American Gods Mafia - Game over

[A Gaggle of Geese]

SGR v Ghost is boring me. I feel like the stances are clear on both sides.

We agree with this, in that it is town-on-town and only gets more apparent every time each of them posts. (Our stronger townread is on Ghostlin, but we are also rather confident in SGR town)

Our explanation of our SGR townread will come later today (we're both busy this weekend is the only reason for the delays, though this head has midterms next week, so we will see what happens).

Shockingly enough we also have townvibes from OGML, so the current wagons aren't all that appealing to us.

We do have Ani as scummy, which is why our vote was there, but to be honest he works better as sacrifice bait.

We would appreciate if those of you who saw fit to trust us with an elect vote would take the time to reread Farside's play this game and consider joining us in voting him.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

EBWOP: her*

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote AGar

I think I am not voting you right now. I am not sure.

This isn't town agar I know. Sorry.

[Jahudo]

"Oh. You’re up. That’s good. You want coffee? We’re going to rob a bank." – Wednesday

Nexus is V/LA until Tuesday, March 8.
Llamafluff is V/LA until March 9.

Lynch Vote Count

SGRaaize (4) - OhGodMyLife, Ghostlin, animorpherv1, Locke Lamora
Ghostlin (4) - werewolf555, Llamafluff, Seacore, SGRaaize
OhGodMyLife (4) – farside22, Saint, Ythill, AGar
AGar (3) – Apokalyptika, Tasky, vezokpiraka
Animorpherv1 (1) – WrathChild,
Llamafluff (1) – Nexus
Farside22 (1) - A Gaggle of Geese

Not Voting (0):

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to lynch.

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Backstage Vote Count:

Top Four Players Go Backstage

Farside22 (9) – animorpherv1, farside22, Seacore, SGRaaize, AGar, Ythill, Apokalyptika, Locke Lamora, Saint
Ythill (9) – Llamafluff, Seacore, animorpherv1, Agar, farside22, SGRaaize, Vezokpiraka, Apokalyptika, Tasky
A Gaggle of Geese (9) – Vezokpiraka, WrathChild, Ghostlin, Apokalyptika, AGar, Llamafluff, Locke Lamora, OhGodMyLife, Tasky
Seacore (6) – Ythill, Seacore, Vezokpiraka, A Gaggle of Geese, SGRaaize, WrathChild
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Llamafluff (5) – Ythill, Llamafluff, OhGodMyLife, animorpherv1, Locke Lamora
AGar (3) – farside22, WrathChild, Saint
Ghostlin (2) – A Gaggle of Geese, Ghostlin
OhGodMyLife (1) – OhGodMyLife
Tasky (1) - Tasky

Not Voting (9):

A Gaggle of Geese x1, Nexus x3, werewolf555 3x, Saint x1, Ghostlin x1

Today's deadline is March 19 at 6:00 PM EST

Tasky has requested replacement.

[SGRaaize]

Oh. You’re up. That’s good. You want coffee? We’re going to rob a bank

lol'd

[farside22]

I disagree with Agar's logic.
When a person says Sure, it obviously doesn't mean he's 100% positive the target is gonna appear scum, I think Agar is trying to bust OGML on worthless semantics. And I find it hard to believe Agar actually believes what he's typing.

And yeah, as I said, I think this wagon is positive, I think OGML is just a Townie that isn't trying hard, Ghostlin is scum

Actually I have seen scum slip like Agar is talking about. It's an ongoing game so I can't link it. When someone says they are sure someone is scum, then switch to if that means there is a doubt.


By the way it's post like this from GG that make my spidy sense's tingle

We would appreciate if those of you who saw fit to trust us with an elect vote

Clearly the scum are everyone who choose to elect A Gaggle of Geese, since they are such obvscum.
/slightly pissed off post, considering that we're obvTOWN/

Two post now where they push there we are town you should elect us. No one else seems eager like this in the game. It's like they feel the need to prove their townie by hoping to be elected for back stage.

Then we have the wonderful cases so far from GG.

Unvote

Vote: Ani

We are in agreement that SGR has looked very townish lately.

We would also not like to see Farside elected, as he is null leaning scum, while we have a very very strong townreads on Seacore, for example.

Unvote

Vote: Farside

These are GG "cases" No content. One is follow at BW the other is hey farside looks scummy lets vote her. By the way hi cheesekid (pretty sure it's been you these last few post as Faraday knows I'm a her).
*adds GG to scum list*

Morph still looks scummy. I see his play as pushing the easy targets. He hasn't mentioned any other player then WC and SGR.

@Llama: What in morph's post seems town to you and why?

[farside22]

unvote
vote AGar

I think I am not voting you right now. I am not sure.

This isn't town agar I know. Sorry.

Examples? What is agar town, why did what he wrote strike you as anti-town?

[Ghostlin]

So I most everyone in ISO today, seeing if anything bit me, and I did find something.

It may be 'rude' to do this. At this point, I don't really care. Before he requested replacement, did you acutally read Tasky? Two of his posts are variants of 'no time, will read later.' Two are votes, one on SGR for his rather scummy 'I didn't do anything wrong post', he's voted three times, but renders a vote of his redundant; votes SGR and has to be prompted as to cough up a reason for voting him and then unvotes and votes AGar again for no reason. Which by the way, he's been sheeping all major wagons, flying under the radar: WC, SGR, and now the counter wagon on AGar.

Tasky's worth susspecting and it's worth applying pressure for his replacement to find out if the the tactics continue. The only people who have posted less are werewolf, who's sorta infamous for it, and vezok, who is all but a confirmed VI regardless of which game he plays.

Unvote: Vote: Tasky

This isn't a 'SGR isn't scum' post, this is a 'hey guys, why aren't we looking at someone that's obviously not posting in the best interests of town?' post. Frankly, I

feel

that SGR is still worth a look, but frankly, Tasky's pretty damn suspicious.

[farside22]

*Looks pointedly at Ghostlin*

Why do I feel like people are completely ignoring me in this game and my questions.

[Jahudo]

MagnaofIllusion replaces Tasky, effective immediately. Thanks Magna!

MagnaofIllusion will be V/LA for a day or two.

[SGRaaize]

>MagnaofIllusion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPm_9YWR ... re=related

[Ghostlin]

I still want ghost to do what he said. Also why did you do an iso case on SGR and not check into Ani first?

Bluntly, I got distracted. I got into an argument with another player to the exclusion of all else, and that doesn't benefit town. (Case in point, I had to ISO you to find the question you mentioned.) That is one of my flaws as a player: I can fixated on something to the exclusion of something else, I've never been a brilliant muititasker. SGR has been so 'GHOST IS SCUM', I went into defensive mode and let that slip. I'm mentally readjusting myself to look at other reads.

Btw, a question I want to ask you that's ISO related: were you serious about your first vote in your ISO? Do you think that we should use the sacrifice mechanic as a PL means?

[AGar]

Well, anyone who hasn't played with MoI before, prepare for an absolute shift to the polar extreme in terms of posting style.

Wall-Of-Texts ahoy!

(Sup MoI).

I find it pretty odd that Ghostlin knows that werewolf doesn't post and vezok is known for VI-type play, but doesn't know Tasky's posting was par for the course, and votes Tasky for it. Selectiveness much?

[Ghostlin]

Well, anyone who hasn't played with MoI before, prepare for an absolute shift to the polar extreme in terms of posting style.

Wall-Of-Texts ahoy!

(Sup MoI).

I find it pretty odd that Ghostlin knows that werewolf doesn't post and vezok is known for VI-type play, but doesn't know Tasky's posting was par for the course, and votes Tasky for it. Selectiveness much?

This might surprise you, I've never played with Tasky. I just finished with a game with Werewolf and have played two with Vezok. So I acutally have experience with both of them.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

*adds GG to scum list*

Ahahahahaha. Faraday nailed it. We both agreed you were scummy as hell after 242, and he was like "hey let's vote Farside with no explanation so she can omgus us".
Sweet.

As to your attempted discretization of us as merely trying to state HEY LOOK WE'RE TOWN repeatedly, consider this.
You pointed this out

We would appreciate if those of you who saw fit to trust us with an elect vote

and this

Clearly the scum are everyone who choose to elect A Gaggle of Geese, since they are such obvscum.
/slightly pissed off post, considering that we're obvTOWN/

Let's expand that first quote, and get some context for the first quote, eh?

We would appreciate if those of you who saw fit to trust us with an elect vote would take the time to reread Farside's play this game and consider joining us in voting him.

Oh hey look we're asking people who have elected us [presumably (if not EXPLICITLY) in part because having a hydra backstage is good, because we are two heads who can bounce reads off of each other] to reread you BECAUSE we HAVE bounced reads off each other and both come to the agreement that you are the scummiest player in the game right now. Misrepresent much?

Now let's look at the second quote: It is post #142, in direct reply to Ythill #139, in which he says:

Finished rereading. Both Seacore and Llama have gained some actual cred, the former more so.

Scum (in order): Ghost, ani, wrath, Apok.
People of interest: GG, LL.
Town: vezo, SGR, Seacore, Llama, farside.

Our reads differed (and still do) greatly from Ythill's at this point, and pointing out that 3 of his 4 "Scum" were voting to elect us seemed to be the easiest way to communicate the point to him.

Again, you attempt to quote us out of context to discredit us.

Neither of us particularly enjoy/desire making long WoT cases, as they turn the game into "who can argue stuff better" competitions.
We stand behind our earlier request however, that anyone with faith in our reads as a hydra reread Farside.
Here are some nitpicked quotes, just for fun.

Someone has selective reading here.

We like irony. Who else likes irony?

ouch I'm so hurt that scum OGML unelected me.

Then, after we vote Farside, we have:

*adds GG to scum list*

This contrasts very

nicely

UN-NICELY LOL with:

If/when SGR flips scum, the following are his most likely buddies in order of likelihood:

AGar
Wrath
Locke

out of 3 people on this list 2 of him is due to defending SGR. This doesn't include behavoir or what anyone said. One thing. That's it. Nothing about how their playing, but because apparently in OGML's world all scum defend each other.
Give me a break.

So apparently it's not ok for OMGL to suspect that most of SGR's scumbuddies are defending him on an SGR scumflip, but it is ok for you suppose that everyone attacking you is scum.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Greetings everyone ... have 3 minutes to type up a quick post before going back to the endlist honey-do list that I get hit with every weekend.

Hola to everyone I know ... which is most of you.

I should be able to be fully caught up by Monday evening and have my thoughts posted.

Unvote
Unelect all elections

Haven't even had a chance to read the thread but I know I replaced Tasky and don't trust his judgement as far as I could throw a Buick.

[farside22]

Ahahahahaha. Faraday nailed it. We both agreed you were scummy as hell after 242, and he was like "hey let's vote Farside with no explanation so she can omgus us".
Sweet.

You know how this looks to me:
LOOK EVERYONE FAR MADE A POINT AGAINST ME THEREFORE SHE IS SCUM BECAUSE WE ARE OBV TOWN. Of course we are going to ignore that she had doubt in us first.

Oh hey look we're asking people who have elected us [presumably (if not EXPLICITLY) in part because having a hydra backstage is good, because we are two heads who can bounce reads off of each other] to reread you BECAUSE we HAVE bounced reads off each other and both come to the agreement that you are the scummiest player in the game right now. Misrepresent much?

One had nothing to do with the other. This statement also reads, hey we aren't going to explain why we find far scummy, but vote us backstage and we will tell you. IE: we have nothing now, but once we lynch far or anyone else, we can claim we thought we had something we didn't

This contrasts very nicely UN-NICELY LOL with:

Speaking of someone who snips things out. Nice of you to completely leave out my point on you, which is still holding true.

So apparently it's not ok for OMGL to suspect that most of SGR's scumbuddies are defending him on an SGR scumflip, but it is ok for you suppose that everyone attacking you is scum.

Really I suspect morph (not suspicious of me), OGML (before unelecting me didn't have suspicion on me), Ghost (doesn't have suspicion on me) and you (who doesn't have a case or leg to stand on).

Hey everyone who "trust" GG can you explain why you do since they aren't explain anything and so far hasn't made a case.
I pointed out your scum hunting suspects by the way, which are 2 people, with no case.
I don't see how two heads of an account have to be back stage when neither have presented a case.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

uh, yeah not going to try and bother convince scum they're scum. More farside votes please.

[farside22]

uh, yeah not going to try and bother convince scum they're scum. More farside votes please.

unvote:
vote: GG

Refusing to make a case is a scum tell. Ignoring everything I said and discounting the only point you made against me (saying I'm suspicious of those suspicious of me) which I know is not true is guaranteed scum making a fake case.

Awesome stuff. Me or you lynched then, because I refuse to be baited by someone who not only voted without a reason, but tried batting a second time with the look at farside BS.
Let me ask you GG: How many baits were you willing to put out there? How many times are you going to bait a player before they are allowed to respond to false scum hunting?

[Saint]

support: ythill

[A Gaggle of Geese]

support: ythill

Illuminating as usual! What a wonder it is to have you in this game, Saint!

[chesskid3]

Me or you lynched then

Your funeral.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

Me or you lynched then

Your funeral.

@mod: can you zap that last post, please? Posted out of hydra by accident

I can only delete my own posts. -Mod

[A Gaggle of Geese]

Refusing to make a case is a scum tell.

Excuse me?

[Saint]

SGR: Fine, we get that you think Ythill is town now. I still haven't really got a straight answer out of you over whether you thought the WC attack was scummy - and that's not at the present moment, I mean earlier in the game when you spent ages talking about how it made no sense to you.

OhGodMyLife is tunneling, and trying to set up chain lynches, while not actually scumhunting whatsoever
Even though there are some wall posts I need to take the time to read *looks at Ghostlin*,

I doubt they will make me change my vote.

I would be happy voting SGR, but I like this wagon more:

vote: OGML

How can you make this assertion when you haven't read everything? This implies your reads are disingenuous. Your indication of readiness to drop your suspicion if Ythill comes up with something on OGML is also scummy.

AGar: what exactly do you think was wrong with Ani's logic about WC? As far as I can see, that's a pretty accurate description of what he was doing.

I'm caught up, and I'm still happy with my vote. How is that scummy? I'm not scum, direct me to my scumteam please, because if I have one, they left me out of the loop!
lol

@SGR:

Brevity please.

@far:

Okay, dropping the subject but since you can't (or won't) explain it, I'm logging it as a tell.

@Saint:

I don't explain my town tells. Besides, I'd already decided to see what comes of an OGML wagon after we got a VC, so I like your vote right where it is.

UNVOTE: Ghost
VOTE: OGML
Zoooooooooooom.

lol
ok
This is why I supported you, for the record. The reason is, because, even if he "had a towntell", you are ready to lynch him. This makes me believe you were doing this as a reactionary test. You must have been happy with the way I reacted, if it was a bait and switch. Perhaps I am reading too much into this. Do you share your scumreads?
Who else do you see as being a likely scumteam with OGML? I haven't really picked up on too many associative tells.

Guys, first off, tunnel vision isn't even scummy because its never been a bad thing to try to get the person you're sure is scum lynched, and second I haven't been exhibiting tunnel vision simply because I haven't voted for anyone else. Third, again, its not setting up chain lynches when what I've said is conditional. If scum then scum is the only relation I've posited. Its not like if he flips town I'll go durrr ok well I thought AGar was his scumbuddy so he must still be scum

I disagree
I feel you have been both tunneling, and setting up chainlynches. Do you want me to quote you? It's fairly obvious that's what you were doing, and it is scummy.

-cut-
3) AtE: In one post he pretty much calls town doomed if they vote for the reasons they're voting for him. In another post, he throws in the towel (with a mea culpa).
-cut-

I agree with your point 3.
However, I feel like SGR has been providing an adequate defense. He might be town after all!

uh, yeah not going to try and bother convince scum they're scum. More farside votes please.

unvote:
vote: GG

Refusing to make a case is a scum tell. Ignoring everything I said and discounting the only point you made against me (saying I'm suspicious of those suspicious of me) which I know is not true is guaranteed scum making a fake case.

Awesome stuff. Me or you lynched then, because I refuse to be baited by someone who not only voted without a reason, but tried batting a second time with the look at farside BS.
Let me ask you GG: How many baits were you willing to put out there? How many times are you going to bait a player before they are allowed to respond to false scum hunting?

Farside, you and I really appear to be on the same page this game. I was about to make a case on GG for being OGML's scumbuddy, but you just did it for me!

If you'll look on the last page, with OGML supporting GG and unsupporting you, into GG basically chainsaw defending OGML with their vote, I am very suspicious of them both for being a part of a scumteam.

I'm happy with either of these lynches, but Geese seems like they will be more dangerous if left alive.

unvote: OGML

Vote: A Gaggle of Geese