Zachtown in the mountains (Game over TOWN WINS!)

[Thor665]

Unvote: Whoever I might be voting
Vote: Red Coyote

I see no reason why people shouldn't have to be begging and working for me if they want this vote somewhere else at this stage. Plus, I like the attention.

[Zachrulez]

4th Vote Count of D1 P2

RedCoyote - 6 (Furcolow, Elmo, Sotty7, Havingfitz, KaleiÐoscøpe, Thor665)
Percy - 4 (RedCoyote, I Am Innocent, Locke Lamora, JasonT1981)
Baby Spice - 2 (Percy, Mina)
Benmage - 1 (Baby Spice)
No lynch - 1 (Benmage)

Not Voting: (Mina, Lrdwhyt)

If I made any mistakes please politely point them out and I will correct them.

Deadline for Day 1 is Friday, November 12 at 12pm CST

With 15 alive it's 8 to lynch.

[jasonT1981]

unvote
vote: RC

With less than 24 hours left we need to decide on a lync, RC and Percy are both scum suspects. I sufggest BS and Percy be looked at heavily tomorrow though.

[Mina]

Thor, you make me

Those were not meltdowns, dammit! They were just one-liners expressing indecision.

Please ignore the worse meltdown that occurred during the pages you didn't read.

I believe in giving less weight to towntells in replacing-in posts, since the replacement often had a glimpse into the town's perspective before being spoiled by his role PM...but awesome. Thor looks town.

By the way, whatever happened to Locke Lamora? He hasn't posted all week.

Going to get ready and then finish a couple of posts/responses today. (Really, the fact is probably response enough for Benmage...but I can't resist.) But after that, I'd be willing to hammer RedCoyote. I think what's tipped me over from doubting myself, to actually believing he has a good chance of flipping scum, was both the point Thor brought up about Red's reaction to jason's claim (I kind of skimmed over it, and missed that he voted jason not for thinking Nikanor had a guilty on him, but SOLELY for not knowing it was a mountainous game ) and this:

fitz, Mina, Sotty, Fur ... they're all effectively saying, in one way or another, that Percy is town because they feel it in their gut. fitz, when pressed, is unable to tell us why he feels that Percy is town. Mina has admitted to as much. Elmo is blatantly ignoring Percy in favor of his narrow focus on me over some technical issue with my play.

This is a misrepresentation. At least in my case, I've given reasons for why I think he's town (his reaction to your posts, for example, and his "contradiction" not being that damning).

And on a side note, my gut town reads are pretty awesome. (My gut

scum

reads, on the other hand... ) Town play often looks very natural and unscripted, so it's easy to pick up when someone isn't playing to the crowd. Sometimes I'll

lean

town on scum for bad gut or meta reasons (and then realize afterward that I missed major warning signs), and sometimes I'll think a scumbag is playing in a protown manner...but often, I'll just

know

someone is town. Percy has been looking increasingly obvtown with every post.

Anyone have a reason I should wait until tomorrow? I know Percy said he'd have something to say in twenty-four hours.

If Red flips scum, then that clears Furcolow, Kaleidoscope (neither of whom would flip back and forth between voting their own scumbuddies all day), and probably Sotty and Thor. That leaves Baby Spice and LrdWhyt. Personally, I actually think LW is more likely to be scum than Baby Spice (and it's a little weird how he's gotten so little attention compared to Percy/Red/BS/Nikanor to a lesser extent).

If Red flips town, I'll look more closely at Kaleidoscope and Sotty (I like a lot of what she's doing, but a few of her stances don't feel perfectly organic, as if she's hedging her bets a bit).

But I'll probably vote LrdWhyt tomorrow, either way. I'm ISO-ing BS, and to be honest, I don't find her scummy so much as hard to read and not the brightest bulb. LrdWhyt, on the other hand...seriously, just ISO him. His only content is 1) saying that the slip on, and 2) a huge list of opinions that seem to come from nowhere and consist of wishy-washy and vague one-liners. He doesn't have any solid opinions. On the off-chance I die tonight (stranger kills have been made), my last request is that you put serious pressure on him. Get him to explain those reads.

jason, I'm just curious. Why do you think Red is "scummy"? I don't think you've mentioned him before.

Well, Red, it looks like it's time for a claim.








(sorry, I couldn't resist. )

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Percy can say his stuff tomorrow.

Hammertime!


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[Mina]

EBWOP: Goddammit, I always hit enter too early.

EBWOPreview: Kscope, at least let me finish my last posts when I get back from my shower. Goddamn it. I have hammer anxiety. I hate not using every single last second in the day. Maybe, um, someone will have a brilliant epiphany with five hours to go before the deadline?

1) By this:

(Really, the fact is probably response enough for Benmage...but I can't resist.)

I meant, this:

(Really, it should be response enough for Benmage that Red is now at L-1 twelve hours after Benmage assured us that no lynch but Percy was possible, because

all

the smart townies knew that Red was town, so you should all vote Percy even if you don't suspect him. But I can't resist.)

Oh, and Benmage, I notice you never took me up on that avatar/sig bet, but downgraded your suspicions from Percy to "he's obvscum" to "no other lynch but Percy is possible." Come on. Are you willing to agree to it? You could use an avatar.

2) By this:

His only content is 1) saying that the slip on, and 2) a huge list of opinions that seem to come from nowhere and consist of wishy-washy and vague one-liners.

I meant this...actually, I'm not going to use quote tags, but turn this into a formal case.

Lrdwhyt's (oops, I've been mangling his name all game ) only content is

1) saying that jason's slip isn't important, but that jason is still scummy

2) then wasting his time by picking apart

one

of jason's posts and make a point-by-point defence of IAI (notable: one of jason's points is that

I am Innocent uses too many statistics to fake scumhunting

--unfortunately, doesn't acknowledge this either way), which ends by him out-of-the-blue saying that

nothing jason's done after that looks scummy

3) not posting opinions on any other player in the game, but adding a throwaway line that he's considering a DF vote, but

would like to see him post more

(*cough, cough* coaching, *cough*), and of course never reacting to any of DF's later posts

4) writing a huge list of fluffy opinions that seem to come from nowhere and consist of wishy-washy and vague unsubstantiated one-liners...one of which is an opinion that

IAI is scummy for overusing statistics

!

Major cognitive dissonance from point 2.

Actually, guys, look at LW's interactions with DF. Thor called Kscope on the same early fence-sitting on DF (and I've been guilty of the same thing to some extent), but it's ridiculous. He almost looks too much like DF's buddy to be his buddy. Goddammit, why did I put off this reread until now?

...You know, it would be so hilarious if we started a Lrdwhyt counterwagon with twenty-four hours left before the deadline.

Oh, just for fun, while I take my shower:

VOTE: Lrdwhyt

I predict chances of this working at 0.17%, but it's not like my vote is any more useful on Baby Spice.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

NO

STOP










HAMMERTIME!



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[Thor665]

@Mina - you having a meltdown is a bit like MoI analyzing vote counts or Benmage being confident, or Fate using capslock. If for some reason I replaced into a game of 20+ pages with you and you hadn't had a meltdown of some sort I'd probably vote you on principal.

Lrdwhyt = iamkingdavid? I'm not sure you're going to get me to try that last minute wagon dance. I see the case there but I feel stronger about the RC slot.

[jasonT1981]

Having major powercut issues this evening... postings will be sporadic depending on electric staying on... its been off and on 4 times this evening so far.

[Lrdwhyt]

Lrdwhyt (kingdavid's replacement) is also worth a look in. kingdavid's reaction to Nik's claim has my ears prick up (spoiler: he buys it), and when Lrdwhyt replaces in he goes after jason quite hard and doesn't commit either way to Dry-fit. I think there may very well be scum here.

I wasn't going after jason, I just thought to respond to something that I viewed as incorrect. And he's the first player on the player list. I was originally planning to make a similar post for every player, but as you can see, I sort of gave up on that.

RedCoyote's voting Nikanor for not pointing out his own error was a dumb vote.

You and Mina have been the only two players to make a big deal over something so trivial. I want to say it's indiciative of a sloppy skim through the game, but I actually think Mina is putting forth an honest effort into her analysis. I mean, you could've very easily put a little trollface at the end of that post. Although I genuinely didn't like Nikanor's start, it wasn't some big thing.

Big deal? Hardly, unless you count giving it a small mention counts as making a big deal over it. It was a dumb vote, why would

anyone

be suspicious for not correcting you?

LrdWhyt, on the other hand...seriously, just ISO him. His only content is 1) saying that the slip on, and 2) a huge list of opinions that seem to come from nowhere and consist of wishy-washy and vague one-liners. He doesn't have any solid opinions. On the off-chance I die tonight (stranger kills have been made), my last request is that you put serious pressure on him. Get him to explain those reads.

I won't claim to have made a solid entrance, but that's because I didn't have time to fully flesh out everything. And I still don't have time, but I'm still going to make at least one decent post today.

1) Meh, that was me correcting somebody, even if jason wasn't in danger of being lynched.
2) I thought it would be helpful if I at least mentioned my thoughts on a few people. Better than nothing, no?
3) Pressuring someone by voting them and telling them you're pressuring them doesn't really work. And pressuring me to get me to explain something is interesting. Why don't you just ask?

And none of that is scummy, just telltale of my general inactivity.

2) By this:

His only content is 1) saying that the slip on, and 2) a huge list of opinions that seem to come from nowhere and consist of wishy-washy and vague one-liners.

I meant this...actually, I'm not going to use quote tags, but turn this into a formal case.

Lrdwhyt's (oops, I've been mangling his name all game ) only content is

1) saying that jason's slip isn't important, but that jason is still scummy

2) then wasting his time by picking apart

one

of jason's posts and make a point-by-point defence of IAI (notable: one of jason's points is that

I am Innocent uses too many statistics to fake scumhunting

--unfortunately, doesn't acknowledge this either way), which ends by him out-of-the-blue saying that

nothing jason's done after that looks scummy

3) not posting opinions on any other player in the game, but adding a throwaway line that he's considering a DF vote, but

would like to see him post more

(*cough, cough* coaching, *cough*), and of course never reacting to any of DF's later posts

4) writing a huge list of fluffy opinions that seem to come from nowhere and consist of wishy-washy and vague unsubstantiated one-liners...one of which is an opinion that

IAI is scummy for overusing statistics

!

Major cognitive dissonance from point 2.

Actually, guys, look at LW's interactions with DF. Thor called Kscope on the same early fence-sitting on DF (and I've been guilty of the same thing to some extent), but it's ridiculous. He almost looks too much like DF's buddy to be his buddy. Goddammit, why did I put off this reread until now?

...You know, it would be so hilarious if we started a Lrdwhyt counterwagon with twenty-four hours left before the deadline.

Oh, just for fun, while I take my shower:

VOTE: Lrdwhyt

I predict chances of this working at 0.17%, but it's not like my vote is any more useful on Baby Spice.

1) I said it wasn't a slip at all. And I didn't say jason was scummy, only that he seemed scummy in the beginning.
2) Would've done it for everyone else, but gave up. False, he said IAI was using statistics to distract others from scumhunting, not using them to pretend he was. That's true. I would've likely voted for jason if I continued to see him as scummy scum. But I didn't.
3) Coaching? I don't believe the mafia has any access to day talk. He kind of died before I could post anything of substance about him. Although I'm kind of wondering why I was considering voting Dry-fit in the first place, as he doesn't seem so suspicious now that I look back.
4) Right, I thought it would help if I revealed my stance on all the players. I did not say that IAI was scummy for it, I mentioned it because I thought it was interesting.


As for today's lynch, I like Elmo's point on RedCoyote using all these large, yet meaningless words to accuse Furcolow. Kind of like what Oso was doing early on when he called RC out on his misreading.
RC's going after jason's slip doesn't make him look any better.

People seem to be voting Percy for his contradicting views on jason/Dry-fit. Reading his ISO, I'm not really seeing any contradictions, just a drastic change that could be attributed to a bussing attempt gone wrong. Or it could also be town. And I don't see any contradictions about his statements regarding jason.

For now, my vote would go to RedCoyote, but I want to see (again) him explain his Furcolow vote a little better. Don't really feel comfortable with lynching someone who hasn't had a chance to post at L-1, either.

[Mina]

jason, can you answer my questions about your RC suspicions? Maybe you missed it because it's hidden in such a huge post.

Thor, that depresses me. I was hoping that my trademark on mafiascum would be something more like "cunning intellect" or "razor-sharp instincts" or "clear analytical mind" or "beautiful eloquence," not being an unstable lunatic. Personally, I thought I was known more for my rambling indecisive stream-of-consciousness wall posts.

Lrdwhyt is imkingdavid's replacement, yes. I was hoping more for people on the Percy wagon to join my Lrdwhyt push. RC peeps can stay where they are. I'm mostly wavering on Red because 1) since I've missed a lot of the game, I feel like I haven't put enough thought into evaluating his long posts to come to an informed conclusion, 2) his long DF wagon analysis was protown, 3) voting strong "helpful" players D1 makes me nervous, and 4) I initially got the same town vibes that Percy did from this:

In regards to myself, I'm a very realistic person, and I'm not in a good position. I put myself in this position by being too headstrong on jason and not open enough to what was going on around me. I'm an acceptable lynch, frankly, and I can't really blame the town if I'm chosen here. I created this post to make it up to y'all for my lack of objectivity in the middle of this game. All that I ask is, if you do lynch me, to go back and comb through this post. These are honest assessments from an honest, dead townie. If you don't lynch me, then I strongly recommend that we go after Percy, Sotty, or Fur, in that order.

...Yeah. When I put it like that, those are kind of crappy reasons. Even the "innocent" quote could probably be faked by competent scum.

But just let me try this first.

I'll respond to Lrdwhyt's recent post in a bit. Still stuff from Benmage and Kscope yesterday that I never answered.

[havingfitz]

Oh, just for fun, while I take my shower:

N.E.I.

Having major powercut issues this evening... postings will be sporadic depending on electric staying on... its been off and on 4 times this evening so far.

T.M.I.

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I need to take a closer look at Benmage. He's so obvtown and the best player I've ever been in a game with. OMG!!!!

I'm certain he is the key to a town victory.

[Benmage]

I need to take a closer look at Benmage. He's so obvtown and the best player I've ever been in a game with. OMG!!!!

I'm certain he is the key to a town victory.

QFT

[Benmage]

Mina your reasoning for not voting RC i 10X stronger than your reasoning for not voting Percy.

You might as well no lynch with me tho.

[Thor665]

So we're lynching Benmage next then, hmmm?

[Benmage]

So we're lynching Benmage next then, hmmm?

I fucking hope so.

[jasonT1981]

Oh, just for fun, while I take my shower:

N.E.I.

Having major powercut issues this evening... postings will be sporadic depending on electric staying on... its been off and on 4 times this evening so far.

T.M.I.

Why, im informing the people in the game of issues that could affect my posting... how is that TMI? Would you rather I just disappear and not post at all.

[I Am Innocent]

My Top 2 still are Percy & Nikanor/Thor

Since I feel that one of Percy/RC is a scum, lynching Red is probably not the worst thing in the world, though Thor's vote for Red with Percy on the hook only reinforces my suspicion of those slots (Top 2).

Red, who do you think are the 2 scum? At L-1 and scum like Percy not on your wagon, I'd like to hear this first.

[Thor665]

My Top 2 still are Percy & Nikanor/Thor

Is this connection based off of Nik's actions as well, or just mine?
Because if just mine - pffft.

Good job managing to proclaim a scum team and also condone the lynch of the day without voting it. Were you really townish between pages 9 and 21? Because I have no idea why you weren't among the potential lynch options of the day.

[havingfitz]

So we're lynching Benmage next then, hmmm?

QFT

[I Am Innocent]

My Top 2 still are Percy & Nikanor/Thor

Is this connection based off of Nik's actions as well, or just mine?

Nik's actions as well.

Because if just mine - pffft.

If you say so. Oh, and nice vote for someone who admits to not reading pages 9 to 21...

Good job managing to proclaim a scum team and also condone the lynch of the day without voting it.

Nice attempt at trying to paint me in some kind of bad light. My post from this past Friday:

Reread the thread:

My Top 2
Percy & Nikanor

Runner Ups: Red, Baby Spice, and to a lesser degree, Furcalow, Mina, and Lrdwhyt

Everyone else, town read

@ Baby Spice, I noticed in Post 342 there was a vote count from the mod (9 days prior to the deadline).

In post 343, you list 5 possible scum, one of which was Dry Fit

In post 345, you vote for BenMage, who as of Post 342, was at L-8. Dry Fit was at L-2. The next closest wagon was L-6.

Why didn't you vote for Dry Fit at that point?

vote: Percy

As you can see, I have not deviated from it whatsoever, except that Red seems a bit more townie now that you voted for him and not Percy....albeit without reading 12 pages in this thread...

Were you really townish between pages 9 and 21? Because I have no idea why you weren't among the potential lynch options of the day.

More attempt at trying to discredit me. Scummy.

Because I have no idea why you weren't among the potential lynch options of the day.

Let me guess, I'm in your top 2 now. OMGUS much?

[Thor665]

As you can see, I have not deviated from it whatsoever, except that Red seems a bit more townie now that you voted for him and not Percy....albeit without reading 12 pages in this thread...

You are absolutely, I haven't read those pages...I admitted openly to that, which is why you know it is true...the point you're making from this is?

Let me guess, I'm in your top 2 now. OMGUS much?

I think you and I disagree very strongly on what OMGUS means.
Yes, you are in my top two.

[Baby Spice]

Ben, what exactly makes you "confirmed" town. Someone saying you were obv town I'd accept after all people are allowed to be wrong, but confirmed?

[jasonT1981]

I see no reason to lynch Ben tomorrow over BS and Percy who are by far scummier

[Benmage]

Ben, what exactly makes you "confirmed" town. Someone saying you were obv town I'd accept after all people are allowed to be wrong, but confirmed?

You didnt see the mod message confirming me?