cult and thats why I did everything in my power to never, ever vote him D1" is awesome. Its doubly awesome when he's shouting from the rafters murderer-in-training and sure as hell not cult.

Of course, again, I'm not surprised there wasn't a vote on the claimed stalk for being pro town awesome hats because that kinda fits with the motif.

You know what, I've already explained my stance with regards to voting for Ben yesterday. Please refer all future arguments about voting Benmage or otherwise to those responses.

I'm NOT sheeping. GOD.

If I was I wouldn't have asked OVER AND OVER for one of you reallly tech wagoneers D1 to explain Seacore who is oozing town.

In fact between said lines Plum said the issue is that I wasn't leading sheep. Not that AGREEING IS A BAD THING BECAUSE JESUS MY HEAD.

Of course, if you're gonna sit on a Ben wagon and ignore WHY I'm 'sheeping' this well kudos.

Because, this is the extent of what you've said about gooski today:

For future reference, I can get on board with an El G lynch, but I'd prefer a Ben lynch.

Your post when you voted was essentially:
"He hasn't done anything. Seacore has a case."

And you've admitted that you weren't voting him for not doing anything. So all you're left with is:
"

He hasn't done anything.

Seacore has a case."

How is that not sheeping? You didn't even follow up with your epic plan to entrap El G, you just started shouting that you had one. What was it? Why can't you do it now?

Also, I voted for El G yesterday and explained why then. Since he's playing in the same way (and has gone even further with his wasted night action) then my reasons for voting him have carried over since then.

And its time to lay that down after all your indignant well I never garbage:

Am I scum? Am I a murderer? Am I just a tunneling sheep robot town?

What is it? Because, its time to lay it out.

You've gone from town to null, where I could go either way depending on my mood. I'm not going to make up an excuse just to pick one over the others.

Spoiler: What you'll consider garbage (a.k.a. explanation)

I initially took the fact that you only seem concerned with scumhunting me to be a townish manoeuvre because I figured scum would mix their energies between lots of different people. I know that some people believe that you should intensely scumhunt one person at a time, and it seems that people are saying that it's what you do as town anyway. But the longer you've kept going, ignoring much of what I've said, what I took as your conviction has started to look like blinkers. And it's hard for me to read you because (a) I know your case is wrong, and (b) I think most of what I take from interactions with you is playstyle. If I'm feeling particularly paranoid, I could go scum based on your setting-up of subsequent lynches (the argument being that if El G is going to be lynched, you may as well attach me to it); or if I'm feeling generous I could say you're just a townie who's got an aggressive tunnel-like playstyle and is making a mistake in his read.

You said if El G is scum, then I definitely am. What makes you think this?

[manho]

Manho, the way I see it, if there's only one murderer on the loose (LB's killer), that person can't kill tonight (they need to stalk first) so we'll only have one kill "tonight" if cult get around to successfully murdering. So that leaves 3 graves tonight (RC, LB, today's lynch); and then 3 tomorrow night if we leave Fate (Fate, tonight's cult kill, tomorrow's lynch).

Where did you get "4 or 5" from?

plus benmage's kill. and i doubt no one else is going the murderer path.

will be back tonight with some scum-hunting.

[Plum]

SpyreX: A few days ago you were all 'Come

on

, Plum, why aren't you interested in some state-sanctioned Murders already!?' And I was like 'Okay sure, maybe. How about we do it like this' and I had a plan.

You did not respond.

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[SpyreX]

SORRY PLUM I keep getting distracted by something.

Lets make it happen. Help me make sure I don't miss something gigantic in the setup dancing.

---

@AV;

You are going "ALL YOU DID IS SHEEP" but I most certainly didn't baa on that retarded Seacore wagon.

IF I'm SHEEPING WHY AM I 'SELECTIVE' IN IT?

IS IT PERHAPS BECAUSE I AM NOT IN FACT SHEEPING

JESUS

THANKS FOR THE WAFFLIEST WAFFLES IN WAFFLETOWN I WAS HUNGRY THOUGH.

*explode*

[SpyreX]

And Seacore's "El G" isn't a 'case'.

Its not one of those things for being picked apart and argued about.

Going "Ohh yea the three of us who said we read hit's list and said it was awesome opted to disregard that to waste an action."

Which is los garbagios.