So, uh, Elmo, other than fluff posts, do you have any
suspects
? Any thoughts on the players off the DF wagon, who you said you'd be willing to vote? What does Red Coyote's flip change for you?
Last week, it also felt as though you were enjoying the me vs. Benmage friction for its entertainment value rather than trying to be constructive. I'd assume that since you're pushing Benmage to accept my avatar bet, that means you think Percy's town, right? Or are you just trying to saddle me with an embarrassing avatar?
(Oh, and for the record, Percy...if you're scum in this game, I am going to be seriously annoyed with you for egging Benmage on to take up that bet. This is the thanks I get for defending you.
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Thor665 wrote:
So...wait, IAI's theory is that I was scum because I didn't vote for my scumbuddy and instead lurked (hoping to get BS lynched? Hoping the Percy wagon would dissipate/go through without me?), and then later came in with defense of said scumbuddy, called him town, and voted the alternate big wagon.
If I'm a ballsy enough scum to call my scumbuddy town and vote the "obvious opposing town wagon" then what in my lurking was scummy at all? The fact that IAI is painting me as both lurky scum and ballsy buddy-defending scum suggests that all he's doing is taking whatever I do and deciding it's scummy. Case is terribad and so is the current Percy case. I'm okay with the Lrdwhyt case, but would rather lynch Baby Spice.
I don't think I've agreed with a single read, or even a single argument, all game from I am Innocent. But I'll toss him a bone and say you
could
have decided to lurk, then shifted your vote to the largest wagon. I'd be shocked if any distancing went on in D1 P2, because scum would have been screwed had they lost 2/3 members on the second day.
But that said, I am Innocent's thinking is ridiculously simplistic. I mean...seriously. I think it's almost a general rule that scum rarely say positive things about a buddy unless he's in a super-good position and widely trusted.
Like, there is no way that Baby Spice and Percy are scumbuddies, for example. Not just because Percy's throwing her under a bus--because he's throwing her under a bus at the same time that she's been kissing up to him and calling him obvtown all game.
Thor, by the way, I have a question. What makes you suspect Baby Spice more than Lrdwhyt? Yesterday, you seemed lukewarm to BS, and actually seemed to like the LW case.
Also, you had a townread on Furcolow yesterday. Out of curiosity, where did that come from?
Sotty7 wrote:See this is another thing that eats at me. Your case on Red was on gut as well right? I don't think I have ever seen such a wordy gut based player before. Normally the people who post walls (which I can be guilty of sometimes) are more logical players. I dunno, it's strange to me.
Off-topic Mafia theory ramble that everyone can feel free to skip:
I've been accused of being a gut player before, but I'm not sure if that's fair. I just think in generalities rather than specifics, and believe rhetorical skill rarely says much about alignment. So I prefer looking at motivations/behaviour/thought processes to breaking down someone's post line-by-line and finding fault with their logic. Also, I probably look more gut-driven than usual because I've been playing so badly this game.
Had I not fallen so far behind, I might have approached the Red wagon differently (paid more attention to the finer details of his posts, probably articulated my suspicions with more than "he just feels off," asked him more hard-hitting questions so as to better read him).
And I usually dismiss gut reads unless I can articulate where they're coming from. I left it at "note to self: read Sotty if RC flips town" because I knew I didn't have anything on you but niggling paranoia at the back of my mind. (All the people suspecting you and treating you like a master scum player didn't help.
) Writing that long explanation of my thought process helped me get my opinions in order, and made me realize that I'd imagined half of what I disliked.
Sotty7 wrote:Red then went on to backtrack/lie with his case on me. He misrepped the exchange with IAI as a slap fight which he recanted once I pushed him. He also tried to claim I never explained my town reads when I had.
Does "slap fight" have a negative connotation on this site that I'm missing? I just read it as a colourful synonym for "back-and-forth" or "kerfuffle" or or "clash"--which, um, was pretty much what your [BLANK] with IAI was. It seemed weird to me that you assumed he was mischaracterizing you.
But I missed the town read thing. Okay, following those links, I see where you're coming from on that.
Also, all I meant by the "late to join the wagon" comment was that you weren't the first to voice suspicion of Red or vote him--in all your examples, at least one other person had already attacked Red...although in hindsight, it's a bit unfair, since there can only be one first vote on any wagon.
I've felt a lot better about her posts today (the kind of things she's asking me and noticing about my play look natural, as though she's genuinely trying to figure out my alignment), so I am officially removing the question mark beside Sotty's name in the town column. I'd rank her as more townish than Percy and Elmo right now.
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EBWOPreview: And hilariously, I may have given more fodder to Baby Spice's theory that Sotty and I are...um, I dunno. Are we distancing? Is one of us trying to appease the other by voting for her suspect so as to say, "See? See? Don't pressure me because I like your suspect!" And yet...because one of us must be scum, that absolutely makes Lrdwhyt even more likely to be scum because...because...I dunno, everyone knows scum are more likely to vote for their buddies over another viable wagon even when they can't afford to bus?
Okay, I should be happy that you're voting Lrdwhyt, but obvious badly-justified opportunistic wagon hop is obvious.
