Objection Redux - It's all over bar the shouting!

[SocioPath]

SUBTLE.

[Faraday]

That's a lynch--- Please don't post

Vote count 2.9 - End of Day votecount

Ellibereth (2)

GammaGooey, Jahudo

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magnus_orion (6)

Fate, AlmasterGM, Vezokpiraka, SpyreX, Sociopath, UncertainKitten

AlmasterGM (1)

DTMaster

Not voting (2):

Ellibereth, magnus_orion

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline's 17th of December at 3pm GMT.

So Mango was walking down the road. Then people in ski masks came and brought him to an empty house. They tortured him. He told them everything he knew. Then they cut his throat. Mango was dead. Everyone thought he was a bad guy. Wrong.

magnus_orion -

Miles Edgeworth - Town Reporter

has been lynched day 2.

Night lasts 48 hours, get your actions in.

[Faraday]

Fate got kicked in the face. Then got his throat cut. He dead.

Fate -

Ron Delite - Vanilla Townie

was killed night 2.

Day 3 starts, with 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is 24th of December (LOL CHRISTMAS EVE) at 12pm.

[AlmasterGM]

fuuuck.

[DTMaster]

Almaster please respond to my post. Town what happened to my M_O read. I'm quite sad I didn't post during the whole debacle but that's in the past.

There is no excuses given that you've been posting in other games Almaster while you were "reading my wall".

[DTMaster]

1. Ihmo why do I feel like UK is the super secret scumz and this is the first time she's been scum in like years.
2. I recommend people listen to Gammagooey because he makes sense and is better then Fate atm. Ihmo I still face palmed at people for M_O's action directive: Lynch his scum targets investigate his neutral/secondary reads. ><;;; He was playing optimally as an investigative role.

3. Jahudo.

I find your logic super, suppppper duuupppper weak here (I read it like someone who's following the crowd since the trend is heading this way on Vezok).

Based on Rhinox, leaning town. Based on vezok's play, I'm beginning to understand that he's just being a proxy for Fate. So the reasons I had for finding him scummy (acting without reading the thread, so his actions are contradictory / opportunistic) look completely null now. So I don't consider him a good lynch choice today. Even thought I wish he'd change, I'm done trying to force it out of him.

You'd think that someone who's heavily sheeping Fate would be a bad thing (scum sheep to town aggressive leader). I wouldn't excuse Vezok's play for that. I agree that Rhinox does cast doubt in that slot, but hey, Vezok is still scummy. He's investigation worthy right now.

4. If Spy Spy turns out to be an SK we chain him him up. Ihmo I could care less about SK speculation and force him to follow the town directive in thread or die in a fire. These early pushes on Spy spy based on his vig claim and SK speculation is quite bad. Considering what I am you need him. Considering what I am Spy Spy-hypo SK needs to hunt scum or they'll rapidly deplete the town numbers and get a majority. Therefore Spy spy-sk's primary objective is to hunt the mafia scumz.

[DTMaster]

Ihmo

Vote AlmasterGM

cuz you know I have it in me to finish this case through.

[DTMaster]

You know something despite FATE TUNNEL CAPS LOCK ALIGNMENT: Mango has some good reads. It's worth investigating SocialPath. I only knew SP scum once when his buddys (Glork) bussed and won. Mango called Fate town regardless of the method of attack. Mango also got Rhinox scum when people were focused on VV.

Ihmo SP is also a superior wagon just cause I believe in the dead words of a townie :p

[SocioPath]

Ihmo SP is also a superior wagon

I second this.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote Sp

I attempted to neighbourize Fate. It didn't work. Let's kill some scum.

[Jahudo]

You'd think that someone who's heavily sheeping Fate would be a bad thing (scum sheep to town aggressive leader).

Not when its that obvious, I don't think. And I don't think he would have claimed that he was trying to neighbor Fate if scum planned to kill him anyway. It doesn't make sense from a buddying standpoint if the majority seem to think Fate is town at the time.

Anyway,

Vote: UncertainKitten

@UK:
Why the 180 on magnus? First he's not scum with Rhinox, then you drop a hammer on him. Do not like.
What was that "bullets for bullets" about?

My other choice is still Ellibereth. I don't know much about the SocioPath case. Gonna read up.

[DTMaster]

VP. Wait a minute..... you attempted to neighbourize Fate and it didn't work? When I got hit with a neighbourizing power it worked during the night even though I died the next day in another game of mine. I'll pull up the game.

[DTMaster]

Here's the game: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 54&t=13759

I was a Jailkeeper. N1 UK was an evolver/empowerer role and evolved me N2 to a Neighbourizer.
N2 I neighbourized Nikanor Mason
I died N2
I formed a thread N2.

Ergo: VP either got blocked, which makes no sense as scum if they were worried about Fate saying stuff to VP in the thread since he died. or VP IS SCUM.

[DTMaster]

FYI: I died N2 but I technically didn't know that till D3. So I still was able to talk in my QT in that game. Link to the neighbour QT from LMCM part Deux.

http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/saN3gA5irrJA

[UncertainKitten]

@DT: Well, I did tell you that even if Spy is an SK he literally cannot shoot without getting lynched for lying, so he's no threat until close to lylo when we have to decide.

@UK:
Why the 180 on magnus? First he's not scum with Rhinox, then you drop a hammer on him. Do not like.
What was that "bullets for bullets" about?

It's kinda embarassing really...I...uh...didn't realize I was hammering...

I thought he was at L-2 for some reason, NOT L-1. I realize that's kinda a shitty reason but it's all I got.

As for why I voted him, the little scraps I WAS being given seemed suspicious to me. As for "bullets for bullets", I thought it was a catchy way to say I wanted well reasoned cases before I lent my vote to a lynch. But Bullets for Rope doesn't sound as cool.

So, I don't have much else to say about that :S.

Feel free to ask anything, I'll ISO SP at some point, probably later this evening after I do a little work. Has Vezok done anything outside of coasting on being a neighborizer who apparently has no ability to succeed whatsoever?

Also, DT, what does "ihmo" mean? I'm confused :S.

[DTMaster]

In my honest opinion. I've been using it to summerize my ideas recently.

[DTMaster]

I kind of mixed up the letters lol.

[UncertainKitten]

Well if it's that your sentence structure needs work as well :V.

Could you explain your first point against me more clearly, then?
Also, how are we going to find out if Spy is an SK, providing he is one?

[SpyreX]

OHH please lord god don't let this become an issue.

I can't shoot anymore. Its unpossible.

And if you think I'd have shot fate you're on the moonjuice.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm merely questioning DTM. As I said, Spy, even if you ARE an SK, there is absolutely nothing we can OR SHOULD do about it right now.

DTM seems to think that somehow it'd become apparent you were an SK, and I'm curious about that line of thought.

[SpyreX]

I'll be V/LA but:

We've opted to not deal with DTM which means we better done get it right soon.

HOPEFULLY (and this may be the time to do it) someone has something PR-side to help.

AGM is for death. However, lets not forget Elli.

[vezokpiraka]

Well I get the QT after the night is over. in case I get blocked or something.
I got a QT but it's only for me and Fate. Fate is dead. So I can talk with myself there. Pointless.

[Gammagooey]

So apparently Vezok's neighborize actually works the same way DT is saying anyway, but why would he be scum because a different mod in a different game used neighborize mechanics in a different way o.o?
If Vezok's scum he's scum for coasting on Fate's opinion for easy mislynches, not role shenanigans. Fakeclaiming neighborizer would be a really silly thing to do when it's so easily provable AND it's not a role that people immediately think of as town.

And actually Elli can have a completely arbitrary twentyyyyy...nine hour period of time to post SOMETHING useful.

I'm gonna steal some of Socio's words here.
"ZOMG U CALL

MANGO

ELLI SCUMMY BUT YER VOTE ISNT ON HIM"

Vote: Sociopath

[Jahudo]

So when vezok said it didn't work, he meant its Fate's fault for dying. Something we didn't need to be told, but I guess the way you said it couldn't have been what you meant and nothing more.

As for why I voted him, the little scraps I WAS being given seemed suspicious to me. As for "bullets for bullets", I thought it was a catchy way to say I wanted well reasoned cases before I lent my vote to a lynch. But Bullets for Rope doesn't sound as cool.

Even if you only intended to put him to L-1 (honest mistake to miscount), doesn't the bullets for bullets condition mean you would have unvoted to prevent someone from quick hammering? Did you not consider that either, or were you not worried it might happen?

The main issue I take with UK is that she didn't declare magnus a decent lynch until she voted. A few comments in the post before but they didn't sound like suspicions yet. So she could/should have said her vote could go to magnus alot earlier while she was asking Fate to make more sense. On its own, her asking Fate to make a better case looks like she could have been using him to do most of the legwork on the magnus wagon, have him put more momentum into it while not directly asking him to make a case for Spy town or scum. Which is what sounds like she would have preferred, but maybe not "really" preferred.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, he was already doing most of the legwork. My read of him in isolation came to a different conclusion. I figured I missed something. I did miss a few things, and voted based on them. I didn't think about anyone quick hammering, mostly because I respect you all as players and wouldn't expect something like that to happen. Then again, I miscounted and other people can too, so I should have considered that.

Regardless, there's not a whole lot I can say against what you've just proposed. For some reason I don't think "Uh...no?" is very convincing ^-^.