Reckamonic's Ocarina of Time Mafia..OVER! Was Hyrule saved?

[mothrax]

Chrono, you is wrong, there are two sages left. Bongo bongo was substrikes target iirc.

[Bunnylover]

@LLD:
I think I did make a case on DGB. I pointed out what I do not like about him, why it does not hold ground. Yes, its sad that is that small =/.
If I am sheeping off of someone own opinion, I will tell you. You can look at my ISO, and any time I sheep, I would say "I agree", but even then I give my own opinion on the situation so people know that I am not just some blindless and mindless player just following anyone who makes a case.
I ask you: What is the point of someone making a case against a player, if no one else is allowed to use that case to justify their vote? Does that not mean if a person makes a case against another person, then everyone else must find out another reason not stated by that player to vote? I apologize for the direct and rudeness this may hold in advance.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD:
I think I did make a case on DGB. I pointed out what I do not like about him, why it does not hold ground. Yes, its sad that is that small =/.
If I am sheeping off of someone own opinion, I will tell you. You can look at my ISO, and any time I sheep,

I would say "I agree"

, but even then I give my own opinion on the situation so people know that I am not just some blindless and mindless player just following anyone who makes a case.
I ask you: What is the point of someone making a case against a player, if no one else is allowed to use that case to justify their vote? Does that not mean if a person makes a case against another person, then everyone else must find out another reason not stated by that player to vote? I apologize for the direct and rudeness this may hold in advance.

Why would scum ever agree to my arguments?

[Bunnylover]

@LLD:
I think I did make a case on DGB. I pointed out what I do not like about him, why it does not hold ground. Yes, its sad that is that small =/.
If I am sheeping off of someone own opinion, I will tell you. You can look at my ISO, and any time I sheep,

I would say "I agree"

, but even then I give my own opinion on the situation so people know that I am not just some blindless and mindless player just following anyone who makes a case.
I ask you: What is the point of someone making a case against a player, if no one else is allowed to use that case to justify their vote? Does that not mean if a person makes a case against another person, then everyone else must find out another reason not stated by that player to vote? I apologize for the direct and rudeness this may hold in advance.

Why would scum ever agree to my arguments?

Is this sarcastic? I really can't tell :<.
I mean if we do go on that, why should we even post cases? Why should we even point out why a player is scummy? All we will be doing is given scum a reason to join a wagon right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm saying you are a liar.

When you are being accused of something, you fight back against it if it is false (and I'm calling you scum, so unless you're claiming scum....)

We post cases, since, just because you deny something, doesn't make it false. You can deny that the Earth rotates the Sun. Doesn't make it false.

So here it is. I'm calling you scum. I've given (yet another) reason for it. You say it cannot be true because, and I quote, "if it were, I would agree with you".

Yeah, no.

More votes here please.

[Bunnylover]

I'm saying you are a liar.

When you are being accused of something, you fight back against it if it is false (and I'm calling you scum, so unless you're claiming scum....)

We post cases, since, just because you deny something, doesn't make it false. You can deny that the Earth rotates the Sun. Doesn't make it false.

So here it is. I'm calling you scum. I've given (yet another) reason for it. You say it cannot be true because, and I quote, "if it were, I would agree with you".

Yeah, no.

More votes here please.

I think you misunderstood me, or I wasn't clear in my post.
Your saying I am scum because of the earlier contradiction, which I believe I explained.
And because I am agreeing with your arguements about me been scum? Where have I agreed with you? I said if I was sheeping a person, I'm going to point out that I am sheeping + give my own opinions and reasoning. Can you re-explain your second point on me, because I think I missed something.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have shown a few examples of you being a sheep.

You countered by saying "if I was a sheep, I'd admit to it".

I am saying that is a lie, and FURTHERMORE that it MUST be a lie.

If you were to agree at ANY point that you were sheeping someone, that's equivalent to saying "I'm scummy, lynch me". No one would ever do that.

So, your whole defense for how you are not sheeping is crap.

So find a new proof showing that you aren't sheeping other peoples opinions, and trying to pass them off as original.

Because your current defense is bullshit TBQH.

[Bunnylover]

LLD, you have not provided any post to show that I have sheep. You have said that I was going to try and sheep during the last day and that is the reason why I asked for the cases on the current viable people up for lynch. That is at best, "well if this happened......" situation. That is not evidence of anything.
You ask me for my own case. I posted my opinions, which to me would be a case, on DGB. Yet you don't acknowledge that at all. That by it self shows that I'm not sheeping. I can stand on my own, and make my own case.
Post number 103 in my ISO is another example.
Post number 114 is another example, although it is poor.
Number 81, number 83, and so on.
I mean if you look at my ISO, you see I give my own opinions out. I don't think I need to go through my ISO to prove that I don't give out my own opinions.
Also, I was saying If I am going to sheep, I will say: "I agree with so and so. This is what I agree with. This is also my own opinion."
Also, why are you ignoring DGB? He is the one who actually said he is sheeping. By your logic, he is scum. Yet you haven't mentioned him. the one thing you are accusing me of doing, is the one thing HE HAS DONE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also a DGB sheep is scary. A DGB rabid wolf pack leader is what I expect.

Some games leave little room for me to lead, for instance, games that feature both Fate and I.

And I sure can't dazzle anyone with my canny interpretation of flavor stuff; I know nothing of the flavor and need to rely on others.

So wait, let me get this straight.

You cannot help lead our town because:

1)Fate is in the game
2) You don't know the flavor

Just a few points about this.

Firstly,

FATE IS DEAD.

Not sure how much more clear I can get about that. So, for my benefit, and for anyone else who is interested, please reiterate why you can't play to your normal meta (which apparently is good? Your reputation is preceding you a bit here) because Fate is in this game,

when Fate died Night 1, and you replaced in D2?

By this fact, it becomes obvious to me that

Fate, as a player, should have no effect on how you perform in this game.

Secondly, I agree flavor knowledge is good. It's always nice to know a little about the story the game is based off of, so you can make inferences. However, this does not limit you to being bound by flavor knowledge.

There are other ways of finding scum, than relying on flavor.

As a matter of fact, it's been re-iterated to me several times NOT to rely on flavor knowledge. But you already knew this. Again, if your reputation is as good as people in this thread are saying it is, you would have no problems scum hunting in this game.

So again, here are some questions I want to ask you:

Why does a dead Fate affect your ability to play in this game, when you have never come into contact with him in this game?

Why does flavor knowledge limit you so much, to the point that you can only sheep others (by self-admission)?

I won't do anything until I hear these answers, but for now

FoS:DGB

Except this whole post I had on DGB...

OH, by nice attempt at trying to deflect blame onto another person. Shifting the target is SCUMMY.

And for examples of you sheeping, see my last 5-10 posts. Thank you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm pretty sure you just failed, BL.

[Bunnylover]

Yes, you attacked GDB yesterday.
Did he magically die today? No.
You have suddenly dropped his case, although the exact reason you are attacking me for is the exact same thing he has done.
To me, that doesn't make sense.
I am trying to understand the logic in that. What happened between Day 3 and Day 4, that made your shift go from DGB to Bunnylover?
You can call it that I am shifting the spotlight, but I have a legitament reason for doing that. In my most recent game, I got everyone to lynch MoI because he was tunneling me, then suddenly dropped his case on me and went onto another target. I pointed out what he as doing, and got him lynch. He was town though and I was town, so it didn't work out so well but I think you see my point. That what your doing is also scummy. You had a case on DGB, then suddenly you drop it or don't bring it up again and go to a new target. The only difference from this game and my last game is that your starting from another player then going to me, while in the last game it started on me and went to another player.
Were you attacking DGB because it was so close to the deadline? Are you not attacking him because you no longer see him as scum, or what?
Before I continue:

Vote: DGB

Continueing:
Looked at your last 5-10 pages and saw nothing. You accused me of sheeping, with evidence that I pointed out in my last post which I said it is best a what if situation. But other then that, you have not shown any post where I have sheeped. I am still waiting for you to do that.

[Bunnylover]

I think you should wait for my response before you say I fail =/.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok, you're scum.

Not only are you ignoring the fact that you refused to post any case, but you blatantly are now attacking DGB for the exact same thing YOU are doing!

AND you didn't even give a case on him, besides the fact that he was sheeping by self admission.

His reads more as apathy. Yours reads as SCUM.

ALSO. I was pressuring YOU, about a point. This was not about HIM. When you take my point, and say "Look! These people are doing this too! They are scum if I am!", that makes you scum in my mind. Near 100%.

Your vote on DGB confirmed it for me.

I WANT ALL VOTES ON BUNNYLOVER. WE'RE RUNNING HIM UP TO THE GALLOWS FOR A CLAIM

That's all I have to say. Bunny, you can post whatever defense you feel is necessary. You can try and convince anyone who will listen that you are innocent.

But the prosecution is confident in your guilt.

This level of reasoning is possible for Lambdadelta.

[Bunnylover]

OK NOW I AM PISSED.
Blah, blah but i can't make post when mad.
But i'll try anyways.
You are ignoring everything I am saying.
I posted who I suspect. I posted my case on DGB. I told you what I don't like about him, what he has done that I find odd, and everything. How is that not a case? How is that not my own opinion? Please explain that to me? Or are you going to ignore this too? You ignored the part about where he says he can't help town because their are other more leading then him and he doesn't have flavour knowledge. I think their was another point, but I am rage typing right now, so I can't remember that point.
So if I just give up and say I don't really care about what happens, my case should just disappear from thin air? NO. THAT SHOULD BE MORE REASON TO ATTACK HIM. WHAT KIND OF TOWNIE WON'T PROVIDE THEIR OPINION? WHAT THEY AGREE WITH, WHAT THEY DISAGREE WITH. THEIR IS NO REASON FOR A TOWNIE TO SAY, FUCK IT I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS ANYMORE. BUT THAT IS WHAT YOUR ALLOWING HIM TO DO.
Was that the first thing I did, shift the spotlight? No, because you were question me about stuff that I didn't see as sheeping in any way or form. Then you come out of left field and say I am sheeping. That immediately went off in my head going, "Wait wtf is she doing? Why is she claiming I am sheeping, when their are other players sheeping who have admitted it. Wtf is going on." Saying he is apathy isn't a reason to attack him then just lay off of him.
MY VOTE ON DGB CONFIRMS THAT I BELIEVE I MADE A SMALL CASE ON WHY I BELIEVE HE IS SCUM.
You have no posted any evidence to what you are saying I am sheeping. Where have I sheep? Go find me post where I have sheep. Go through my ISO and find me those post.

YOU HAVE STILL NOT SHOWN ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT IS UNDENIABLE PROVE THAT I HAVE SHEEP FROM ANY PLAYER IN THIS GAME. YOU CONTINUE TO SAY YOU HAVE, BUT YOU HAVEN'T AND WHEN ASKED TO SHOW IT, YOU JUST SAY FOR ME TO LOOK IT UP.

[Bunnylover]

I am raging right now.
I don't know if I will respond to any other question for the next couple of hours or so.
I apologize.

[Le Cupcake]

HAI

Vote: Bunnylover

[Le Cupcake]

Chrono, you is wrong, there are two sages left. Bongo bongo was substrikes target iirc.

So all of the sage "targets" are scum?

Also, we still have one more scum neighbor no? I missed/do not remember much of the talk on neighbors, can we have a summary of stuff again?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LL: No, I was referring to the bolded:

I would be willing to lynch

DGB. KOC and AKR,

I haven't seen what people are finding scummy about them

, but I may have just missed/forgotten what people have said about them.

Doesn't matter who Bunny would have named there.

Let's start here.

Explain yourself.

Cross Examination begins now ^_^

Evidence.

[Le Cupcake]

Do we need evidence?

Bunny has been scum since D1... = =
That does remind me, what is the argument on moth being town again?

[mothrax]

There were six neighbors, the sages, their targets were the bosses of their respective temples(minus koc(saria) whose target was ghoma)
Three are alive, chrono and two others(darunia and nabooru)
Substrike had a fakeclaim as a sage(impa) and flipped Poe scum.
The likelihood of another scum in the sages is undecided (would bossscum have a sage safeclaim?)

[mothrax]

Wait, damn the names and them being similar....
Sages:
Nabooru: chrono, unsealed
Raruu: substrikes fake claim, dead
Saria: koc, dead
Ruto: rayfrost, dead
Darunia: ???, sealed
Impa: ???, unsealed

Thus two unsealed and one sealed= no more neighbors, the poor lonely bastard/bastardess still sealed.

[Bunnylover]

@LLD: That is the "what if" Their is no evidence that I was going to sheep off of them. You can say I was going to, I can say I was not going to. You can say I am lieing, I can say I am telling the truth. I want something that is undienable prove that I was sheeping. Something that I can not say I was not sheeping. Reason you haven't posted none is because their is none.
You can continue to say that is evidence. I will continue to say that is not evidence, I have explained myself on that, and I have asked you for other evidence, you have yet to provide none.

@Cupcake: Cupcake what are your reason for voting me that doesn't include anything posted today. You voted me yesterday with no reason at all. Most likely you won't even respond to this post because you will go off into your lurking status because you have no reason to worry about as you are a confirmed mason.
You know what: Cupcake please provide for me why I was scum Day 1. Since you believe I was scum since then, it should be no problem for you to show why I am and what evidence you have against me just during Day 1. After that, proceed to Day 2, then Day 3, doing the same thing. If you don't know what I am asking, I can explain it further.

@Mothrax: I don't think their is a bossscum among the remaining sages. I think one would just be enough to have that person flip which would make the sages paranoid and distrust each other, even though their is nothing to worry about. Although at best it is WIFOM.

[vezokpiraka]

Great kills last night.

Sages got great powers right??
Then why did they claimed?
Now scum can NK them. At least some of them didn't right?

[vezokpiraka]

V/La till Christmas Eve

[Albert B. Rampage]

Bunnylover is extremely scummy...

Is DTM back from V/LA yet?