Simpsons Mafia (Game Over)

[Deer]

While I see the concern with Hiraki, I feel like DarlaBlueEyes' actions have been worse. Do you guys see what I'm getting at? In ISO it's especially bad.

[Nero Cain]

Why the unvote Nero? Do you no longer care if beaver's other head claims, or is this somehow related to the fact that SensFan is now voting for someone else?

I already said I don't really care what heads they are. I still think is stupid one head is expecting us to jump through hoops but to be perfectly honest I haven't kept up with this game that well so sometime later tonight I'm going to reread EVERYTHING and if I still find Beavers scummy then my vote is going back on him.

[SensFan]

whats the vote for sens, I don't think its scummy to not vote in RVS.. I have seen quite a few say they don't like RVS

He didn't say he didn't like voting in the RVS (although that alone

would

be enough for me to vote them), he said he didn't like the RVS. Without some sort of RVS, there is no scumhunting.

[diddin]

Hello all! I wonder who Fuzzy is... o.O;

Anyway,
@demonhybrid: erm, no.

VOTE: DemonHybrid

Posted that before I read all the pages, derp.

If it truly was a trap, what's the next play?

Lynch boberz, pretty much. It was a clouded attempt to hop on my wagon and a really weak justification when called out.

I agree with everyone about Hiraki to some degree, but I need to do more info gathering until I can make a good decision about him.

UNVOTE:

I'm not sure if his actions so far are lynch worthy. Lets see where this goes.

Don't like this. Looks like he's not willing to contribute content and just wants to find another wagon to sheep.

FoS Trev

[Benmage]

While I see the concern with Hiraki, I feel like DarlaBlueEyes' actions have been worse. Do you guys see what I'm getting at? In ISO it's especially bad.

No, not really seeing it in iso... care to enlighten me.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, are you now saying that a lynch will bring about information? Duh...any lynch will bring about information. DH isn't super special (sorry bud).

Saying his alignment could really help, strongly implies him specifically. But saying that his wagon will be informative could be true about anyone.

That's only half of my vote, it's more like the spice, like I said before.

Early game vote hopping is a town tell lulz. Someone forgot how effective Battle Mage was. Vote hopping and multiple wagons = lots of information. Having 2 good wagons is basic mafia theory to determine reads. You can compare people relative to how they respond to other people forming links.

I disagree, but that's all I will say.

Btw. this hydra talk is annoying is anti-town. Don't say that not knowing the head of a hydra is anti-town. If you need meta for a case, you're doin' it wrong.

Beaver, I think DH's point is that he

deliberately

proposed a flawed plan to see what opportunistic scum would jump on it, and that

that

would start discussion, not that he was suggesting starting discussion by flavorclaiming. A trap, in other words. Since proposing knowingly bad plans isn't something scum really do, but IS the sort of thing that opportunists might jump on, it strikes me as inspired.

This is the exact point what the spice is. However, by not knowing DH's alignment, the people that are "scum" can also be town.

Fuzzy's knowledgement of his heads trying to be found is getting me annoyed, to be honest.

Since when has anti-town play been equivalent to scummy play?

Since they both are bad.

IMO votehopping is null unless it's obv flailing, especially so early in such a large game. Also, withholding information.

There's no with-held information, and I guess you haven't seen the ISO of DH yet.

Way too many of these five pages have been wasted trying to figure out who the hell Beavers is and it really pisses me off. Not because I have to read them (which is still annoying), but because it's a waste of time! I really really really really really hate it when people try to play coy like that. It's not "scum hunting." It's a lame excuse for attention.

This person deserves cookies. No chips because of the vote though.

I dont like RVS but this belongs in MD

I'm willing to switch now. Even if it is DH's target.

Hello all! I wonder who Fuzzy is... o.O;

Anyway,
@demonhybrid: erm, no.

VOTE: DemonHybrid

Posted that before I read all the pages, derp.

If it truly was a trap, what's the next play?

Lynch boberz, pretty much. It was a clouded attempt to hop on my wagon and a really weak justification when called out.

I agree with everyone about Hiraki to some degree, but I need to do more info gathering until I can make a good decision about him.

UNVOTE:

I'm not sure if his actions so far are lynch worthy. Lets see where this goes.

This person needs to die to, before DH. That makes me sigh.

Don't like this. Looks like he's not willing to contribute content and just wants to find another wagon to sheep.

This is lynch worthy diddin.

Unvote, Vote: tvellalot

Btw. stop talking about Darla. There is nothing worthy of a vote for Darla. Maybe a small FoS, but that's not even note-worthy for a vote on a later day.

Hope this clears some stuff up!

[Fuzzy Beavers]

DTM was the only person that I noticed that matched the first two games you referenced. But I didn't know that you knew anything about me knowing saber irl, so I was all kinds of confused.

That was me. I'm a stalker, etc.
Yes, I'm Nikanor. I didn't even have to post under my main account!

Most likely town, though.
I'll dismiss your thing for a bit.

Scummy scum mcscummersen.

Vote: Tragedy.

I don't get the boberz wagon. As far as I can tell he's just the kind of guy who doesn't know how to scumhunt and thinks that people proposing MCs are scummy.
DH, was the MC suggestion a trap or wasn't it?

I'd sign my posts, but really, the identity of the beaver posting should be obvious. If you can't figure it out, just remember I'm the one who speaks English as a first language.

[DemonHybrid]

It was an attempt to kill RVS.

[sottyrulez]

It was an attempt to kill RVS.

Something you always do? Results of your trap?

A couple of things now I am caught up:

-I agree with Deer. Darla is twitchy.
-With that in mind Hiraki's over reaction to the Darla votes looks awful. Almost as awful as his “I could say more but I won't” spiel.
-Jason

still

hasn't provided content. Despite saying he would catch up yesterday and being around enough to talk about RVS and question Sens vote. Because of this, our vote stays.
-Mariyta and Ben are prob town.
-I also don't get the boberz wagon

~Sotty

[Benmage]

unvote vote hiraki

[Hiraki]

-With that in mind Hiraki's over reaction to the Darla votes looks awful. Almost as awful as his “I could say more but I won't” spiel.

No. There is absolutely nothing to say more. Look at the Darla ISO. There's 4 posts. None of them are scummy in any way.

unvote vote hiraki

That's cool.

[Tragedy]

Your thing meant his/her suspicions, mhm.
What does "hydra talk" even mean... Its getting utterly confusing, Sorry.

[Scott Brosius]

Vote Count 3

Benmage(0)-
boberz(4)-DemonHybrid, The Fonz, DarlaBlueEyes, SensFan,
DarlaBlueEyes(1)-Deer
Deer(0)-
DemonHybrid(2)- boberz, Zang,
diddin(0)-
Fuzzy Beavers(1)- ribwich,
Guderian(0)-
hiraki(3)-diddin, Mariyta, Benmage,
jasonT1981(2)-LlamaFluff, sottyrulez,
KageLord(0)-
LlamaFluff(0)-
Mariyta(0)-
Nachomamma8(1)-KageLord
Nero Cain(0)-
ribwich(0)-
SensFan(0)-
Sleepless Assassin(0)-
sottyrulez(0)-
The Fonz(0)-
Tragedy(1)-Fuzzy Beavers,
tvellalott(1)-hiraki,
Wraith(0)-
Zang(1)-jasonT1981

Not Voting(7)- Guderian, Nachomamma8, Sleepless Assassin, Tragedy, Wraith, Nero Cain, tvellalott


With 24 alive, it's 13 to lynch. Deadline is January 27th at 1pm (EST)

[KageLord]

Boberz, why didn't you vote in your first post?

Kage, why did you feel the need to acknowledge Jason's vote on Zang if you were going to vote for Nacho?

Demon, why did you want a mass character claim, which is obviously a terrible idea.

Tragedy, don't guess people's roles in thread.

(The Fonz already addressed this)

Boberz Post 52, reaction to a few votes on him, is much scummier than anything he did to warrant the votes in the first place.

General question, is it common for this much discussion in a large theme to be about past games?

Benmage gets a scum read, but

I won't say why just yet.

Sweet, I can elaborate because Hiraki already confirmed that my thought wasn't true. The not wanting to say more thing, to me, looked like someone with role related info. Sure, we haven't had a night. But some roles are immediately given information that can help them figure things out.

Hiraki, why would scum be on Demon's lynch more than any other person lynched on Day 1 of a mafia game? Your statement is true, but could apply to anyone.

(Dammit! I got beat to this one too.)

I'm only through the first three pages, but I have to go.

For awesome RVS reasoning. Why did you feel the need to make this big post without saying anything new (except saying maybe Hiraki is okay for not elaborating because he has a rare town role that tells him someone is scum)?

DH (and please no one else answer this), just to be sure of what you mean, in what way was the whole flavor claim thing meant to end RVS? By getting us to talk about the idea, by getting us to reject the idea so you could judge people based on how they rejected it, or by actually getting us to do it and thus ending RVS?

Some obvious connections to possibly follow up on in later days, pending flips, are (Benmage and DH) and (Hiraki and Darla).
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Fuzzy Beavers is very confusing but I see nothing wrong with not revealing his main accounts. I've seen several players who don't believe in meta.

Its not about meta. Personally I think meta is stupid

and quite frankly I DON'T really care what two heads they are. The problem is, as was the case in Supernatural, he/she is being fairly obstinate. One head said we could figure it out and I'm sure I could but I don't feel like jumping hoops right now.

im not sureyour right Nero, I think Meta can be an excellent tool to pin down scum or find out if someone is town. but its harder to use with a hydra account.

Never said its not useful

; just I don't think its the say all be all of scum hunting.

Anyone else think that these are somewhat contradictory?
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Beavers brings confusion. KILL IT.

vote F Beaver

Ditto the crowd. Will unvote when claim is made.

(PS guys I am a bit busy and will be slowish until the weekend)

Too many posts happening too fast. Do not like.

In any case,

vote boberz

I do not like your play, sir.

@Beaver/s I find confusion in your entire self, but I have yet to find more than confusion or any reason to find you scummalicious. Yet.

These seem odd to me as well. The first one obviously features sheeping prominently ("Ditto the crowd" doesn't help Darla's case), but that in itself isn't much of a scum tell since many people could be considered sheeping on that vote and we can't really tell apart those who were serious and those who were opportunistic. However, when seen with this second quote... that seems like major backtracking. Also no reason on the new wagon vote (following DH and The Fonz).

Unvote

VOTE: DarlaBlueEyes

P.S.

@Mod

, early prod on Nacho? He hasn't posted yet and is missing quite a bit.

Yeah, there are a few people who are in need of it. I'll start prodding tomorrow.

[Benmage]

Kate, explain your connections some more.

As for DBE the Bob vote is weak. The beaver vote looks half rvs with the confusion comment, and half serious with the vote to get the Hydra info.

The switch to Bob and beaver commentary that beaver doesn't look bad is peculiar. I found beaver pretty useless until it appears Nik posted.

If I recall correctly I was never too impressed with DTMs game.

[KageLord]

Kate, explain your connections some more.

As for DBE the Bob vote is weak. The beaver vote looks half rvs with the confusion comment, and half serious with the vote to get the Hydra info.

The switch to Bob and beaver commentary that beaver doesn't look bad is peculiar. I found beaver pretty useless until it appears Nik posted.

If I recall correctly I was never too impressed with DTMs game.

I'm gonna assume you meant Kage.

For you, I should have said "possible" connections. I would hope you could see the Hiraki and Darla connection with him flat out refusing what anyone says against Darla. The one with you and DH is based around:

Ugh I hate the fact that I have todo this from a phone. A few things:

First Which I am guilty as well is that we completely undermine our votes on beaver by saying we will remove. Well why are they there? They are there because he is purposely and willfully withholding information from the town which is inherently antitown. Therefore I ask the question, since we have already ruined any worth to our votes, is anyone willing to go through with their votes and see that beavers is lynched if he maintains this obstinate behavior? I am.

Also I find beavers style too playful. It doesnt seem to be adding anything to the game. His daykill jest thing, all his posts read fluffy.

Also I find DH's idiotic comment more of a towntell than anything else. I believe his last comment and you rarely see scum trying to make such ridiculous comments that early on.

As for llamas quick vote I find null. Both opportunistic scum and overeager town jump at early foolishness.

There might've been more I wanted to say...damn phones.

DH needs to die. His vote hopping and opinion are anti-town.

Not to mention, his alignment could really help this game.

There's more I could say, but I don't really want to.

Vote: DemonHybrid

Vote hopping? Lol.... is noone else guilty of this? How could his alignment help? ....don't want to say more....nah nah nah. Say more.

That's another hing I hate when people make you try and assume things like in bobs case or in this case, don't spell everything out. Spell it out. We need everything from everyone. I hate pulling teeth from people and if I had a second vote it'd be on Hiraki.

Not a strong connection, but definitely possible.

[Mariyta]

I'd sign my posts, but really, the identity of the beaver posting should be obvious. If you can't figure it out, just remember I'm the one who speaks English as a first language.

Did you miss the part about not being a tool? While arrogance doesn't equal alignment, I'm sorely tempted to vote you simply for that.

Anyone else think that these are somewhat contradictory?

Nope. I agree with him. I hate meta (especially when people use it as a defense or expect others to go read entire games), but it does have its uses and I still use it to judge others when I can't get a read on them from the current game alone.

Hiraki's comment re:Darla is off. Sounds too much like scum trying to claim town knowledge on another player.

[DemonHybrid]

Its a horrible idea, so I expected it to be universally rejected. I was also expecting votes too, and judge behavior off of vote reasoning.

I first suspected the Beavers because I thought they were testing the waters for a vote within a sea of theatrical daykill claiming, but boberz reaction was even crazier, not only implying something in the first post and completely changing the reasoning when the Fonz called him out, but giving weak, lazy reasoning when pressured by the wagon.

Nothing has convinced me to vote anyone else quite yet.

[ribwich]

Unvote

This is the exact point what the spice is. However, by not knowing DH's alignment, the people that are "scum" can also be town.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Are you saying if DH flips town then we should look at his wagon for opportunistic scum, and if he flips scum we should look at his wagon for obvtown?

[Sleepless Assassin]

Deer's Darla vote is weird. What makes her the worst of the Fuzzy voters?

If it truly was a trap, what's the next play?

There wasn't one. It was one of those "lol did I get us out of RVS yet" moves that scum use to try and look protown.

RVS usually ends up a town lynch when it comes to group influence, mhm.

How many games have you played in where they lynched in RVS?

Kage, that post was just my thoughts as I was reading. Not my fault that I read more and realized someone else had pointed out a couple of my thoughts already.

Vote Tragedy

now that I'm caught up.

[jasonT1981]

unvote

right now I am getting a town read on Ben, his voting is similar to what it was in Zachs large game that recently finished. SottyRulez I am completly unsure on as it is hard for me to get a read on them. Zach and Sotty have two completly contrasting metas which is why I asked them to sign each post so I can get a better read for them. right now I am completly unsure.

Darla is kinda high on my scumlist... the Massclaim idea from DH I think I have seen him do this before as town hthough i might be wrong but I think he did as town in a game we played together a while back, will have to look more into it later.

Don't see the points of the votes on FB earlier due to him not revealing at that time who he was... silly votes I think. Guderian is due back later so would be interested in his views. Boberz not voting in RVS is weird but not a scumtell as I have seen a few in the past refuse to participate in RVS both town and scum.

Darla has made 4 posts, kinda wishy washing voting in them... vote unvote vote kinda seems like trying to find a wagon to be on.

Nero is also up there on my scumlist due to his huge contridiction pointed out by Kage I believe it was.

Tragedy though in ISO looks bad due to the RVS comment and the hydra talk post that seems to be diverting away from scumhuntign and back to the hydra. in fact most of his posts have been talking about the hydra accounts in some way or another.

voteTragedy

[jasonT1981]

heh simpost with Sleepless there.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

Jeebus! You get a life for a day or so and everyone decides you're scummy! FFS.

Anyways - while I admit some of my actions may have seemed scummy, my first two votes were RVS and done in jest, hence the lack of reasoning beyond I DO NOT LIKE YEW LAWL. I was super busy until today, which I did mention, and there was at least one post between my two vote posts where I explained that I missed page two and so I was unvoting until I read that.

I find Deer's vote on me opportunistic at best, maybe even scum grabbing onto a weak player/someone who's implicated themselves and his reasoning to have me lynched is weak at best.

For now

unvote

as I am not sure who I wanna vote for right now.

Got 2 other games to catch up on and then will return.

[Deer]

Opportunistic at best? Weak at best?

No, no.

You really cannot say "those were RVS votes" AFTER YOU GAVE NON-RVS REASONING FOR THEM in the vote.

"I do not like your play, sir" is very non-RVSy. The Fuzzy vote was also a "ditto the crowd" hydra-revealing vote. Neither of those are RVS, sorry.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

I interject far too much of my own personality into my play then, I guess, because to me my 'reasons' were baseless and my comments sarcasm on boberz and just flat out RVS-bandwaggoning on Fuzzy (which more than just I was doing to get a identity claim out of him), I didn't feel like expounding when I had so little time/was so busy so I said ditto the crowd.