Reckamonic's Ocarina of Time Mafia..OVER! Was Hyrule saved?

[zwetschenwasser]

Take: Frog

[Chronopie]

The frog is pointless. I have nothing to hide.

I assume the one last night (last VC yesterday), would have mentioned any night actions I would have made, of which there are none.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not quite true. It would say any future Night Actions you will make since getting the frog.

Note: Chrono is confirmed not to be Boss-scum, by exilon's report.

[Kdub]

Wait, didn't jmj claim responsibility for the frog yesterday? He's dead now, so there must be another player with the frog ability?

LL: As a result of the shift, Exilon targeted Chrono but actually investigated Substrike.

[AKnottedRope]

PLUSHIE: "I will end you."

Uh huh...

[Chronopie]

Some In-u-end-o maybe?

[Beefster]

Ythan you are the antitown one, it is bad to be so rude to people. but im thinking your town still even tho your bein an ashole

Ythan is being Ythan. Rudeness is a nulltell. You have to look at other stuff to get the big picture.

Drippingolfball, i dun get what you mean by all the points and the colors. can you explain it more for me plz? Im happy i have a vote so i can help lynch scum now, its akr and probly mothrax, i think dtmaster is right about him

I don't really get it either. But it looks pretty legit. Vote analysis is a great tool.

i still think its bad to claim so early, i thought you were supposed to claim at l-1, why do yuo guys think i should claim so early?

Remember what happened day 1? We HAD to go with a policy lynch because there was NO time to shift over to a better lynch candidate. If Gandalf/Shotty would have claimed earlier, we would have avoided that.

[Knight of Cydonia]

"I don't get it, but it looks good." Jesus fucking Christ.

Also: just because our lynch was forced Day 1, does not give us an excuse to break from normal guidelines on claiming. That said, L-2 is generally better in large games, to prevent quickhammers or mishammers. Just saying.

[DTMaster]

Sorry. I've been away (can't post fully till friday), except Beefster now is scum. Read the following posts starting on page 73: Link Here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... start=1800

Ok we are at L-2 here is our role PM

Friends are a nice thing to have... Heh, heh. Could you be my friend, too? Eh-hee-hee... You have the same smell as the fairy kid who taught me that song in the woods...

Welcome to Ocarina of Time Mafia,

GandalfIzSik

. You are

Skull Kid

. You’re an odd little creature, and you’re terrified of adults. In fact, you’d rather just spend your days playing in the forest...but with the evil that now threatens to overtake Hyrule getting to be more of a problem, you figured it’s time to stop pussyfooting around and take a stand to save your land!

Race:

Verdant Skull Kid

Faction:

Hero

You are a

Bulletproof Area of Effect Magnet

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Child of the Lost Woods

- After spending so much time in the Lost Woods, you’ve learned to melt into the shadows. You are unaffected by normal kills.

Active Abilities:

Mind-Altering Melody

- At night, you may target three players that are next to each other on the player list in the opening post. All actions these players use will be redirected to you for the night.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per phase.

Win Condition (Hero):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Hyrule is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 53&start=0

I meant to post this earlier, but I sent it to reckanomic instead >.<

How is that role supposed to be pro-town? I highly doubt there would ever be 3 adjacent scum players. (It's highly unlikely) To me it seems like it would end up doing more harm than good because it will most likely be targeting 3 town, possibly 1 scum, probably not any more than that. It's basically a mass (fail) roleblocker.

Ythan you are the antitown one, it is bad to be so rude to people. but im thinking your town still even tho your bein an ashole

Ythan is being Ythan. Rudeness is a nulltell. You have to look at other stuff to get the big picture.

Drippingolfball, i dun get what you mean by all the points and the colors. can you explain it more for me plz? Im happy i have a vote so i can help lynch scum now, its akr and probly mothrax, i think dtmaster is right about him

I don't really get it either. But it looks pretty legit. Vote analysis is a great tool.

i still think its bad to claim so early, i thought you were supposed to claim at l-1, why do yuo guys think i should claim so early?

Remember what happened day 1? We HAD to go with a policy lynch because there was NO time to shift over to a better lynch candidate. If Gandalf/Shotty would have claimed earlier, we would have avoided that.

Why harro there: beefster thought Gandalf was scummy because of his role. I addressed this earlier Here

How is that role supposed to be pro-town? I highly doubt there would ever be 3 adjacent scum players. (It's highly unlikely) To me it seems like it would end up doing more harm than good because it will most likely be targeting 3 town, possibly 1 scum, probably not any more than that. It's basically a mass (fail) roleblocker.

I found this post odd now. I read GIS' role and the above argument sounds like:

This role has anti-town, as most pro-town roles have anti-town elements (i.e. town RB, town doc, CPR doc, cops that are not sane, jailkeepers, vigs, etc) rather then this claim sucks and it's scummy. The purpose is to self direct kills to his bullet proofness (which is the second one claimed in this game lols). It can also direct actions. It doesn't stop cop investigations, nor role blocks, nor whatever.

This role actually makes more sense as a role that a townie could epiclly use to save the town or hurt the town (hence double edge sword). Much like Chess' claim. I don't see why this role = scummy when your arguments show how it fits in the town really well as a role that could do good or bad things depending on how you use it.

Did you see how Beefster just distanced himself from the Gandalf wagon because he said it was policy? Complete lies

He called Ganadlf scummy. He said that based on Gandalf's role

it was a legitimate reason for Gandalf's scumminess

. This wasn't a policy lynch, Beefster said Gandalf was scum.

We caught scum people. Case. Point. Match.

Lynch this man now.

Vote Beefster

[DTMaster]

Ah. Sorry about that ck3 vote earlier. I was like 4 pages before the cop claim/check in my reading.

I also just saw some of my predecessors arguments against GIS, namely this one:

GIS is REEEEEEACHING to try to revive the Chesskid wagon after it's finally died. Probably scum.

So I'm on page 21 and wondering why there's a page 22.
Here are the possibilities, in order of likelihood:
1. Chess is scum, telling the truth about his role. He knows he'll be lynched tomorrow if he's not today, so he'll use his ability tonight, no question. Not to mention, he's scum, so. INSTALYNCH MATERIAL.
2. Chess is scum, lying about his role. He's scum. So. Also, don't rule this one out because chess couldn't come up with that fakeclaim. Dram always has QTs open during daytime, so a scumbuddy could have done it, no problem. INSTALYNCH MATERIAL
3. Chess is town, telling the truth about his role. He needs to die, or he'll OMGUS with his role. INSTALYNCH MATERIAL
4. Chess is town, lying about his role. He's retarded. INSTALYNCH MATERIAL.

So useless! Scum.

Why me? on post 885

Cases are scummy

General Active Lurking

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JABOC attacks only active lurkers around post 889

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Now on page 42.

To reinforce the idea, the above quote shows that Beefster thought Chess was scum. Beefster is trying to get Aikage to claim.

It's not townie to distance yourself from your original arguments, nor entirely

lie about your stance against Gandalf

. Beefster stated he felt that Gandalf is scum, now he's twisting the Town flip from Gandalf for an Aikage claim.

Classic scum-rolefishing to find out Aikage's role.

If Beefster does flip scum, Aikage is probably not of the same faction. Considering that Beefster is trying so hard to find out about Aikage's claimed kill, it makes Aikage look good (a bit terrible game play for mafia).

If you read between the lines: It totally reads as Beefster seeing Aikage as a threat with the great amount of twisting he did on his Gandalf stance from Day 1 to now in his most recent post.

[DTMaster]

Also if you compare the dates. Gandalf claimed on the 22nd. The deadline was the 24th. Moving 13 votes over 2 days while improbable, isn't impossible.

[Bunnylover]

so your case on Beefster is that he is trying to distance himself from the GIS lynch by lieing about his reason for been on the wagon?
Sorry I got kinda lost in your posts.

[DTMaster]

Beefster said that Gandalf's lynch was a result of policy lynching. But Beefster clearly stated originally that he thought Gandalf was scummy. Beefster is showing a disconnect by saying it was a policy lynch over a scum lynch. Thus the jist of the case is:

Because Beefster says that Gandalf's lynch was based on policy, this is not a town mind set since he is distancing himself from the wagon. The majority of the people thought Gandalf was scummy. As a towns person, even though the lynched a useful PR, the player himself was scummy and it was a town derived kill on a scum-suspect (which narrows down who they think is scum).

When Beefster mentions that it's policy and Aikage should claim because Gandalf didn't claim on time, this isn't a town mindset to scum hunt. It reads as role fishing because when a person doesn't claim, it's another nail against their target (for their case). Also when Beefster said that claiming would have avoided a Gandalf lynch, that's completely a lie because Beefster said that the claim was scummy in it self based on it's role.

So Beefster showed 2 cases of lying (on why gandalf was lynched, and that the lynch could be avoided), 1 case of poor argument (which reads as role fishing), and shows signs that his actions are more scum derived and townie derived when you question his posts with: What's the purpose of the question he's asking/What's the purpose of the statement he posted.

[DTMaster]

If you look at the post alone with the Aikage point, the whole thing is invalidated with the posts I quoted.

If you consider that Gandalf flipped town, its "psychologically" bad to be associated with that since scum would know this and would be eager to jump on the wagon. Obviously though, there were legitimate reasons and the wagon went through. But Beefster doesn't mention any of those.

Cross checking Beefster's behaviour back on Day 1 clashes with the statement he posted on Aikage.

[DTMaster]

Afiak: If I'm not clear here's it simplified:

If Beefster thought the wagon was policy based

he wouldn't call Gandalf scummy

. He would say that this wagon was a policy based wagon and he had other scum reads that were stronger.

[DrippingGoofball]

I find Nameloc townie because of his claimed role

and he wanted to do a suicide PR plan that involves himself

. Vezok I find mildly scummy enough to keep tabs on. AKR I need to reread. Ythan I also need to reread.

Why is nameloc the vote leader then?

[DrippingGoofball]

Also, no one has told me what

"Fluffy", "Bridget", A Flying Pot, Peahat, Tektite

are. I just realized that these are the nameloc voters. Disregard my previous post.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Those are, uh, post restriction penalties? They call for extra votes on Mafuyu (and whoever replaced mafuyu)

[DrippingGoofball]

So nameloc/Mafuyu has a post restriction? Mmmm, recalling DTMaster's comment about nameloc having a suicide plan, plus a post restriction, this player slot is probably town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We've determined this in the past already.

More Chronopie votes please?

[DTMaster]

Immediate responses:

@ABR
1. Lovers scum is still possible. The fact that there is an entire setup called Lovers Mafia should be a hint, and it's a mini normal game. You haven't had any proof to show that these two are SKs.

Only scum could determine that because they would know more about the factions

then the town.

2. I still don't understand why there couldn't be "boss scum" within the neighborhood. This assumption assumes an uneven distribution of scum to neighbors (which is possible) which lacks any mirroring. Based on Chrono's statement Substrike provided an identical claim to the rest of the sages showing that scum would be given fake claims. Heck, as a mod I'd put the person's real role as their target, and make their fake claim be the lyncher to their target for lols and giggles for situational irony.

It's sloppy to auto clear the unconfirmed block. Scum hunting within the neighborhood should still be done while we focus on our main cases.

@JMJ's claim
Jmj did not claim frog. However he did claim some important information. When we mass claim, I want people to reread my earliest statement about the frog user since a few criteria make sense from a motives POV that could clear X person. Unfortunately, this frog won't catch scum (as I think the frogger suspects chrono) since the frog actually deters scum from actions since it's a public ability. (Shame, it's not sneaky). Oh wellz, information is still good and the motives are there to pretty much clear the frog player.

@DGB
Here's the post to reinforce my read on Nameloc.

Whew, I'm not doing another mass read through again, that's for sure!

I don't like Ray's being dedicated to the substrike lynch and then jumps to the BE lynch. I wouldn't mind having Ray be vigbait especially if substrike is town.

I wondering if BE is a LLD lyncher...BE can you provide a "up-to-date" case on LLD? You're insistence on her lynch is very disturbing.

Question for DTM: How does CK's targets make them "autotown"? Explain.

Jmj, are you claiming responsibility for the frog-snitch?

Hey y'all just want to add: if anyone is worried about my "extra" votes going into a later round, I know a way to fix this without wasting a lynch or vigshot on me. Granted this may be looking to far into the future, but as long as LLD is around later, I can use my night ability on her and suicide. Keep this in mind for future reference, so I can use my ability and get rid of myself at the most opportune time.

I'll do more analysis later.

Hey guys, anybody think that my five unremovable votes would be a danger tomorrow? Or could I wade it out for now? As soon as I need to, I'll target LLD with my nightability so as to suicide.

Ray, the opportunism I saw is that you jumped from the leading bandwagon after being almost CONVINCED he was scum. If you happen to be substrike's scumbuddy, then you just attempted to distance yourself without committing to the lynch. It just didn't appear to be a natural jump from one bandwagon to the other. I just doubt ONE post by substrike would make you change your mind about him. That's all.

I'll try to squeeze in an analysis post on BE and Rayfrost before deadline.

@Nameloc
As much as I dislike the perm-self votes, your situation causes a sticky mess as we approach the endgame. I rather keep you for the town-read, but game play wise I kind of want you dead since Nikanor was the PGO, not LL. Your insistence on dying makes it tough, but for now

do not obtain more votes on yourself

.

These next couple of days become critical since Aikage is voteless and you have selfvotes, thus I realize that town is in more dire straits if a faction controls a good amount of votes. If both you and Aikage are town, then we have 1 less vote to use and we have essentially a public weak townie.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

He didn't know Nikanor was the PGO. He only knew that I was the one who claimed PGO.

[DTMaster]

Bunny, there is a big difference between lurking and active lurking. Lurking for example is what I did through the first two days and is a null tell.

Active lurking is posting contentless fluff

in excess

which is a scumtell. Also thanks for playing the newbcard. Newb scum don't buss and your avoidance of the sub wagon reeks of newbscum.

Vote:bunnylover

Also found it ~<3 Read the parts in red above. Someone just admitted to lurking for the first two days. Totally lots of scum points here.

[DTMaster]

@LL
Um, exactly, because Nikanor is dead Nameloc can't suicide. Thus: Nameloc's plan is down the drain and his status as weak townie is a danger to us. However his response to your claim makes him townie because he wanted to do a suicide plan.

I want my town read to live, I don't want the weak townie role to stay. Thus I don't want more self votes being inflicted on Nameloc as a compromise between the two to minimize the danger of scum quick hammers in the endgame. Nameloc will live because of his role as a weak townie. Thus we approach lylo with the danger of a quick hammer.

[DTMaster]

Guys: assuming that Nameloc is town, and if there is a full faction of scum left, scum can start as of now quick hammering. If there is 4 aligned scum, and 9 votes is the threshold, that means that scum can end the day at any time.

ABR: Do you still think there is a full 3rd faction of scum left?