Reckamonic's Ocarina of Time Mafia..OVER! Was Hyrule saved?

[Aikage]

Aikage, please answer the following:
1) Can you confirm with the mod whether your submitted actions were valid or not?
2) Can you give the same invention more than once? Your role PM isn't quite clear on this point.
3) Why did you think Ythan was town? What made you assume that Invention A would specifically kill scum instead of just killing anyone you targeted?

There doesn't seem to be much support for a Bunny or Chrono lynch, so I am receptive to a Beefster or zwet lynch today if that's where we're headed.

1-i pmd reck each night and he nevber said anything to me. i can ask him though but i dont understand what you mean by valid? im an inventor so i used valid actions? i dont get it what you mean
2-yea i can i gave invention a both times
3-i though invention a was bomb at first that killed people, but then when ythan didnt die i thought maybe it only makes people kill themselves if thye are killer. like a mirror shield and fate shott himself and ythan cant shot so he didnt die.

[Aikage]

Aikage, please respond to this.

i think deadlines is soon and i can vote whoeverr has more votes from these two, but tonight i am going to try and kill chronopoie ior morthraz

This is related to the questions I asked you in the post linked above, but how are you planning to kill anyone at night when your ability as claimed is a day action?

and i am triyn to decide but i wont say it here what i am doin tonight, just what i am thinkin. not sure if i should try and find out what invenstion A does or stick to the fact it killed fate and tryit on scum befor i die. because if i find out what it does the same night i die thats stupid!! i shuld try to get one more invention out there first

[Bunnylover]

Aikage, you have two powers.
During the day: You can give an invention away.
During the Night: You can discover what one of your invention does.
According to your pm, you can not give an invention away during the night. To confirm this, I would ask the mod about it. While your asking the mod about it, give one of your inventions away.

Preview Edit: If you give Invention A away during the day, then the person who recieves it can tell the town what it did even if you die (I believe that works). During the night you can investigate it, as I'm not too sure scum will want to shoot a person who is confused by their own role and hasn't used it properly.

[Kdub]

1-i pmd reck each night and he nevber said anything to me. i can ask him though but i dont understand what you mean by valid? im an inventor so i used valid actions? i dont get it what you mean

Yes, I am asking you if you can check with the mod to see if your actions on N1 and N2 were received and processed.

2-yea i can i gave invention a both times

"Both" times? As in, you can give an invention twice, but not more than that? Your role PM says nothing about this, how do you know?

3-i though invention a was bomb at first that killed people, but then when ythan didnt die i thought maybe it only makes people kill themselves if thye are killer. like a mirror shield and fate shott himself and ythan cant shot so he didnt die.

Here's my problem with this:
You target Fate N1 (ignore the day/night ability thing for the moment). Fate died. Your conclusion? "I killed Fate."
You target Ythan N2 with the same ability. Ythan doesn't die. I think any reasonable person would consider things like a roleblock, protection/immunity, or even the possibility that their N1 action wasn't responsible for Fate's death at all. Yet, you somehow made the leap to the conclusion, "Ythan is town" using the logic quoted above. That seems like convoluted logic to follow.

Your claim, as posted, seems believable on its own, but there are enough questions and discrepancies that have arisen that I think you need to confirm your ability today.

[Knight of Cydonia]

i think deadlines is soon and i can vote whoeverr has more votes from these two, but tonight i am going to try and kill chronopoie ior morthraz

This, right here? This is why I'm not taking my vote off Aikage.
He's claimed a Day action, and is instead saying "tonight i am going to try and kill chronopoie ior morthraz"

Mod: Can you PLEASE consider replacing Aikage, he clearly doesn't have the understanding and ability to play in this game.

[Knight of Cydonia]

EBWOP: Also, if he really thinks he can kill people at night, AND is town-sided, AND believes I'm scum for voting him... why not try and kill me? Why Chrono or Mothraz?

[Albert B. Rampage]

"Not that I particularly agree with anything about his supposed scumslip argument or anything, I just feel he is scummy in general"

Stellar

reasons to vote me, guys.

But you are. For awhile now.

Please, detail exactly how I'm scummy.

I think you're the mafia because of a number of little reasons.

In anycase, can we have some Chrono votes?

I don't like this claim about Twinrova still being alive. I think Chrono is Poe scum.

Given that the Witch Sisters have to combine to form Twinrova, I doubt Twinrova is actually alive. Does smell a bit like trying to throw us off the scent.

Chronopie claimed that he would receive powers and be barred from the temple if Twinrova died, but he claims the mods confirmed that he did not in fact fulfull his activation requirements. So from your point of view, he's either lying, the mod is lying, or Twinrova is alive. And then you continue to cast suspicions on the sages but you vote Aikage.

I'm fairly sure that we don't have a town vs. town situation, given the claimed targets of the sages so far. Not entirely sure how a Beefster lynch would answer the question anyway.
Honestly, Beefster feels... faily towny to me, especially gaining points for the shift analysis... but I'm hesitant to call him a full town-read.
Aikage, however, has been stalling his claim having softclaimed for far too long, and needs to do so. An Aikage wagon is the way forward.

Vote: Aikage

It doesn't add up to me. I don't like the timing of this vote either. It feels like you got late to the party and didn't hammer in time.

Your general posting is congruent with someone that wants to get the day over with without finding scum.

The slot is quite scummy as well.

jen only voted for one player, GIS, and very late in the wagon.

The one person I have the most confident read on will not be the lynch today (Zoneace), but I think the cases on Gandalf and Substrike are both strong. I'm choosing to

Vote: Gandalf

. The many contradictions in his play are impossible to ignore, hydra or not.

She posted a lot, but besides her first vote -that she herself dismisses as too early in the game- and her self-vote, she only voted for GIS, 10th on the wagon. She talks, a lot, about verdant and non-verdant, whatever, repetitive trivialities, the fact remains in all her posts and her arguments and her attacks, she only ganged up on someone at the end of the wagon, much like you did, KOC.

I don't like the general trend and that's why I'm voting you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

1. I dislike the KoC votes because KoC is acting like the devil's advocate.

You think he was acting as the devil's advocate when he placed Aikage at L-1?

[mothrax]

Aikage: I said nothing about millers. Also I was commenting on the flavor of your pm and how a few well placed word changes would make it for scum.

[Beefster]

HOLY CRAP! There's still a shift! I just got an invalid target PM from Reck. Someone else is pulling the strings.

This may sound crazy, but I've been thinking... Could BE have had a role that allowed him to flip anything he wanted? I've heard of this happening before. (Though it might have been a bastard game; I can't remember) Maybe he's actually in kahoots with the real shifter and pulled a flip gambit. Have any sages been unsealed?

[Chronopie]

Dram's CEBM had a self-flip manipulator (StrangeCoug). And no, No sages have unsealed. But Substrike was a scum-imposter, and Rayfrost flipped town (with a awesome role on Unseal).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

HOLY CRAP! There's still a shift! I just got an invalid target PM from Reck. Someone else is pulling the strings.

This may sound crazy, but I've been thinking... Could BE have had a role that allowed him to flip anything he wanted? I've heard of this happening before. (Though it might have been a bastard game; I can't remember) Maybe he's actually in kahoots with the real shifter and pulled a flip gambit. Have any sages been unsealed?

Occam's Razor. Not likely.

[Bunnylover]

HOLY CRAP! There's still a shift! I just got an invalid target PM from Reck. Someone else is pulling the strings.

This may sound crazy, but I've been thinking... Could BE have had a role that allowed him to flip anything he wanted? I've heard of this happening before. (Though it might have been a bastard game; I can't remember) Maybe he's actually in kahoots with the real shifter and pulled a flip gambit. Have any sages been unsealed?

What if it isn't possible for you to remove the votes?

[DrippingGoofball]

I have no idea what is going on anymore...

[DTMaster]

1. ABR: Putting KoC at L-1 is just as bad as 80% of the votes on Aikage. However since the majority of players have decided the wagon isn't viable, it's sub-optimal to put yourself on the spot light to attack Aikage.

So I dislike the vote, but I see the push in this direction. Besides, KoC provided

legitimate reasons for his concern

and they are just as valid as my hypo-newb theory. Unlike Mothrax who's pulling claim quotes to show scum slips (Ihmo which is weird in itself), he's doing the Kdub method and analyzing the method and general logistics of Aikage failing to submit correct actions.

The sudden drop out and shift to KoC/Beef also gives me the willys (but we are dealing with multiple factions).

Ihmo KoC is actually doing something by being agressive with his questioning. Mothrax is in la la land with the PM quoting (which I find it odd he's able to pull out what he know is a scum PM since none of the neighbours could figure out what was wrong with Substrike's PM. Only scum should find out what's in a scum PM at this point. I'm unaware that we discussed in thread about how Substrike's claim was debunked in hindsight) Kdub is passively doing something.

KoC is ranking above the current anti-Aikage wagon based on play alone.

2.Beef: BE explains the Cukoo kill on JMJ and attempted kill on Cupcake. Also he stole the vote from Substrike. Unless you're telling me we have a screw ball, I don't understand what purpose it would be to not:

a. They could frame the masons by making Nikanor scum. Unless you think it's in reverse. ><;;
b. They coordinated a vote steal, and 2 kills with cukoo flavour just cause and put it all on BE.

And finally: Since when did the flips show that we got rid of the shifting player ><;;;. None of the flips show a role that could be involved with the flip. So it stands to reason that we still have the day shift. DURHHHH.

BE was our day vig. Not our shifter. He was a REDIRECTOR which is an entirely different role to OZMODAR SHIFTER.

[mothrax]

Some of the leaps in logic in this game are really fucking frustrating. Where the fuck did I say his pm was a scum slip? I noted that it was possibly a doctored scum pm because the flavor could fit scum. I'm sick and tired of people thinking I don't know what I am doing because they misinterpret my posts. If want to question my motives, my wording or what have you do so, but I am tired of delisting the same damn thing multiple times because people don't understand simple sentences.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Would really appreciate imput from Sensfan asap

[Beefster]

HOLY CRAP! There's still a shift! I just got an invalid target PM from Reck. Someone else is pulling the strings.

This may sound crazy, but I've been thinking... Could BE have had a role that allowed him to flip anything he wanted? I've heard of this happening before. (Though it might have been a bastard game; I can't remember) Maybe he's actually in kahoots with the real shifter and pulled a flip gambit. Have any sages been unsealed?

What if it isn't possible for you to remove the votes?

Hmm... I hadn't thought of that.

[Beefster]

2.Beef: BE explains the Cukoo kill on JMJ and attempted kill on Cupcake. Also he stole the vote from Substrike. Unless you're telling me we have a screw ball, I don't understand what purpose it would be to not:

a. They could frame the masons by making Nikanor scum. Unless you think it's in reverse. ><;;
b. They coordinated a vote steal, and 2 kills with cukoo flavour just cause and put it all on BE.

I thought it was strange how many roles he flipped. The vote-stealing is probably his own power, but the other parts of his role could have been fabricated. We have no evidence that BE was the Cucco-killer aside from the flip.

None of the flips show a role that could be involved with the flip.

Response to bolded: Isn't that kind of the point?
BTW, this was in between the next 2 quoted sentences, for the sake of context.

And finally: Since when did the flips show that we got rid of the shifting player ><;;;... So it stands to reason that we still have the day shift. DURHHHH.

BE was our day vig. Not our shifter. He was a REDIRECTOR which is an entirely different role to OZMODAR SHIFTER.

Why didn't you bring this up earlier? Are you hiding something? (IIRC, you only asked a question about it. Perhaps you were fishing...)

FoS: DTM

Something isn't quite right about your arguments. You seem to know a lot that the rest of us don't.

[Beefster]

^EBWOP: Omit Response to Bolded. I bolded the one sentence originally, then decided, for coherence, to tear it off from the rest of it's paragraph.

[zwetschenwasser]

I have a gut scum read from both ABR and Aikage.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Great.

So ABR and Aikage are town, one way or another then!

[zwetschenwasser]

if you insist.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Sorry if I don't trust your "gut scum read".

[zwetschenwasser]

Yet you suggest that exactly the opposite must be true.