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ThAdmiral, Jezebel "Jezzy" Bahha,Human Vigilante, was put out of her misery on Night 4.
Day 5 has begun. With seven players alive, it takes four votes to lynch.
The deadline is on Monday, January 10th, 2010 at 9:00 a.m. CST. (Note: I might change this if it conflicts with next semester's schedule.)
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- Second, at some point in the near future, I'm going to relocate all the Opening Scenes from the first post to their own posts within the game, because the current MS problems won't let me edit posts with too many characters in them. I'll put links in the first post so you guys can still find them easily, but I just thought I'd give you a heads-up.Last edited by SaintKerrigan on Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:03 pm, edited 5 times in total.ALMOST ALWAYS BUSY 9-6 CST WEEKDAYS- SaintKerrigan
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to yet another exciting game of "Why is MagnaofIllusion still alive?!" We're excited to have you all as contestants today! Without further ado, here's how the game works:
Normally, MagnaofIllusion is dead very early in the game. This time, however, he's ... still alive.
Discuss and win a fabulous prize!
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This is just about a record for me too. Last time I lived this long I was some stupid third party role that was painful to play.AlmasterGM wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to yet another exciting game of "Why is MagnaofIllusion still alive?!" We're excited to have you all as contestants today! Without further ado, here's how the game works:
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My immediate gut is that I'd rather lynch MoI or Almaster over chess, I'm pretty sure chess is town.
I could do some vote analysis to see if my gut has any water, or I could claim laziness, have MoI yell at me, and wait for him to provide the vote count posts with Hackerscum worked in anyway What to do, what to do...- camn
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I recall calling him town yesterday after some exchanges we had wherein the logic looked more goofy than scummy to me.
We're likely a fair shake from lylo with three correct lynches, and that is a pretty silly reason to be advocating a lynch at this point.- camn
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Your face is silly
Goofy is just as anti-town as scummy, wouldn't you say?
If someone uses craplogic, that sound like a problem for the town.
And I am not advocating at this point.. I am considering."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2- Thor665
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No! Do you?camn wrote:Goofy is just as anti-town as scummy, wouldn't you say?
You appear to be distancing from this point already - am I that brilliant and intimidating as a debate opponent or were you advancing it as a weak 'just putting it out there' thought from the get go?- camn
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Yes, I would say.
I think craplogic is craplogic, whether you think it is "scummy" (whatever that means) or not.
I think anti-town play should be met with the lynch. Especially since our vig is dead.
The fact is, chesskid has done nothing to make me think he is town. A point in his favor is that he has done nothing to make me think he is SCUM either. Truthfully, he has simply done NOTHING.
I am willing to lynch him on policy grounds alone. There is a 25% chance he might actually BE scum, but in my view, there is a 0% chance he will help the town win this game. And, since we are ahead, I think we can afford a policy lynch.
ALL THAT SAID: I am totally willing to persue other options.
Like yourself, Thor. you are next on my list.
The Idea that MagofIllusion is a better lynch than chesskid makes my brain want to explode... you proposing it gets you massive scumpoints in my book. Especially given the WAY you presented it. Let us revisit it:
YOu would rather lynch one of the most pro-town players over the most anti-town player BASED ON GUT??? If you are going to make that kind of claim, I need a case. AGM started it for you. Although I hate that argument.. it is better than the nothing you brought..and he even asked for discussion of the topic. Hmm.Thor665 wrote:My immediate gut is that I'd rather lynch MoI or Almaster over chess, I'm pretty sure chess is town.
Here you recognize that you are playing in a suboptimal way... all the while giving yourself an 'out' later on if your accusations don't take hold.Thor665 wrote:I could do some vote analysis to see if my gut has any water, or I could claim laziness, have MoI yell at me, and wait for him to provide the vote count posts with Hackerscum worked in anyway What to do, what to do...
This is very, VERY wishy-washy, and not the way to get anyone lynched."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2- camn
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SO... I put this^^ here for me, really.
NOw I want to dig into the HackerHuck wagon.
I voted him early based on VC analysis.. and MoI joined me. Furry also threw some weight in, but unvoted to try and quicklynch chesskid. (not a terrible idea)
I also pulled for neighbor-claims early, and got them, despite some pushback.... there was some inquiry as to WHY I wanted to know... which I delayed and delayed.. giving Hacker some rope. Some time to chat with his buddies in the QT kind of rope.
Then I delivered (1112, 1115) my analysis...Thad bought my case, Hacker argued a little bit,THEN HE GAVE UP.(1121)
The question I am asking my self is this:What was going on in the scum QT when Hacker gave up?
Did he say "I'm gonna argue my way out of this, buddy... so just hold off on the bussing"
or did he say "Shit. I am fucked. Good luck with the rest of the game"
I think the second one.
And I think his buddy jumped right on the bus.
Furry seemed to pile on.. . but he had a vote on already.
Chesskid flipped from tunnelling me to votingwithme, implicitly agreeing with my case while calling for my vigging. (1152 and 1153 are also relevant)
Thor drops the hammer.
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My conclusion?
at least one Scum are in {Furry, Chesskid, THor }
I likeFurry. I think Furry's play is good. But looking at yesterday alone is slightly scumtastic. Trying to dump the lynch onto chesskid at the last moment? slightly questionable IF CHESS IS TOWN (which is a big IF). We would really need a chessflip to decide that though. As it stands, he is the least likely of the three to be scum, imo.
ChessI don't like. I think he is a detriment to the town regardless of alignment. I was leaning town on his predecessor IIRC, but as I said earlier, I would support a lynch here. In fact, the more I look at his play yesterday, the more I think he might actually be scum.. not just a bad player.
Thor... thor could be scum. He didn't >quite< seem to muster enough Hacker-Hate to sound TOTALLY like a buss.. But he is certainly in the running. NOt as scummy as chess yesterday.. but today . . meh.
If I were the only one voting, I would eliminate these three.... in this order: chess/thor/furry.. until I hit scum. Then reevaluate."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2- Furry
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One of my favorite parts of the Slaxx/Chess slot is the pushing for vig lynch and acceptance for the vig killing the slot, until the RB died, followed promptly by the vig.
That and how chess went from not wanting a lynch of HH at all until the slot was doomed, and then deciding what his suspects were pushing was the best lynchTemporary unretired alt- camn
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I forgot about HH being a roleblocker!
Note to self: no actual DIRECTED vig of scum was possible this game. Only directed town-vigs.
Any discussion of directed vigging should be revisited with this in mind....
scum-motivation is fully solidified in re: directing vig kills.
Lets see if I can find any..."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2- AlmasterGM
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If this exists, it'll be solid GOLD.camn wrote:I forgot about HH being a roleblocker!
Note to self: no actual DIRECTED vig of scum was possible this game. Only directed town-vigs.
Any discussion of directed vigging should be revisited with this in mind....
scum-motivation is fully solidified in re: directing vig kills.
Lets see if I can find any...
I'm going to go comb MoI. I know he's clever enough to evade VCA, but maybe he slipped up in there.- AlmasterGM
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hmm.
I slept on it.. and its not a hole in one. There could be some town-motivation to it too.
Plus it would only work for scum if it were totally a sure thing. THey didn't bother to block the vig at all anyway.
Which brings me back to the VCA on the Hackerwagon.
does anyone dispute my timeline re: it? You can almost taste when Hacker is defeated in his posts.. hehadto have mentioned it to his partner, right?"if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2 - camn
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